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Offline JustJeff  
#31 Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:41:19 AM(UTC)

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Apparently The Commish thought he was being an asshole. Can't say I disagree.


What?

Let's think for a minute... Jolly had a real problem with codeine addiction. He failed multiple drug tests and ultimately landed in jail.

Apparently the commissioner wanted Jolly to pass some drug tests as a free man.

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#32 Posted : Friday, March 1, 2013 12:06:55 PM(UTC)

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I just miss his 11-12 Pass deflections in 2009. Jolly swat!
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#33 Posted : Friday, March 1, 2013 12:24:28 PM(UTC)

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Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
I just miss his 11-12 Pass deflections in 2009. Jolly swat!


I'd be really surprised to see him back as he was in 2009. Let's not forget our scheme has changed & the game's changing as well. Revolving a lot on speed now!
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#34 Posted : Friday, March 1, 2013 4:51:47 PM(UTC)

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shield4life said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd be really surprised to see him back as he was in 2009. Let's not forget our scheme has changed & the game's changing as well. Revolving a lot on speed now!



The speed shouldnt be thatmuch of a factor considering there are still plenty of guys from 09 still in the league haha. Not like the game of football has totally changed since he last played. Yes we have the advent of the read-option in the NFL, but what would a guy like Jolly do in our defense other than take up some blockers and try to penetrate into the backfield occasionally? It's not like we're going to rely on him to stretch a play out and chase down a Runningback from a two point stance. If he's in any form of shape I think we need to give him a shot as a camp body at the very least. We know he's got the talent, lets see if he can wash off the rust and make something out of it. If he cant then we cut him and no harm done. I could see this being a very Koren Robinson esq. move, very low risk with some decent payback.


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#35 Posted : Friday, March 1, 2013 4:55:01 PM(UTC)

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Everybody is always down on Pickett and CJ Wilson because they don't bring much pass rush but are excited about Jolly who never brought much pass rush.
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#36 Posted : Friday, March 1, 2013 7:51:38 PM(UTC)

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Oh ya that guy won't be the same for 2 years if he returns on a team. But you never know, you work out so much in prison and he probably lost a lot of weight. I believe in 2nd chances. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the team in Training camp as a backup. If we gave Justin Harrell so many chances, we can give this guy one.
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#37 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 5:41:26 AM(UTC)

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Everybody is always down on Pickett and CJ Wilson because they don't bring much pass rush but are excited about Jolly who never brought much pass rush.

Jolly's game is different than anyone on our current D-line. The guy is the prototypical power pig, pure, brute strenth. He may not have gotten a lot of sacks, but he brought a LOT of pressure. The ball came out quicker because his man was going into the QB's lap. Gaycandybacon mentioned Jolly's knack for pass deflections, that wasn't coincidence. It was because he was in the quarterback's grill.

Jolly's power isn't because he's a gym rat. His game wasn't built in the weight room. He's a naturally powerful man. If he can be in football shape by the end of camp, he will likely be back where he was.

As for the idea that the scheme has changed - sorry - Jolly was starting in Dom's 3-4 the last time we saw him. He's perfect for the power DE in our scheme.

A lot of people on this forum keep referring to speed when talking D-line. I don't understand that at all. How fast do you want your big guys to run? You want speed at Linebacker, but if you're expecting guys who weigh between 315 and 350 to run fast, you're asking for something that simply doesn't exist.

Jolly doesn't make a penny if he doesn't make the team. His $2.5 million tender (if not regegotiated) is 2% of the cap. That's small money for a starter, which I would expect from him if he makes the team.


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#38 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:21:58 AM(UTC)

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JustJeff said: Go to Quoted Post
A lot of people on this forum keep referring to speed when talking D-line. I don't understand that at all. How fast do you want your big guys to run? You want speed at Linebacker, but if you're expecting guys who weigh between 315 and 350 to run fast, you're asking for something that simply doesn't exist.


I think if you watch this video, it might help understand why some folks are frenzied over the speed factor, - link. This is their expectation of a defensive lineman.
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#39 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:30:33 AM(UTC)

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JustJeff said: Go to Quoted Post
Jolly's game is different than anyone on our current D-line. The guy is the prototypical power pig, pure, brute strenth. He may not have gotten a lot of sacks, but he brought a LOT of pressure. The ball came out quicker because his man was going into the QB's lap. Gaycandybacon mentioned Jolly's knack for pass deflections, that wasn't coincidence. It was because he was in the quarterback's grill.

Jolly's power isn't because he's a gym rat. His game wasn't built in the weight room. He's a naturally powerful man. If he can be in football shape by the end of camp, he will likely be back where he was.

As for the idea that the scheme has changed - sorry - Jolly was starting in Dom's 3-4 the last time we saw him. He's perfect for the power DE in our scheme.

A lot of people on this forum keep referring to speed when talking D-line. I don't understand that at all. How fast do you want your big guys to run? You want speed at Linebacker, but if you're expecting guys who weigh between 315 and 350 to run fast, you're asking for something that simply doesn't exist.

Jolly doesn't make a penny if he doesn't make the team. His $2.5 million tender (if not regegotiated) is 2% of the cap. That's small money for a starter, which I would expect from him if he makes the team.




That is basically a bunch of bull. Jolly was a run stopper he brought hardly any pressure at all.
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#40 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:49:28 AM(UTC)

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Jolly had 12 pressures in his last season. The next year Jarius Wynn had 10, and everyone hated Wynn for his lack of pass rushing ability. Don't get me wrong Jolly in 2009 form would be overall the best or 2nd best lineman on the team but that doesn't mean we'd suddenly get a great pass rush from the interior.
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#41 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:38:11 AM(UTC)

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Isn't the issue right now whether or not the Packers bring Jolly to camp? The rest of it will work itself out. Nobody is going to just hand Jolly the starting job. If he starts and/or plays a lot of snaps, it will be because he earned them.

So the question right now among us is whether or not we feel Jolly is worthy of coming back. I'm not a big "Packer People" supporter because I believe everyone deserves second, third, fourth, or however many chances they need. None of us are water walkers, and since our Dline needs some changes - Jolly just might ge a Godsend right now. I hope he busted his ass to stay in shape, and I hope he is given the chance to succeed again.
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#42 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:32:32 AM(UTC)

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Maybe he'll be fresh, from not taking a pounding the last three years. lol
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#43 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:43:17 AM(UTC)

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The Packers need help on the DL so they should at least bring him in for a look.
Preferabally before the draft if that's possible.
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#44 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 12:45:14 PM(UTC)

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steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Jolly had 12 pressures in his last season. The next year Jarius Wynn had 10, and everyone hated Wynn for his lack of pass rushing ability. Don't get me wrong Jolly in 2009 form would be overall the best or 2nd best lineman on the team but that doesn't mean we'd suddenly get a great pass rush from the interior.

"Pressures" as a stat is a very subjective stat. So... ten blocked passes in 12 pressures?

Zero, There's no doubt that Mike Daniels has speed, but there's a reason we only use him as a three-technique under in the nickel.

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#45 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:14:57 PM(UTC)

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"Pressures" as a stat is a very subjective stat. So... ten blocked passes in 12 pressures?

Zero, There's no doubt that Mike Daniels has speed, but there's a reason we only use him as a three-technique under in the nickel.



You can get blown a yard backward off the line and still knock down a pass that doesn't mean you got pressure on the QB. Sure pressures is somewhat subjective but I think it's safe to say that if someone is charting your pass rushes and comes away with 12 then you didn't get much pressure whether that's the exact number or not. It's also safe to say that when Jolly was playing he most certainly did not get "a lot" of pressure on the QB.
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