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Offline nerdmann  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:15:42 PM(UTC)
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Given his size and aggressiveness, he'd probably be a vintage slot guy. Stuffing the run, attacking the QB covering WRs and going for the strip.
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Offline JustJeff  
#22 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:05:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
We traded Tony Moll for Martin, just to get something. Turned out to be quite the STs player. I don't think anyone every expected him to really play a whole lot of CB.


Martin was a safety. My point was Wolf and Thompson don't like short corners. They were both okay dipping below 5' 11" for safeties, but not CB's.

Derrick Martin was the only one I recalled off the top of my head, and I remembered he was a safety.

Here are all of the sub 5' 11" defensive backs to whom Teddy Ballgame has given a roster slot.

S Marviel Underwood 5' 10" Drafted round 4 - 2005 (spent three years with us appearing in 16 games)

CB Therrian Fontenot 5' 10" Free Agent - 2005 (late season addition appeared in 1 game & was traded)

CB Frank Walker 5' 10" Free Agent - 2007 (spent one season with us appearing in 12 games)

CB Joe Porter 5' 10" Free Agent - 2008 (late season addition - four weeks on the roster - appeared in 1 game)

S Derrick Martin 5' 10" Trade (spent two full seasons with us appearing in 19 games)

The only guys who got any serious time from scrimmage were Walker whose combine height was 5106 (5' 10.75") and the safeties.

Thompson is okay with shorter safeties, but rarely looks at shorter corners.

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:53:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Why do you say that? I'm just curious. I don't have any kind of monster desire for him to be a Packers player, but if they see he is right for the team, and he's there at a decent place to take that chance...


He has discipline issues. He's most likely of the mindset that once on an NFL team things will be different. He's going to realize being on an NFL team is going to require more self discipline. Something he's shown he has little to none of. I'd say after he gets cut from his first team, that'll be the wake up call that he'll need to improve. Something like Cris Carter.
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Offline PackerTraxx  
#24 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:05:24 AM(UTC)
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If Ted Thompson felt good about his interview I would have no problem drafting him in the 6th or 7th. I would feel much better if Woody was still here to mentor him. I'd prefer a couple of 6' - 6'2" CBs but don't pass on talent if the head matches the body.
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Offline play2win  
#25 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:54:51 AM(UTC)
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I will say this, it doesn't follow a line of getting bigger, faster players. In playing the Giants, the 49ers, the Seahawks, I came away thinking we must get bigger, faster, more athletic, across the board.
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Offline JustJeff  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:44:31 AM(UTC)
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Mathieu has reportedly been working hard waiting for another chance. That hard work didn't happen in the weight room. He managed only 4 reps on the bench.

No one was interested in Tim Masthay's bench prowess and he managed twice that.
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Offline Pack93z  
#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:52:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JustJeff Go to Quoted Post
Mathieu has reportedly been working hard waiting for another chance. That hard work didn't happen in the weight room. He managed only 4 reps on the bench.

No one was interested in Tim Masthay's bench prowess and he managed twice that.


Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline JustJeff  
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:14:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.

Exactly. He's (allegedly)5-9 & 185, and that lack of upper body strength? Bigger receivers would throw him around like a rag doll. You can't ask him to play press at all and off-man is a risk.

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Offline nerdmann  
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:19:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.


If he goes undrafted that is a HUGE advantage for us.

Agents know that undrafted free agents have a LEGIT chance with our team, not only to come in and compete, but to be coach up by some people who have been successful in taking guys off the street and turning them into starters.

Maybe he's not ready his first year. But Darren Perry is gonna have him ready in year too.
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Offline gbguy20  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:25:11 PM(UTC)
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The guy hasn't played in a fucking year and he only manages 4 reps? I'm going to assume he spent none of that time in the gym. Why would we consider getting the guy when he obviously has 0 work ethic?
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