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steveishere  
#21 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:17:30 PM(UTC)
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:16:02 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.


Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?

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#23 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:18:04 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?



Oh yeah, Bulaga - answered my own question

Zero2Cool  
#24 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:25:36 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.


So, you think players that couldn't make it a full season, are going to help this upcoming season? Flapper
beast  
#25 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:41:08 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?
Sherrod, Perry, Bulaga and whom ever they pick this year (if they don't trade out of the 1st round)

I think the Packers NEED to upgrade the DL.

Depending how bad Worthy's knee got hurt, he might miss most or all of the season.

Love Raji's potential but he's not getting it done and struggles run clogging (which you want out of a NT) and he doesn't have the arm reach you would look for to put at 3-4 DE. And then because he's not excited about all the run clogging, he then get down with his pass rushing. This might sound odd, but I think losing Jenkins took some of the excitement out of the game for Raji and someone on the DL for him to compete with and push him. That or he just doesn't seem like the same guy in the pass rush he used to be.

Pickett is great at run clogging, but struggles in pass rush.

Wilson and Neal have their moments, but other than flashing potential here and there seem like back-ups to me.

Too early for Worthy and Daniels, thought Worthy has look good against the run, not so much pass rushing. Daniels has flashed at times, despite being a little bit limited to do his smaller size, the kid is VERY scrappy and hard worker.

I thought Daniels looked like the Packers 2nd best DL against 49ers, mainly because other than Pickett and Daniels the rest looked like they were getting their butt kicked badly. Pickett and Daniels didn't do great but seemed to hold their own and I enjoyed Daniels vs their RT battle.
sschind  
#26 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:55:35 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
So, you think players that couldn't make it a full season, are going to help this upcoming season? Flapper


I suppose the other option is to write them off and cut their worthless behinds since they got injured. They are guys you counted on when they were drafted why wouldn't you count on them again? Oh yeah, it's because they got hurt. No one ever comes back from injuries. It's a good thing the vikings didn't count on AP last year and went out and drafted another RB. It's a good thing the Broncos didn't count on Peyton Manning. I'm not saying any of our guys will have the impact that Manning and Peterson had but like I said, why wouldn't you count on them to make a contribution after their injuries unless you were not counting on them making a contribution before the injury.
play2win  
#27 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:24:42 AM(UTC)
beast,

I like that Daniels kid too. He seems to get the job done, and our D seems lifted a bit when he is in. He's not a huge guy, but he has a motor. Seems pretty tenacious. That is the kind of stuff that rubs off on your surrounding players. Maybe he turns into one of those guys who makes the others around him better.
Laser Gunns  
#28 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 1:43:52 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
since 2010, we've taken alot of hits at positions that we still have yet to fill which have created big weaknesses on our roster.


I thought I'd update myself on where we currently stand now that the draft and FA have gone bye.



RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post

Nick Collins: really good FS
-Charlie Peprah, contributed to one of, if not the worst pass-Ds in NFL history
-M.D. Jennings, meh at best.
-Jerron McMillian, rookie, diddnt see too much to be very optimistic.
-Charles Woodson, old, slow, hurt, expensive.

I know Ted is not an injury-prevention wizard, but we lost a good player because of bad luck and are still looking for someone to fill his shoes.


-Micah Hyde

Sounds like he is getting more reps as a corner than safety. mcMillan will likely start at this point.

RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post

Cullen Jenkins: power DE
-Jarius Wynn, terrible player, and out of scheme.
-C.J. Wilson, a slighlty less bad version of Wynn
-Mike Neal, Has missed more games than he has played, best talent of the 3.

I've heard he priced himself out of GB, I've heard he offered a hometown discount... whatever. his Eagles contract was not unfair at all. since Cullen, we have not had a single lineman (including Pickett) have a significant impact against the run and pass.


AWWW YEEAH!

-Datone Jones (1st)

Finally! A "real" defensive end! Going off what we know (practice reports, cards game) Datone is dominating in practice. However, he only lasted one play in his preseason debut.. Hopefully it's not a sign.


RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post

Scott Wells: Solid Center
- Jeff Saturday, bust of a signing, diddn't finish the season.
- EDS, better than Saturday, not bad, but not good either.

I dont care that he was a bust with the Rams, he was a pro-bowl center for us, our running game was abysmal and we had another 50-sack season the year he left.


Ready to roll with EDS as the presumed starter.

RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post

the OLB position we still have not filled 4-years later
-Aaron Kampman, was a bad idea to begin with.
-Frank Zombo, injuries then dissapeared
-Brad Jones, moved inside.
-Erik Walden, one of the worst LBs I have ever seen start an NFL game.
-Nick Perry, lost rookie year.

what piss poor luck, we finally draft a guy, and he breaks his hand. This position is so key to be a sucsessful 3-4 D, it's not suprise our pass rush is this bad with the crew we've been rotating through there.


Unchanged.

Perry will start. Can't wait to see how he does.

RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post

Chad Clifton:Blindside pass protection
-Derek Sherrod, lost most of unimpressive rookie and 2nd year.
-Marshall Newhouse, has gotten better,struggles badly at times against good pass-rushers.

Clifton was on his last legs in 2010 (literally), we drafted Derek Sherrod with the 32nd pick. logical pick, kid had a first round grade, and thanks to Newhouse single-handidly allowing Tamba Hali to wreck what could have been a 16-0 season, Sherrod got an opportunity to snap his leg in half. Newhouse reclaimed the job has hasn't looked back.


Well then...
Newhouse has since been replaced by 1st round pick Bryan Bulaga..who promptly went straight to IR. do not collect 200 dollars. Sherrod is still trying to invoke his inner Justin Harrell. But wait.. There may be good news coming..maybe..

-J.C. Tretter (4th)
-David Bahktiariwhatever (4th)

Tretter is already out with a broken ankle, and with Bulaga on IR.. The LT position is once again in Limbo. Fortunately, "Baaaahk!" Is looking pretty good so far... So far.

RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post

Ryan Grant: workhorse RB
-Brandon Jackson, awful as a starter
-James Starks, injury prone.
-Alex Green, ACL rookie year, bad the next.
-John Kuhn, is a damn fullback.

Grant will never be confused with a great RB, but he was better than this pile of shit.


WoooHooooo!

-Eddie Lacy (2nd)
-Johnathan Franklin (4th)
-Frozen Pease (UFA)

Area of obvious weakness and Ted shotgun'd it in the face.

RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post

Greg Jennings: great reciever.. unfortunatly
-??????


With Cobb, Jones and Nelson missing their flight to minny, Ted luckily only had to replace 2 receivers this year.

-Charles Johnson (7th)
Has not played or practiced all offseason. (Red flag)
-Kevin Dorsey (7th)
Has practiced less than a week
-Jarrett Boykin
Moved up from the PS, I expect very little.
-Myles White, walker.. And a bunch of UFAs
They are UFAs for a reason

This offseason has left our receiving core as shallow as it has been since 06'.. No standout replacements.. This falls in line with the thread theme perfectly.

RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post


IMO, this team is a long way from getting back to a SB. And although I think Teddy is a good GM, I do not believe he is a great one. If we are not gonna make trades (either way), and not going to dip into free agency that's fine; but that means we have to rock the draft, which we have not done well enough recently.


I love quoting this guy, he's smart.
Gaycandybacon  
#29 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 7:39:43 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
I thought I'd update myself on where we currently stand now that the draft and FA have gone bye.





-Micah Hyde

Sounds like he is getting more reps as a corner than safety. mcMillan will likely start at this point.



AWWW YEEAH!

-Datone Jones (1st)

Finally! A "real" defensive end! Going off what we know (practice reports, cards game) Datone is dominating in practice. However, he only lasted one play in his preseason debut.. Hopefully it's not a sign.




Ready to roll with EDS as the presumed starter.



Unchanged.

Perry will start. Can't wait to see how he does.



Well then...
Newhouse has since been replaced by 1st round pick Bryan Bulaga..who promptly went straight to IR. do not collect 200 dollars. Sherrod is still trying to invoke his inner Justin Harrell. But wait.. There may be good news coming..maybe..

-J.C. Tretter (4th)
-David Bahktiariwhatever (4th)

Tretter is already out with a broken ankle, and with Bulaga on IR.. The LT position is once again in Limbo. Fortunately, "Baaaahk!" Is looking pretty good so far... So far.



WoooHooooo!

-Eddie Lacy (2nd)
-Johnathan Franklin (4th)
-Frozen Pease (UFA)

Area of obvious weakness and Ted shotgun'd it in the face.



With Cobb, Jones and Nelson missing their flight to minny, Ted luckily only had to replace 2 receivers this year.

-Charles Johnson (7th)
Has not played or practiced all offseason. (Red flag)
-Kevin Dorsey (7th)
Has practiced less than a week
-Jarrett Boykin
Moved up from the PS, I expect very little.
-Myles White, walker.. And a bunch of UFAs
They are UFAs for a reason

This offseason has left our receiving core as shallow as it has been since 06'.. No standout replacements.. This falls in line with the thread theme perfectly.



I love quoting this guy, he's smart.


No standout replacements?

Jennings barely played last year, Driver as well..

Imo Boykin, Walker, and Ross are fine replacements for this offense. Obviously leadership is missing from Driver. But to say we are shallow at the position isn't true.
play2win  
#30 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 8:31:40 AM(UTC)
Yeah, I kind of questioned the WR thing too. Jennings was out most of last year. Driver never played. We have some other young players who look like they have a chance to stick. And, I like Boykin. I think he's going to be very successful this season. I'm not the least bit worried about this group, as Ted finds incredible WR talent, and Rodgers knows how to get them where he wants. Rodgers is an excellent communicator, and I suspect he will be all over this group going into the season, to make certain they are where he wants them. I hope Jordy can return healthy. James Jones has been a rock. Cobb has his chance to shine. This could be really good.

I like Walker and Myles White is my dark horse to win a position. He has 3 very important games ahead of him. If he hits the PS, that would be fine too, because he is raw. Dude's got some talent though, and size.

Biggest thing here is what is looking more an more like a strict adherence to draft and develop. Our FA signings have been pretty low level in terms of pay, where there is a real hope for flipping the value curve to the team if they pan out. I get it. I just think one or two vets added each year wouldn't hurt, especially at areas where we have questions. I thought Canty would be perfect for us this offseason, but the Packers failed him on his physical. BAL scooped him up quickly thereafter. Who knows?

I trust Ted is being as prudent as possible in managing the balance of salary/talent.
PackerTraxx  
#31 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 11:01:47 AM(UTC)
Jordy and Jones should be in their prime and I believe Cobb will more than replace Jennings. Boykins and the 5th and maybe 6th receiver should be as good as any we've had at those positions. Finley should at least be equal as he's been and Quarless could help. So receivers should be as good as ever. Three number one choices who were projected starters sitting out last year really hurt and we still have two of them out. I don't think any other team would weather that any better. Bak is the key at this point, if he can play respectably and we can stay relatively healthy from here on we should be OK.
Gaycandybacon  
#32 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 11:23:40 AM(UTC)
Lets not forget Finley broke the record for 61 Catches in a season in Packers history. Imagine 75, 85 catches a season by him, that would be amazing.

Rodgers has high praise for Finley this season. He mentioned his route running, film study, and catching has improved. He hasn't even tweeted since training camp started, maybe even a longer time span than that.

Hopefully Finley finally puts it all together. I like Finley a lot more than most fans do, and I would not be disappointed if we brought him back next year.
Laser Gunns  
#33 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 1:25:41 PM(UTC)
As for the WR replacement issue,

Jennings may have been out most of the last two years.. But he still managed to get ALOT more production than those two doofs combined.

Jordy has had 1 amazing season in his career, the other 4 years are really nothing special.

Cobb is for the most part, unproven, I personally use 1k yards as a benchmark for a "true #1", and he has yet to reach that point. (However close)

Jones is known. He can get 600-800 yards and some TDs.

^these 3 have been here so I don't really consider them a replacement

Jennings was, during his hayday, by far better than these 3. Posting 5 straight seasons over 900 yards (jordy and Cobb each have 1) and 3 straight 1000+ seasons (again, Jordy's only good year breaks 1k)

Boykin, has one first down catch in his career (one more in playoffs), and was previously an undrafted FA cut by the Jaguars. So forgive me if I'm not on board this hype-train.

Jeremy Ross, is another UFA cut by the patriots. He has no catches in the regular season. And already has earned some ire for his fumble in the playoffs.

Johnson and Dorsey have not done jack since we took them in the 7th.

And the rest are more UFAs... Who did go undrafted for a reason...

So basically we have a bunch of scrub players fighting for Driver and Jennings' old spots... Now maybe there is a diamond in this pile of droppings.. But I'm not willing to bank on it.

"B-b-b-but tyrone walker!"

Big whoop! 41 yards in a PRESEASON game against vanilla defenses doesn't mean jack. Lets just put that in perspective. Shall we?

Tori Gurly (9 for 81)
Dale Moss (5 for 51)
Diondre Borel (7 for 48)
Chasten West (3 for 45) (8 for 153)
Kerry Taylor (7 for 56)
Ryan Taylor (5 for 54)
Charles Dillon (8 for 99)
Brett Swain (8 for 164)
Patrick Williams (8 for 101)


All these guys have posted better numbers than that the last two preseasons, and what have they done for us? ... Exactly.

Thake off the goggles my peeps!
Laser Gunns  
#34 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 1:39:44 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
Lets not forget Finley broke the record for 61 Catches in a season in Packers history. Imagine 75, 85 catches a season by him, that would be amazing.

Rodgers has high praise for Finley this season. He mentioned his route running, film study, and catching has improved. He hasn't even tweeted since training camp started, maybe even a longer time span than that.

Hopefully Finley finally puts it all together. I like Finley a lot more than most fans do, and I would not be disappointed if we brought him back next year.


Agreed.

J-Mike can easily put up 600-700+ this year

But I am more focusing on the WR position specifically.
steveishere  
#35 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 2:06:16 PM(UTC)
Driver was absolutely nothing last year he couldn't even make the active game day roster. Jennings last year pretty uneffective even when he did play. Jennings only had 11 less targets than Jordy last year and he had 330 less yards. Even before both of them started getting hurt Jordy was the one leading the team. Greg hasn't been the #1 on this team since 2010. Most teams don't go 3 deep on quality receivers. We got by plenty of games last year without Greg or Jordy and we will be fine again with the 3 we have. I don't understand the panic.

Worrying about arbitrary statistical benchmarks IMO is a little lazy and shallow. Jordy, JJ, and Cobb didn't get to 1000 yards last year but each one has proven the ability to take over a game or make a key catch or first down or TD. That's all you need. If you are expecting a team to keep 4 or 5 top quality receivers every year you've got some disappointment coming your way.
DoddPower  
#36 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 2:46:52 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Driver was absolutely nothing last year he couldn't even make the active game day roster. Jennings last year pretty uneffective even when he did play. Jennings only had 11 less targets than Jordy last year and he had 330 less yards. Even before both of them started getting hurt Jordy was the one leading the team. Greg hasn't been the #1 on this team since 2010. Most teams don't go 3 deep on quality receivers. We got by plenty of games last year without Greg or Jordy and we will be fine again with the 3 we have. I don't understand the panic.

Worrying about arbitrary statistical benchmarks IMO is a little lazy and shallow. Jordy, JJ, and Cobb didn't get to 1000 yards last year but each one has proven the ability to take over a game or make a key catch or first down or TD. That's all you need. If you are expecting a team to keep 4 or 5 top quality receivers every year you've got some disappointment coming your way.


Well said. And if this team has any common sense, any slight drop-off in production from the wide receivers should be made up by increased production in the run game, which should also improve the efficiency of the passing game. One has to remember that the Packers didn't have a very good running game when comparing passing statistics from the past several seasons. I would expect the Packers passing statistics to go down a little as the rushing statistics go up. Or at least that's what I'm hoping for.

beast  
#37 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 2:54:36 PM(UTC)
the sky is falling the sky is falling

the sky is falling

seems like this happens every couple of years... good players go, waiting for new good players to step up.

But remember those good players that left weren't always good... they became good by growing into it.

Now we're just waiting for the new guys to grow into it.
Wade  
#38 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 4:15:22 PM(UTC)
IMNSHO,
1. Jones is a stud. (#2A, possibly becoming a #1)
2. The only question about Cobb is length of his current injury. If healthy, he's a threat. (#2B)
3. Nelson, the only real question about him right now is his health. I don't think of him as a #1, unlike many here, but I do think he is a solid #2. (#2C)

I've said before that I don't think any of them are as good as Jennings is. And I thought it would have been worth it to overspend to keep him. I do think they'll miss him.

At the same time, I do think they have three solid #2 quality receivers. Four if you add in Finley. So there are still four threats that the other team has to deal with.

After those four, everyone else is "potential". But I'm not bothered all that much by filling the #4 and #5 WR spots (and the #2 TE) with potential. Four bona fide threats is still one or two more than most teams have. I'd rather have that than one mega-star and a bunch of guys.

If we were looking for Walker, Boykins, Ross, et al to step up to be another #2 or even a #3 for an entire season, it might be different. But at this point, we don't really need them for that.

Now if Cobb and Nelson are gone longer, then the team has issues at WR. But what team wouldn't if they lost not just their #1 to free agency but two of the next three to injury?

I don't expect any UFA or late draft choice to become a #1 or #2 or #3 receiver. I don't think anyone should. And I don't think TT, MM, and company are thinking that way. What they are looking for is 2-3 guys who can be a #4 and a short-term fill in for #3.

And given that the person throwing to them is the #1 quarterback in all of football, they probably only need someone who can be a #5.

I'd still rather have Jennings. With Jennings, IMO, the Packers would still have the #1 set of receivers in NFL. Without him, they're still in the top 10 though. And with Rodgers at the helm, that's equivalent to saying they're still in the top five.



Laser Gunns  
#39 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 5:33:24 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
the sky is falling the sky is falling

the sky is falling



Not even close to my point... At no point did I say this was going to ruin the team, In fact, this year we landed players in some key positions that we needed (OT, RB, DE, + a healthy OLB)

The whole point of when I made this thread 5 months ago, was pointing out that where we currently have a weakness, we have inadequitly replaced the player that previously manned it.

The Jarius Wynn/ CJ Wilson combo for example... He have had these bad players in a position vacated by Cullen Jenkins because Mike Neal has not worked out. Leaving 1/3 of our line in the hands of people, who cannot handle it. As evidenced by their poor performance.

The "non CM3" LB has been a weakness for FOUR years, and had been manned by late rounders and UDFAs (sound familiar maybe??.) and was unaddressed until we selected perry. Unfortunately we had to wait a bit longer for him.

Is this team awful? Fuck no. In fact, I love the additions this year.. weve (supposedly) upgraded 3 of the __ positions i listed. But I defiantly don't believe "the best QB in the game" deserved to have his weapons come out of the "Erik Walden" pile. And that soon, the position will need to be addressed.

And as for my "artificial benchmark", it is hardly unfair for a team that passes as much as we do to have that.

Not all criticism lands into a doomsday scenario.
DarkaneRules  
#40 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 5:42:02 PM(UTC)
Which is why I stay out of most posts where fans discuss GM stuff. Good points, but my head hurts when I have to evaluate on grand scales. I cannot imagine how hard it is being a GM in this league. So I just try to evaluate what we got against what other teams have from game to game and leave it there. Love the discussion here though!
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