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Offline BaconDrivelMint  
#1 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 1:11:57 PM(UTC)
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#2 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 1:21:16 PM(UTC)
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I disagree, but what do I know Suicide

IMO the time has come to finally invest a high pick into that position. We have spent 2 firsts and a lot of money on the O-line, and the running game has not improved. I am a firm believer that the problem is our RBs and NOT the line. We have had late picks and a really risky pick (Green, and his crazy Hawaii scheme) and none have worked out.

It's time to try this another way.

Our O was not impressive this year against the constant cover-2. We need a RB who can take advantage.


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#3 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 1:47:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
I disagree, but what do I know Suicide

IMO the time has come to finally invest a high pick into that position. We have spent 2 firsts and a lot of money on the O-line, and the running game has not improved. I am a firm believer that the problem is our RBs and NOT the line. We have had late picks and a really risky pick (Green, and his crazy Hawaii scheme) and none have worked out.

It's time to try this another way.

Our O was not impressive this year against the constant cover-2. We need a RB who can take advantage.


I've been saying...and will continue to say that if Eddie Lacy is available at #26, the Packers should take him. He has low mileage in college and is a proven power back with good speed. I'd say our offensive line matches pretty well with theirs (not position for position).

Trade up in the 2nd and there is sure to be a C or DL available that can start right away.

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#4 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 1:57:40 PM(UTC)
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There are plenty of backs out there better than what we have now. But without an upgrade at the offensive line, we're not going to see a significant improvement in our running game with a significantly better RB unless his name is Adrian Peterson. You can strip arm tackles but it's much harder to teleport through your own linemen who are getting stuffed and not making big lanes. Better off sticking with who we have now and use the money on the offensive or defensive lines, RB, safety, or TE if we're losing Finley.
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#5 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 2:10:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
I've been saying...and will continue to say that if Eddie Lacy is available at #26, the Packers should take him. He has low mileage in college and is a proven power back with good speed. I'd say our offensive line matches pretty well with theirs (not position for position).

Trade up in the 2nd and there is sure to be a C or DL available that can start right away.



I'm more in the line of thinking that we are OK with what we have at RB. I really like Harris, Benson, Green and Starks.

That being said, Lacy is a kid I would not mind at all seeing in the Green & Gold. He's one of the few offensive players I would support picking in the 1st round.
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#6 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 2:22:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
There are plenty of backs out there better than what we have now. But without an upgrade at the offensive line, we're not going to see a significant improvement in our running game with a significantly better RB unless his name is Adrian Peterson. You can strip arm tackles but it's much harder to teleport through your own linemen who are getting stuffed and not making big lanes. Better off sticking with who we have now and use the money on the offensive or defensive lines, RB, safety, or TE if we're losing Finley.


If the Packers draft a center that is a bulldozer, the Packers right side of the line is above average in the run blocking department. With a new center, Sitton, and Bulaga manning the right side the run blocking should be alright. The left side is in question with LT and I'd go as far as saying Bulaga can still move to LT (again, probably in the minority here) as Don Barclay showed some glimpses at RT with both run and pass blocking. Barclay gets an offseason and training camp under his belt, I'd be willing to continue him at RT.

I think taking a gamble with Barclay at RT is worth it, leaving center being the main opening position. EDS is serviceable, but won't do much more than what was previously there. I think adding a quality center to this unit makes the entire offensive line better overall. The other positions can be filled with what the Packers currently have.
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#7 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 3:28:15 PM(UTC)
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this is off topic a bit, but I wonder if they would concider moving Bulaga to LT and let Barclay work RT.

I think they could give it a shot in TC. at least Think


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#8 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 5:22:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
I've been saying...and will continue to say that if Eddie Lacy is available at #26, the Packers should take him. He has low mileage in college and is a proven power back with good speed. I'd say our offensive line matches pretty well with theirs (not position for position).

Trade up in the 2nd and there is sure to be a C or DL available that can start right away.

My issue with Lacy is simple. He played behind the best offensive line in college football. There were holes against Georgia and Notre Dame that many running backs could've ran behind. That's why I think it's a buyer beware situation. He has good size, power, and competent speed. I think he may lack an extra gear, though. Nevertheless, he doesn't create and I don't think you spend a first-round pick on a running back that can't create. He’s a product of Alabama’s system.
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#9 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 6:19:02 PM(UTC)
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The only thing that has been holding our running game back is the play calling. Between not putting any focus on actually running the ball, and a scheme that hasn't worked for the Packers. It looked late in the season, that McCarthy has finally realized or admitted it and started calling more of a power run game, getting away from the outside zone blocking. And it worked.

I have little fear about our run game if McCarthy keeps that up. We have guys who can block, when the coach adjusts to his players instead of trying to force them into something that doesn't.
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#10 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 6:29:04 PM(UTC)
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a RB in the first round is a wasted pick. the same kind of talent is there in the 2/3 rounds.


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#11 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 6:49:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
this is off topic a bit, but I wonder if they would concider moving Bulaga to LT and let Barclay work RT.

I think they could give it a shot in TC. at least Think


First off, it's said players improve the most from their first year to their second and Barclay fits into that. So if he improves maybe depending on how much.

But based off what I saw last year, I'd say heck no. Barclay did well at RT (with help) considering he was a rookie UDFA. But he looked like an OG (with help) playing well at RT. But Barclay was a GREAT battler... he struggled but if a guy made a mistake he used it to make it even harder. If the OTs get healthy and do well, then the OGs need to watch out for Barclay. If Barclay improves enough the OTs might need to watch out as well.



Also as Mike McCarthy keeps saying Bulaga is an all pro RT (when fully healthy), he struggles against speed some (as the Seahawks game pointed out) so he might not be an all pro LT.

Newhouse seems up and down... but when he's up he does pretty well but doesn't finish giving a good pass rusher a couple chances to get by him. But he's shows the upside where he could handle it but still needs more work and needs to get more physical.

Plus there is Sherrod, who's said to be fully healthy, I've heard he's a power mauler RT by some during the draft, but honestly I never saw that on tape... what I saw was a great technician who beat guys with technique not power or brawling with them. So I think Newhouse and Sherrod would be best at LT... and I still don't get trying Sherrod at OG... seem like all that did was destroy his early confidence. I think they were trying to get his confidence up and push Lang at LG to be his best.

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#12 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 6:58:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
I disagree, but what do I know Suicide

IMO the time has come to finally invest a high pick into that position. We have spent 2 firsts and a lot of money on the O-line, and the running game has not improved. I am a firm believer that the problem is our RBs and NOT the line. We have had late picks and a really risky pick (Green, and his crazy Hawaii scheme) and none have worked out.

It's time to try this another way.

Our O was not impressive this year against the constant cover-2. We need a RB who can take advantage.



I hear what you are saying, but it isn't even close to passing my personal eyeball test. I don't see a hole for the running back to run through, except when he has one, then seems to do just fine, thank-you very much.

Maybe our coaching and scheme is wrong. It happens. Personally, I lean more towards that than anything. Regardless, I'm pretty sure our line sucks, notwithstanding our recent investments into it. I'm far more optimistic about the RB's in the short-term-- again- eyeball test (subjective, of course)


I am not saying I think you are wrong- I just wonder about the whole damn disgusting thing. It SUCKS not having the-or close to "the" best line in the NFL, when I think we really oughta aspire to that...


I'd like to see some GBP reporter take Jeff Saturday out to some bar and get him drunk... then report on his perspective of the Packers line, scheme, RB's...

THAT would interest me.

...plus what Wayne said. I tried to explain that a while ago, got CREAMED for it in here...

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#13 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:44:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
Our O was not impressive this year against the constant cover-2. We need a RB who can take advantage.


I don't know if the Packers are going to resign him or not... but Cedric Benson was getting good yards after contact.

If Starks could stay healthy he's pretty physical as well.

The Bucs are rumored to be looking to trade RB LeGarrette Blount for a 5th... he's got problems, including fumbling and pass blocking and some attitude... but Ahman Green had the fumbling problem, blocking normally is teachable to big backs... and attitude... tell coach Greene he looked at his Wife the wrong way that will work it's self out Wanna Box? Laughing


Now for the speed backs,

Harris looked good.

Green has the speed but injuries (including a knee one) and he doesn't know how to read blocking or be patient... he got better about being patient and waiting for the hole but then got the knee injury (which I don't know, is he expected to fully heal?) ...


But now I got a name for ya...

LaRod Stephens-Howling.... I think he might be the next Sproles.

After the other RBs got injured he got a shot this last year, and when there was a tiny crack of a hole or bigger, he looked pretty good (for what you would expect).

Give him a better OL (than the horrible Cards OL) and a passing game (that Cards didn't have) where teams can't target him, he might be Sproles, and Mike McCarthy could use him like he used Cobb last season and have Cobb out on WR routes, basically Cobb is the new Jennings and Stephens-Howling is the new behind the OL Cobb / Sproles.

In cover 2, the Safeties are deep. Get him to the second level and he'd make thing happen.


Though other teams might be interested... like the Pats. Lions and Saints.

Pats lost Danny Woodhead

Saints like that kind of RB

Lions wanted a guy like that, but might be less interested now they got Bush, but might be willing to sign another.





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#14 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 10:56:48 PM(UTC)
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IMO Our runningback situation right now is possibly the worst in the league. Alex Green be it due to injury (recovering from the ACL) or inability cannot handle the load, he doesn't seem to be able to find the hole and hit, he can run off tackle and outside but he just doesn't seem to have "it" to me. Starks has a lot of promise but dude has never finished a full season cannot rely on that as a prominent feature for the offense. Harris gave us a bit of a spark and is a nice versatile fixture for the offense, however his short stature is likely not going to allow him to be any sort of featured back. Sane has potential but again health is a huge question mark, and we don't know how Benson is going to bounce back if we even bring him back.


This is the kind of situation that really pisses me off. Thompson has to see how terrible we've been in the run game and I really think the Oline gets a worse rap than it deserves in this subject. Forking out a little extra for a Pass Blocking, receiving, punishing runner like Jackson would have been justified in my point of view, but I'm not a GM so what can you do. Thompson is a great drafter and talent evaulator but the dude has done little to nothing in free agency since we brought Pickett and Woodson aboard, he's got to see that we need some help and when we have a chance to address something like that in FA, paying a little extra is not always a bad thing.
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 11:44:12 PM(UTC)
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I like Blount, Although i do confess to have a man-crush on all big RBs. So my bias is defiantly showing. We all remember what he did to us...

Stevens-Howling and Woodhead may be better suited for passing teams like us, but we have a history of choosing RBs around 6-feet, and I think both those guys are smaller.


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#16 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:33:28 AM(UTC)
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I've seen a lot of backs run in this game through my lifetime. I don't know when I have ever seen so much talent so terribly misused. Count me in the camp where play calling and poor coaching seem more the root cause of our rushing woes.

Despite that, we still improved last season, with major injuries decimating both the line and the RBs. I think that is a testament to the talent, as they were handled, coached all by the same crew, calling the same kinds of plays.

Yeah, the blocking seemed horrific, but a lot of that was poor coaching, even worse play calling, and poor play by Saturday.

Games where we gave up on the run we lost. Games where we committed to it we generally won. That makes our problems seem more a coaching issue.

I think our RBs are good. I think we may have more talent than we may realize on the OL. Reports were Datko was first round talent had he not injured hi shoulder.

A mauler C could be some big medicine in this draft.

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#17 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:12:35 AM(UTC)
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I am firmly in the camp that that the Packers' offensive line is undertalented and that no running back -- not even Steven Jackson -- would look great behind it. I would far rather see Ted Thompson waste draft picks on offensive linemen until he finds someone who can manage to stay healthy before worrying about the running back. If this team rolls into camp with nothing more than Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod (who reporters say is still limping), Marshall Newhouse, and Don Barclay at the tackle positions, I say Thompson is gambling with his job security.

That being said, the more I watch film (huzzah for NFL Game Rewind!), the more I am convinced that a lot of the offensive line woes we are seeing leaguewide are a product of the offensive schemes themselves. Basically, offensive linemen are simply being asked to do too much with the modern high-flying aerial attacks and the bodies in the trenches haven't adapted yet. I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of the top offensive line prospects this year look more like oversized tight ends than traditional porkbellies, and indeed, many of them are converted tight ends. I think that is the wave of the future in the short term.

On the other hand, I also believe that the trend of pass-heavy offenses like the Packers, Patriots, Lions, and Saints is slowly peaking and may already be starting to reverse. Back in the late 1990s and early 2000s, certain coaches like Bill Belichick and a little later, Mike McCarthy, realized that they had maximized the potential of the running game, which had not improved in efficiency in decades. They realized that the only way to increase offensive output was to mine the untapped riches of the passing game, and that is what they did. (I am ignoring recent rule changes here, since the schematic changes preceded the rule changes.) The coaches who jumped on this bandwagon the earliest benefited the most. Coaches who have tried to scramble on recently, like Mike Tice, have discovered that the wave is already passing them by.

Ever the visionary, Belichick realizes that the tide is turning and he is getting ahead of it. He has made some noticeable changes to his offensive scheme lately. Coaches like Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll have been even bolder. McCarthy has been slower to adapt this time around, and it's hurting the team. He is hardheaded and perhaps a bit idealistic. Year after year he trots out the same basic scheme and won't adjust until Aaron Rodgers is punch drunk around Week 10 or so. Then he begrudgingly makes changes and suddenly Rodgers is able to stay upright again.

Until the Packers make some needed schematic changes, the line is going to look worse than it probably is. It's overstressed and overtaxed. Rodgers also doesn't do it any favors with his insistence on looking for the deep man instead of the dumpoff at the marker. McCarthy needs to find a way to flood the middle lanes with receivers; it was ridiculous how many games the middle of the field was entirely empty with all eligible receivers along the sidelines.

When the offense can more consistently convert on third downs, a running back may start to look more effective.
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By the way, here is a fun trivia question:

With respect to his own peers, who had statistically the greatest rushing season of all time?
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel Go to Quoted Post
By the way, here is a fun trivia question:

With respect to his own peers, who had statistically the greatest rushing season of all time?


OJ? Think
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NO! nvm I change my answer!! Bo Jackson tecmo bowl hands down.
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OJ? Think


Not even close.
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I'm fairly sure the Packers are not gonna draft either a center or RB, not before the 5th or 6th round anyway. The O Line will be OK with what we have. Great college centers often don't do great in the NFL. The big keys are Sherrod coming in healthy and playing like a first round pick and Bulaga getting over whatever his problem was even before his season-ending injury. If that happens, Harris, Green, maybe Starks, and maybe even Grant will look pretty good. Yeah, maybe Saine too.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:34:18 AM(UTC)
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I'm fairly sure the Packers are not gonna draft either a center or RB, not before the 5th or 6th round anyway. The O Line will be OK with what we have. Great college centers often don't do great in the NFL. The big keys are Sherrod coming in healthy and playing like a first round pick and Bulaga getting over whatever his problem was even before his season-ending injury. If that happens, Harris, Green, maybe Starks, and maybe even Grant will look pretty good. Yeah, maybe Saine too.


I agree with the general sense of this. I don't know that we have to pin our hopes on Sherrod though, and don't really think we should. He sounds like a Flanagan long shot to return healthy enough to contribute. What was that? Like, a 4 or 5 year window with him?

However, I do think Newhouse could show improvement this year, and I have a sense Andrew Datko may be a player in all of this. He was first round talent with a bum shoulder when we drafted him the end of the 2012 draft. He's had a full year to recover and train at a pro level. This may prove to have been an awesome selection by Ted after all is said and done.

I think we'll draft a C. I think we have to, and I wouldn't mind if they nab one of the best of the draft in the first 3 rounds.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:32:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel Go to Quoted Post
By the way, here is a fun trivia question:

With respect to his own peers, who had statistically the greatest rushing season of all time?


What criteria are you using?

If rushing yards; OJ, 1973 had 2003 yards; 2nd was Green Bay's John Brockington, with 1144, a difference of over 800 yards. No one else was even close to creating that kind of differential.

NOTE: 1973 was a 14 game season, not the current 16 game season.

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#25 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:19:04 PM(UTC)
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What criteria are you using?


Rushing efficiency, as opposed to cumulative statistics. I haven't glanced at the numbers, but I am guessing Simpson had a lot more reps than Brockington.
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