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Offline JustJeff  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:44:31 AM(UTC)
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Mathieu has reportedly been working hard waiting for another chance. That hard work didn't happen in the weight room. He managed only 4 reps on the bench.

No one was interested in Tim Masthay's bench prowess and he managed twice that.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:52:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JustJeff Go to Quoted Post
Mathieu has reportedly been working hard waiting for another chance. That hard work didn't happen in the weight room. He managed only 4 reps on the bench.

No one was interested in Tim Masthay's bench prowess and he managed twice that.


Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:14:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.

Exactly. He's (allegedly)5-9 & 185, and that lack of upper body strength? Bigger receivers would throw him around like a rag doll. You can't ask him to play press at all and off-man is a risk.

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#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:19:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.


If he goes undrafted that is a HUGE advantage for us.

Agents know that undrafted free agents have a LEGIT chance with our team, not only to come in and compete, but to be coach up by some people who have been successful in taking guys off the street and turning them into starters.

Maybe he's not ready his first year. But Darren Perry is gonna have him ready in year too.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:25:11 PM(UTC)
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The guy hasn't played in a fucking year and he only manages 4 reps? I'm going to assume he spent none of that time in the gym. Why would we consider getting the guy when he obviously has 0 work ethic?
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:47:20 PM(UTC)
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The guy hasn't played in a fucking year and he only manages 4 reps? I'm going to assume he spent none of that time in the gym. Why would we consider getting the guy when he obviously has 0 work ethic?


Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:55:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


If a fat, out of shape teenager like I was could do about 15 reps at 120lbs at 5'10" after 3 months of "weight training" in gym, I'd think that someone that wants to be a professional football player could manage to do more than 4 reps at 225lbs. 225lbs is a fair amount of weight (imagine bench pressing your average american holding a couple gallons of milk), but considering what the job is and his position, you've got to do a lot better than that.
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:59:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


For context.. my sophomore year in High School I was hitting mid teens in reps of 225 with a max around 375. And I was not a gym rat due to my requirements on the farm.. although that was at times like extra gym time.

I remember hitting some of the high school camps with backs and receivers in High School beating my reps easily. I remember this because I was not going to go back and have some back being able to out bench me... lol.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#34 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:46:42 PM(UTC)
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We need Safteys more than CBs imo. Well it's pretty apparent. Jennings, McMillian, and Burnett won't cut it. Obviously Burnett will start one of the safety positions. But I like him at SS more than FS. There's so much talent in this Saftey class.

Only Saftey that is possible of getting in the first round is Kenny Vaccaro from Texas. I think we only get him if we trade up. But the guy is a great player. And will fill that void left by Woodson. I wouldn't mind trading up for him.

We could get Eric Reid in the 2nd round. The guy is tall with length.

In the third round there is Bacardi Rambo and Shawn Williams two pretty good Safteys from Georgia. Shawn Williams intrigues me from his tape. Also he had 25 reps on the bench press and ran a 4.46 40.

In the 4th a guy I really like is T.J McDonald from USC. Big guy 6-2 almost 220 pounds.

We need faster stronger guys on this defense. Adding a Saftey from this draft with those tangibles makes more sense.

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#35 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:00:20 PM(UTC)
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My thinking would be this on Matieu, hence the late round gamble.

His short term contribution would be limited to the return game protecting us from Cobb being back there.

Long term, try and develop him as a complete player and gives us a option going forward if Williams performance slips more as his salary next season hits 9.5 million against the cap.

We don't need a corner today, but this option gives you a player of need in the special teams that may also help bridge a hole in the near future.

We have Shields, Hayward and possibly House beyond Williams.. that means we could have a depth need in 2014 to be filled.

To me.. this would be a gamble worth it in a later round. If he tanks.. so be it. But maybe we hit on it and have another player with great instincts.

I would not commit a 4th or less on him.. the risk / reward at that point just seems to great.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#36 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:37:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


Tavon Austin did 14 reps and a punter and kicker did 11 and 13
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:55:13 PM(UTC)
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Combine Numbers mean nothing to me. Unless a WR, LB or DB runs slow. Linemen its absolutely useless to run a 40.. But then again Brandon You never know if these guys even care for the combine either. Maybe they'll try harder in different events. Only the drills in the combine should really contribute to their draft stock. Not the 40 or bench press.

Now what's to say about Tyrann Mathieu. hmm well first thing to come to mind is he is 5'9''. More of a nickel corner at the next level. I just don't see him fitting in our scheme. Plus he missed a whole 2012 season.. He's not worth picking up.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:47:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
We need Safteys more than CBs imo. Well it's pretty apparent. Jennings, McMillian, and Burnett won't cut it. Obviously Burnett will start one of the safety positions. But I like him at SS more than FS. There's so much talent in this Saftey class.

Only Saftey that is possible of getting in the first round is Kenny Vaccaro from Texas. I think we only get him if we trade up. But the guy is a great player. And will fill that void left by Woodson. I wouldn't mind trading up for him.

We could get Eric Reid in the 2nd round. The guy is tall with length.

In the third round there is Bacardi Rambo and Shawn Williams two pretty good Safteys from Georgia. Shawn Williams intrigues me from his tape. Also he had 25 reps on the bench press and ran a 4.46 40.

In the 4th a guy I really like is T.J McDonald from USC. Big guy 6-2 almost 220 pounds.

We need faster stronger guys on this defense. Adding a Saftey from this draft with those tangibles makes more sense.



McMillian can play, he just needs to develop.

Wouldn't mind some depth though.
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#39 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:39:20 AM(UTC)
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I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


A comparative for you.. last years CB's at the combine benched an average of 15.72 times.


Additional stats from last years class: (averages of those that participated in each event)

Average 40 : 4.57
Vertical : 34.55 in
Broad Jump: 119.17 in
Shuttle : 4.12
3 Cone: 6.88


Comparing that to Casey Hayward's combine.

Height: 71 inches (5'11")
BP: 19 times
40: 4.57 seconds
Vert: 34
Broad: 119
Shuttle: 3.9
3 Cone: 6.76

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I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#40 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:43:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
A comparative for you.. last years CB's at the combine benched an average of 15.72 times.


Additional stats from last years class: (averages of those that participated in each event)

Average 40 : 4.57
Vertical : 34.55 in
Broad Jump: 119.17 in
Shuttle : 4.12
3 Cone: 6.88


Comparing that to Casey Hayward's combine.

Height: 71 inches (5'11")
BP: 19 times
40: 4.57 seconds
Vert: 119
Broad: 119

Shuttle: 3.9
3 Cone: 6.76



wow. He can jump as high as he can jump far.

try 34.0
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#41 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:09:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
wow. He can jump as high as he can jump far.

try 34.0


Yeah.... lol.. typo as I am compiling. BTW thanks for the combine link.
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#42 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:29:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
A comparative for you.. last years CB's at the combine benched an average of 15.72 times.


Additional stats from last years class: (averages of those that participated in each event)

Average 40 : 4.57
Vertical : 34.55 in
Broad Jump: 119.17 in
Shuttle : 4.12
3 Cone: 6.88


Comparing that to Casey Hayward's combine.

Height: 71 inches (5'11")
BP: 19 times
40: 4.57 seconds
Vert: 34
Broad: 119
Shuttle: 3.9
3 Cone: 6.76


Maybe his biorhythmns were down that day. lol
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:32:29 PM(UTC)
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I forgot that how many times you rep 225 on bench determines the kind of football player you are... Laughing
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:37:52 PM(UTC)
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I forgot that how many times you rep 225 on bench determines the kind of football player you are... Laughing


Agreed completely.. but in a case like this, a kid looking for redemption and a ticket to potential millions.. showing up and only hitting a low number on one of the core events is going to raise more questions than anything.

He would have been better served passing on the event/test, even though that might have drawn criticism as well.
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#45 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:51:22 PM(UTC)
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I forgot that how many times you rep 225 on bench determines the kind of football player you are... Laughing


It doesn't but if someone can only do 3-4 that is an indicator of their strength. It means a WR won't get separation from a defender. A RB may be brought down with an arm tackle. The carrier can be stripped of the ball.

On the defense, a big strong wr can push you off like Jeffery did to Shields. Of course there is the linemen factor (both O and D.) They have to be able to move a Cadillac (with the parking brake set.) if they want to play with the big boys.
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#46 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:57:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Agreed completely.. but in a case like this, a kid looking for redemption and a ticket to potential millions.. showing up and only hitting a low number on one of the core events is going to raise more questions than anything.

He would have been better served passing on the event/test, even though that might have drawn criticism as well.


True. Everything that I have read about his combine performance (minus the bench press) has his stock rising. He excelled in everything but the bench press. It would be nice to see if there was any information on how he lifted in college when he played because I have a suspicion that the 1 year layoff has nothing to do with the lack of his bench press numbers.

The one year layoff and his off field actions are the biggest concerns, not his bench press.

Btw, I don't disagree that four is an awful number. He would have been better off just skipping the test.

I feel that bench press numbers are usually all over the board throughout different positions. Some of the better offensive linemen sometimes only hit the teens on the bench press, but they still excel on the field.

I'm a combine junky but some tests have to be taken with a grain of salt. Sometimes I wish they added a squat test to the combine. How many times can a player properly squat 225 pounds?
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#47 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:21:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
True. Everything that I have read about his combine performance (minus the bench press) has his stock rising. He excelled in everything but the bench press. It would be nice to see if there was any information on how he lifted in college when he played because I have a suspicion that the 1 year layoff has nothing to do with the lack of his bench press numbers.

The one year layoff and his off field actions are the biggest concerns, not his bench press.

Btw, I don't disagree that four is an awful number. He would have been better off just skipping the test.

I feel that bench press numbers are usually all over the board throughout different positions. Some of the better offensive linemen sometimes only hit the teens on the bench press, but they still excel on the field.

I'm a combine junky but some tests have to be taken with a grain of salt. Sometimes I wish they added a squat test to the combine. How many times can a player properly squat 225 pounds?



I have to wonder if the whole combine test is a waste of time or not.
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#48 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:27:41 PM(UTC)
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The one year layoff and his off field actions are the biggest concerns, not his bench press.



But the bench press is a product of work ethic in the weight room.. you get more out of it the more you invest.

What that number tells me, in this case anyway, that he has been out of the program for a year leaving him to continue to workout on his own. That number tells me he isn't putting in the time in the weight room.. either than or he truly lacks strength, upper body strength at that.

Why is the important.. at the NFL level there is increased contact in the 5 yard zone with stronger elite athletes week in and out at receiver. If he lacks the upper body strength to compete with them, that is going to limit the ways I can use him in coverage. But that can be fixed.. so I agree it is limited because in a NFL program you should be able to rectify that with training.

So it goes back to really how hard is he willing to work off the field to get on the field. That is what that number tells me with this case.

I am not a consumer of combine numbers.. I think how they perform on the field greatly outweighs the underwear Olympics.. but in the same regard, some potential red flags can be raised which will require a team to do more homework on a prospect.

Now couple a couple of questions together with a red flag or two at the combine.. and you will have teams the will remove him from their draft board or push him down the board at least.

My opinion.. this kid is sitting their say round 6.. I say I take him. I think his football instincts are noticeable on the field and film.. pop even.

The reason I note his bench press, is I think it may help push him further down the draft board to where for me.. the risk / reward aspect swings in line and I pick him. Not that he will not or can not become a player.


I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#49 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
But the bench press is a product of work ethic in the weight room.. you get more out of it the more you invest.

What that number tells me, in this case anyway, that he has been out of the program for a year leaving him to continue to workout on his own. That number tells me he isn't putting in the time in the weight room.. either than or he truly lacks strength, upper body strength at that.

Why is the important.. at the NFL level there is increased contact in the 5 yard zone with stronger elite athletes week in and out at receiver. If he lacks the upper body strength to compete with them, that is going to limit the ways I can use him in coverage. But that can be fixed.. so I agree it is limited because in a NFL program you should be able to rectify that with training.

So it goes back to really how hard is he willing to work off the field to get on the field. That is what that number tells me with this case.

I am not a consumer of combine numbers.. I think how they perform on the field greatly outweighs the underwear Olympics.. but in the same regard, some potential red flags can be raised which will require a team to do more homework on a prospect.

Now couple a couple of questions together with a red flag or two at the combine.. and you will have teams the will remove him from their draft board or push him down the board at least.

My opinion.. this kid is sitting their say round 6.. I say I take him. I think his football instincts are noticeable on the field and film.. pop even.

The reason I note his bench press, is I think it may help push him further down the draft board to where for me.. the risk / reward aspect swings in line and I pick him. Not that he will not or can not become a player.




I totally agree with you and what you said does make sense. However, I really do not think he will be there round 6. If he is, then I am on board with you in taking him. I just think everything else he did in the draft "popped" and it is being said it can elevate his draft value. I'm wondering if he got into a school's pro day. I would like to see his testing done there to see if anything changes from now to then.

I see a team taking him at the earliest, 5th round. Maybe even a real desperate team late in the 4th.

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“I quit counting at 10,” Mathieu answered. “I really don’t know.”

The assistant who passed along that story also told USA Today that Mathieu’s statement had him questioning LSU as much as he questions Mathieu.

“If he flunked 10 tests before they suspended him, it shows that he got no kind of help,” the coach said.





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