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Offline nerdmann  
#26 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:45:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Brad Jones making more than A.J. Hawk? If so, could we see a competition between Hawk, Jones and Desmond Bishop for the two ILB positions?


Hawk can't cover.
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#27 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:45:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
That's funny. I played Madden only once in my life. I think it was 1998, in Seattle, at a friend's place, and he played it all the time. I had no clue whatsoever what I was doing...

Would that have been Madden II? Laughing


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#28 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:52:53 AM(UTC)
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Just checked. Madden '98. Third generation of the game on PS. Still, didn't know shit about how to play... and the "friend" I was playing seemed to be taking great pleasure in killing me in that game. I left his house very unimpressed.

We can agree to disagree on SJax. I think he would have been awesome for us for two seasons. My hope is for us to find a young talent as good or better in the draft. As much as I want James Starks to succeed in Green Bay, I am not holding out hope for that. He needs to toughen up, stop getting himself injured, make himself available for a full season. Not to mention, he doesn't really classify as the kind of thumper RB that I think we need to take us over the top there.

We need a RB that will PUNISH the opponent, with his head up of course!

As for Hawk, Jones and our LBs. I would imagine better DL play will help all of those guys, as will the return of a healthy Nick Perry. Let's hope we add some monsters up front for our D this draft as well. We're gonna need it!
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#29 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:55:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
He is making 3.6 (2.1 guaranteed this year). The team still has to account for the 1.6 million prorated from his 8 million SB which makes his cap number 5.2.


I gotcha, duh, he got the full 8mil when he signed, that money's already been spent. lol

If one looks at the season as a whole, the run defense was not that bad.

The problem is most tend to remember just the 49r game at the end of the season and AD torching us.

That was with lbr's dropping like flies, hopefully they all will be back and healthy,

Ted paying starting lbr's in the range of 4-5 mil a year is not out of line with the rest of the league.
You want to pay everyone vet minimum, you are not going to have much in talent.

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#30 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:57:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I gotcha, duh, he got the full 8mil when he signed, that money's already been spent. lol

If one looks at the season as a whole, the run defense was not that bad.

The problem is most tend to remember just the 49r game at the end of the season and AD torching us.


That was with lbr's dropping like flies, hopefully they all will be back and healthy,

Ted paying starting lbr's in the range of 4-5 mil a year is not out of line with the rest of the league.
You want to pay everyone vet minimum, you are not going to have much in talent.



That is the only part of the season that counts. Mike was "warned" for 2 straight weeks of the problem and didn't get it corrected for SF.
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#31 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 11:03:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Hawk can't cover.


Actually, he covered amazingly well in 2010. I think that helped lead to the gigantic contract after winning the Super Bowl. I think Hawk had 10 PDs in 2010, along with 3 INTs. That dropped to 3 PDs in 2011 with 0 INTs, and 0 PDs with 0 INTs in 2012.

Hawk's stats were better than Urlacher's in 2010.

Hawk seems like a pros pro though, and I would imagine he will do what he can in training/conditioning to improve this year. He will be better with better players around him too... like, Brad Jones.... Rolling Eyes
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#32 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 11:07:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
That is the only part of the season that counts. Mike was "warned" for 2 straight weeks of the problem and didn't get it corrected for SF.


I'm not disagreeing with you, The Packers got caught completely unprepared, just trying to make the point the guys on the roster now are pretty talented, that 4-5 mil a year is not out of line.

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#33 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 1:47:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Oh No. How could Thompson be that stupid? If the deal had been just above the vet. minimum, I wouldn't have been opposed keeping Jones as like a 4th ILB/OLB or whatever, but nearly $4 million per season? That's just ridiculous!


They obviously think he's the future starter :)
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#34 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:08:50 AM(UTC)
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Jones was one of my favorite picks at the time, I really like his speed. It seems Ted Thompson sees something he really likes, that's a much better deal than most would have expected him to get. We'll just have to trust Ted Thompson knows what he's doing, he usually does.
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#35 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:31:26 AM(UTC)
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Brad Jones is the Packers' only ILB who is competent in pass coverage. He has the speed and height to cover the hybrid TE that are taking over the NFL. I'd rather have Jones out there in coverage instead of Hawk or Bishop/Smith coming off major injuries. I could see Jones being our lone LB in dime packages also. It also helps our special teams.

Nice job by Thompson locking him up.

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#36 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:25:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Actually, he covered amazingly well in 2010. I think that helped lead to the gigantic contract after winning the Super Bowl. I think Hawk had 10 PDs in 2010, along with 3 INTs. That dropped to 3 PDs in 2011 with 0 INTs, and 0 PDs with 0 INTs in 2012.

Hawk's stats were better than Urlacher's in 2010.

Hawk seems like a pros pro though, and I would imagine he will do what he can in training/conditioning to improve this year. He will be better with better players around him too... like, Brad Jones.... Rolling Eyes


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#37 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:22:53 PM(UTC)
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