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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#16 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:03:11 AM(UTC)

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Do you understand the concept of fans being disappointed in a player versus fans hating a player?

The Packer's defensive coaches keep asking him to cover TE's down the seams of the field, but he can't get that right, now can he Buckeye?

AJ has leverage this season, but he would be wise to restructure to ensure he stays a Packer for longer than this season.


Where has it been written the coaches keep asking him to cover TE's down the seam?
Are you now in the player/coaches meetings?

Hell take a look back at last year, Hawk wasn't on the field that much on passing downs.

There was a whole article written how The coaching staff did not want to burn out players, hoping to give EVERY player a break, the problem that has occured the last 3 years at the LB position is that A.J Hawk seems to be the only one who can stay healthy.

A.J Hawk could have been rated the best lb in the NFL over his career and you would find something to "BE DISSAPOINTED" about.

Just because he was a 1st rnd pick.

Stop with your bullshit "spins" and just admit no matter how he plays, he will never live up to your "expectations".

I say it every year, I hope one of these young guys "full of potential" will unseat A.J. Hawk, then he can leave Green Bay and go play elsewhere.

Bottom line, the article posted in this thread is just all "skeptisism", until Ted actually meets with Hawk and his agent, nobody knows what they will decide.

2012 A.J, Hawk was paid 6.54 mil, played every game
2012 D. Bissop was paid 4.25 mil, played 5 ...6 games?

Which player earned their contract min 2012????

Why are you not all over Bishop for being overpaid????
Why are you not all over bishop for not "playing up to his potential?"
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#17 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:30:05 AM(UTC)

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Stop with your bullshit "spins" and just admit no matter how he plays, he will never live up to your "expectations".



Yet you're positive you know what everybody thinks with regards to Hawk. RollEyes Take off your The Ohio State goggles off and get reasonable. I root for Hawk, hell I have a Hawk jersey - but when he's getting torched in coverage I get a little upset because I know what he's getting paid.

If you can't follow rationale, then I guess we don't have anything else to talk about concerning AJ. Just don't insult other Packer fans on the issue because your little feelings get hurt when he's criticized.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:31:36 AM(UTC)

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I get a little upset because I know what he's getting paid.


That is the problem with players having their salaries public knowledge. It removes all bias. I'd prefer to be ignorant of the salaries, meaning no matter how hard one were to look, it wouldn't be discovered.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:01:44 AM(UTC)

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Yet you're positive you know what everybody thinks with regards to Hawk. RollEyes Take off your The Ohio State goggles off and get reasonable. I root for Hawk, hell I have a Hawk jersey - but when he's getting torched in coverage I get a little upset because I know what he's getting paid.

If you can't follow rationale, then I guess we don't have anything else to talk about concerning AJ. Just don't insult other Packer fans on the issue because your little feelings get hurt when he's criticized.


What you don't understand is this, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHERE ANY PACKER PLAYER WENT TO COLLEGE!!!!!

I root for ANYONE who is on the field, I don't have my favorites, or guys who don't "live up to my expectations"

When are you going to figure it out?

Nobody is perfect, EVERYBODY gets beat now and then, doesn't matter how much they get paid.

You ARE NOT THE GM, you don't determine the worth of a player.
you ARE NOT THE HC,you don't determine how much playing time a player gets.

How many times in the past 3 years has A.J. Hawk been as you say "torched" over the middle?

I am betting less than 5, yet EVERY one of those plays ended up with a new thread being created on this forum, and you NEVER let a chance go by to let it be known how you feel.

I'm sorry you get bothered by how much any player gets paid, that's Ted Thompsons job.

Which playere earned their contract last year????

Hawk or Bishop????
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#20 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:01:32 PM(UTC)

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That is the problem with players having their salaries public knowledge. It removes all bias. I'd prefer to be ignorant of the salaries, meaning no matter how hard one were to look, it wouldn't be discovered.


That's cause you're not an owner like Gunny and me. [grin1]
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#21 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:04:40 PM(UTC)

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That's cause you're not an owner like Gunny and me. [grin1]


Yea, I am, doesn't change my view of things.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:06:35 PM(UTC)

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What you don't understand is this, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHERE ANY PACKER PLAYER WENT TO COLLEGE!!!!!

I root for ANYONE who is on the field, I don't have my favorites, or guys who don't "live up to my expectations"

When are you going to figure it out?

Nobody is perfect, EVERYBODY gets beat now and then, doesn't matter how much they get paid.

You ARE NOT THE GM, you don't determine the worth of a player.
you ARE NOT THE HC,you don't determine how much playing time a player gets.

How many times in the past 3 years has A.J. Hawk been as you say "torched" over the middle?

I am betting less than 5, yet EVERY one of those plays ended up with a new thread being created on this forum, and you NEVER let a chance go by to let it be known how you feel.

I'm sorry you get bothered by how much any player gets paid, that's Ted Thompsons job.

Which playere earned their contract last year????

Hawk or Bishop????


5 times in three years, huh? Do you even watch the games? The reason he gets yanked off the field on third down is because he too slow to match up with the new breed of TE. You don't pay top dollar for a linebacker that comes off the field on third down. Just like you don't spend $2M on a 5th or 6th receiver that doesn't play special teams. But yeah Buckeye, I'm the asshole for pointing these things out. You win!
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#23 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:38:16 PM(UTC)

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5 times in three years, huh? Do you even watch the games? The reason he gets yanked off the field on third down is because he too slow to match up with the new breed of TE. You don't pay top dollar for a linebacker that comes off the field on third down. Just like you don't spend $2M on a 5th or 6th receiver that doesn't play special teams. But yeah Buckeye, I'm the asshole for pointing these things out. You win!


Show me!!!
You're the one who claims to know everything, you have to have the games archived.

I remember 4 or 5 plays in the past 3 years that A.J. Hawk absolutely got beat.

Yes I record almost every game, and then break down those games, because I find it quite enjoyable.

What I don't pretend to be is a GM or a coach, thinking that I can evaluate what a player is or isn't worth.

You're damn right I am right, as usual, hell this has been going on for 5 years, sooner or later you will be right.

Just like the 6th or 7th receiver, sooner or later you will be right, I just enjoy you making an ass out of yourself the 3 or 4 years leading up to the point where you are right.

Sooner or later A.J Hawk will be replaced, not because he hasn't earned his money, but because someone will finally come along who plays the position better and can actually stay on the field.

I've said it before, when that day comes, that's when I start rooting for whoever that player is, my only hope is that it is someone who you also think is overpaid that way I can enjoy you once again staing how "dissapointed" you are.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:28:50 PM(UTC)

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Show me!!!
You're the one who claims to know everything, you have to have the games archived.

I remember 4 or 5 plays in the past 3 years that A.J. Hawk absolutely got beat.

Yes I record almost every game, and then break down those games, because I find it quite enjoyable.

What I don't pretend to be is a GM or a coach, thinking that I can evaluate what a player is or isn't worth.

You're damn right I am right, as usual, hell this has been going on for 5 years, sooner or later you will be right.

Just like the 6th or 7th receiver, sooner or later you will be right, I just enjoy you making an ass out of yourself the 3 or 4 years leading up to the point where you are right.

Sooner or later A.J Hawk will be replaced, not because he hasn't earned his money, but because someone will finally come along who plays the position better and can actually stay on the field.

I've said it before, when that day comes, that's when I start rooting for whoever that player is, my only hope is that it is someone who you also think is overpaid that way I can enjoy you once again staing how "dissapointed" you are.



Just rewatch the San Fran and New Orleans games over the last couple years Mr. Archiver. You're the one that makes an ass of himself with your expert "predictions" that are about 20% right. I guess even the sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while Buckeye. I struck a chord with you on AJ and DD, get over it Susie and let's move on.
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#25 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:33:27 PM(UTC)

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It's better to put yourself out there and make a prediction than coming back after the fact with brilliant hindsight 'facts'. :)


I still say we shouldn't know who gets what for financial compensation. It serves us fans no purpose.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:51:11 PM(UTC)

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It's better to put yourself out there and make a prediction than coming back after the fact with brilliant hindsight 'facts'. :)




But Buckeye's the person playing GM not me who actually comments on play of the players. Buckeye must be a Republican - do the crime and point to the other guy.


There's is no way Driver should have been on the team in 2012, hell he stood in street clothes half the year, but he collected his salary didn't he? And AJ Hawk should be taking a paycut - right now. He can't be cut because of the contract he signed. Kudos to Hawk's agent, all of Ohio must be rejoicing.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:54:47 PM(UTC)

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But Buckeye's the person playing GM not me who actually comments on play of the players. Buckeye must be a Republican - do the crime and point to the other guy.


There's is no way Driver should have been on the team in 2012, hell he stood in street clothes half the year, but he collected his salary didn't he? And AJ Hawk should be taking a paycut - right now. He can't be cut because of the contract he signed. Kudos to Hawk's agent, all of Ohio must be rejoicing.


I don't think saying something about a political party helps anything nor is it relevant. Donald Driver earned his way onto the roster. The guy had the best training camp. I was there, I seen it. I posted about it. Do I think he was worth his salary? Not really, but then again, I'd rather be blissfully ignorant on the salaries of players.

I don't think anyone in Ohio cares about A.J. Hawk's contract. Hawk is a two down linebacker who is assignment sure and lacks sizzle. We all knew this BEFORE the draft, before he was drafted. It was said over and over, he has reached his ceiling, but is a very safe pick.

Hawk is a good linebacker. Is he worth his salary? I think an argument could be made that 95% of the athletes in this country do not have a worth in their salary.

You both have opinion's and that's cool. I think ya guys just need to respect that you disagree and carry on to a new topic.
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I don't think saying something about a political party helps anything nor is it relevant. Donald Driver earned his way onto the roster. The guy had the best training camp. I was there, I seen it. I posted about it. Do I think he was worth his salary? Not really, but then again, I'd rather be blissfully ignorant on the salaries of players.

I don't think anyone in Ohio cares about A.J. Hawk's contract. Hawk is a two down linebacker who is assignment sure and lacks sizzle. We all knew this BEFORE the draft, before he was drafted. It was said over and over, he has reached his ceiling, but is a very safe pick.

Hawk is a good linebacker. Is he worth his salary? I think an argument could be made that 95% of the athletes in this country do not have a worth in their salary.

You both have opinion's and that's cool. I think ya guys just need to respect that you disagree and carry on to a new topic.


Well I'm not a bitch, Zero, and if someone insults me I'm going to defend myself. And the fricken guy has been needling me.
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Well I'm not a bitch, Zero, and if someone insults me I'm going to defend myself. And the fricken guy has been needling me.


Just expand on this topic. He'll understand. :P

http://packershome.com/f...aspx?g=posts&t=15782



No one thinks you're a bitch. You two just have different opinions. Nothing more.
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A.J Hawk could have been rated the best lb in the NFL over his career and you would find something to "BE DISSAPOINTED" about.

Just because he was a 1st rnd pick.

Stop with your bullshit "spins" and just admit no matter how he plays, he will never live up to your "expectations".

2012 A.J, Hawk was paid 6.54 mil, played every game
2012 D. Bissop was paid 4.25 mil, played 5 ...6 games?

Which player earned their contract min 2012????

Why are you not all over Bishop for being overpaid????
Why are you not all over bishop for not "playing up to his potential?"


I think these comments are completely off the tracks. What Packers fan wouldn't love to see their MLB be one of the best in the NFL? Wouldn't appreciate that? I wish Hawk was in the top 5 or 10 MLBs!!! He's not even that! But, he is paid more than any SF linebacker. WTF?!!!!

I posted unbiased ranking of all LBs and all ILBs in another thread. Hawk didn't rank in the top 50 LBs, and was ranked somewhere around 32-34 amongst ILBs off the top of my head. He is way overpaid.

Hawk burned over the middle only 5 times in the past 3 seasons. Did you have your glasses on? The clear ones?
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