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Offline macbob  
#11 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:13:09 PM(UTC)
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It may be going against trend, but I liked AJ's performance this year. He's a bit lumbering/a bit of a liability in pass coverage and had no turnovers, but was quicker this year and was more of a force behind the line of scrimmage.

That said, I don't think he's worth anywhere near that kind of money and hope he'd be receptive to renegotiating his contract. If he's not willing to take enough of a reduction, then time for a change.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:57:32 PM(UTC)
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AJ Hawk was solid and steady for GB this last season. As a matter of fact, he was a bit quicker. We could see that. He did a decent job of setting the D. I think his shortcomings are in coverage, blitzing the QB, and in getting tackles at the line of scrimmage or behind it. He improved in that last category last year, but I do think his salary requires better production. Many of his tackles were in persuit, after yardage was gained.

More importantly, I don't think he is the type of player opponents have to specifically game plan for. That's not good. Granted, not every player can be that good on your defense. But, at that salary, he should be one of the best players at his position in the NFL. I don't think he ranks I the top 50 LBs. That being the case, it should be addressed. Restructure or release. Keeping him at current salary is severely overpaying.

Bishop may require a restructured deal too. Jones doesn't really appear to be a real answer at ILB, but he showed better than I expected. Smith shouldn't be counted on. I like Moses and Manning seems to have some promise. It will be interesting to see how we improve this group.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:17:32 AM(UTC)
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Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Here is what Hawk has left on is contract:

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Each of the 1.6m (4.8M) part of his carried signing bonus will have to be accounted for against the cap, I am assuming the article is assuming that they will push that hit out until next season. The roster bonuses that have not paid out will not have to be absorbed.

Packers track record is not to push issues into the future.. so I don't see them, if they cut ties with Hawk to do so and have impact on future years cap number. Especially where they will have larger cap numbers for Rodgers & Matthews and will still be looking to field a competitive team.



Thanks Pack93z, thought that 4.8 mil # sounded right.

The Packers would be foolish to release A.J. Hawk.

Sorry to all you who think Hawk is overpaid, looks like he will be around at least 1 more year.

Haven't heard anything about The Packers actually approaching him and his agent about restructuring, when and if that time comes is the time to judge A.J Hawk.

He has always done anything The Packers have asked, so let's just wait and see what his reaction will be instead of speculating.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:02:37 AM(UTC)
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Sorry to all you who think Hawk is overpaid, looks like he will be around at least 1 more year.


He has always done anything The Packers have asked, so let's just wait and see what his reaction will be instead of speculating.


Do you understand the concept of fans being disappointed in a player versus fans hating a player?

The Packer's defensive coaches keep asking him to cover TE's down the seams of the field, but he can't get that right, now can he Buckeye?

AJ has leverage this season, but he would be wise to restructure to ensure he stays a Packer for longer than this season.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:39:46 AM(UTC)
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I'm all for keeping Hawk on this team. But I would love for someone new to come in along with Jones/Smith/Manning backing up Hawk and Bishop. Right now Jones and Bishop are probably the most gifted athletes along the MLB's. We definitely need speed along those LB's as well. Hawk is probably seeing the way of Donald Driver. No not retiring.. But maybe being demoted and off the team in a years time. Never know though, maybe they're fine with the ILB's they have now.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:03:11 AM(UTC)
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you understand the concept of fans being disappointed in a player versus fans hating a player?

The Packer's defensive coaches keep asking him to cover TE's down the seams of the field, but he can't get that right, now can he Buckeye?

AJ has leverage this season, but he would be wise to restructure to ensure he stays a Packer for longer than this season.


Where has it been written the coaches keep asking him to cover TE's down the seam?
Are you now in the player/coaches meetings?

Hell take a look back at last year, Hawk wasn't on the field that much on passing downs.

There was a whole article written how The coaching staff did not want to burn out players, hoping to give EVERY player a break, the problem that has occured the last 3 years at the LB position is that A.J Hawk seems to be the only one who can stay healthy.

A.J Hawk could have been rated the best lb in the NFL over his career and you would find something to "BE DISSAPOINTED" about.

Just because he was a 1st rnd pick.

Stop with your bullshit "spins" and just admit no matter how he plays, he will never live up to your "expectations".

I say it every year, I hope one of these young guys "full of potential" will unseat A.J. Hawk, then he can leave Green Bay and go play elsewhere.

Bottom line, the article posted in this thread is just all "skeptisism", until Ted actually meets with Hawk and his agent, nobody knows what they will decide.

2012 A.J, Hawk was paid 6.54 mil, played every game
2012 D. Bissop was paid 4.25 mil, played 5 ...6 games?

Which player earned their contract min 2012????

Why are you not all over Bishop for being overpaid????
Why are you not all over bishop for not "playing up to his potential?"
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#17 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:30:05 AM(UTC)
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Stop with your bullshit "spins" and just admit no matter how he plays, he will never live up to your "expectations".



Yet you're positive you know what everybody thinks with regards to Hawk. RollEyes Take off your The Ohio State goggles off and get reasonable. I root for Hawk, hell I have a Hawk jersey - but when he's getting torched in coverage I get a little upset because I know what he's getting paid.

If you can't follow rationale, then I guess we don't have anything else to talk about concerning AJ. Just don't insult other Packer fans on the issue because your little feelings get hurt when he's criticized.
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I get a little upset because I know what he's getting paid.


That is the problem with players having their salaries public knowledge. It removes all bias. I'd prefer to be ignorant of the salaries, meaning no matter how hard one were to look, it wouldn't be discovered.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:01:44 AM(UTC)
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Yet you're positive you know what everybody thinks with regards to Hawk. RollEyes Take off your The Ohio State goggles off and get reasonable. I root for Hawk, hell I have a Hawk jersey - but when he's getting torched in coverage I get a little upset because I know what he's getting paid.

If you can't follow rationale, then I guess we don't have anything else to talk about concerning AJ. Just don't insult other Packer fans on the issue because your little feelings get hurt when he's criticized.


What you don't understand is this, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHERE ANY PACKER PLAYER WENT TO COLLEGE!!!!!

I root for ANYONE who is on the field, I don't have my favorites, or guys who don't "live up to my expectations"

When are you going to figure it out?

Nobody is perfect, EVERYBODY gets beat now and then, doesn't matter how much they get paid.

You ARE NOT THE GM, you don't determine the worth of a player.
you ARE NOT THE HC,you don't determine how much playing time a player gets.

How many times in the past 3 years has A.J. Hawk been as you say "torched" over the middle?

I am betting less than 5, yet EVERY one of those plays ended up with a new thread being created on this forum, and you NEVER let a chance go by to let it be known how you feel.

I'm sorry you get bothered by how much any player gets paid, that's Ted Thompsons job.

Which playere earned their contract last year????

Hawk or Bishop????
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#20 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:01:32 PM(UTC)
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That is the problem with players having their salaries public knowledge. It removes all bias. I'd prefer to be ignorant of the salaries, meaning no matter how hard one were to look, it wouldn't be discovered.


That's cause you're not an owner like Gunny and me. [grin1]
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