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play2win  
#21 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 9:55:38 AM(UTC)
Hey, I thought Jones' play improved in the middle last season, but it wasn't that great. After the season, I figured we were due for an upgrade there, and didn't want us to count on Bishop returning to full speed. I guess they think Jones is better and will improve. I wasn't seeing it, but I wish him well. Seems like a lot of dough to be throwing at what was your 3rd string MLB, behind Bishop and DJ Smith at the position.

This smacks a bit of keeping your own guy, regardless of the price. And Steven Jackson was too much? Really? I like Ted Thompson just fine, but I don't agree with that.

This seems more frivolous than prudent. How is the team improved? It's not. But, he held to his mantra of signing his own guy.
buckeyepackfan  
#22 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:11:18 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Hawk is making 3.6 not 5.2.

We should start Hawk and Jones. AJ is the most solid run defender, and as the backside ILB, we want somebody who is going to be where they are supposed to be, not overpursuing. Jones has be best potential on the frontside. He is bigger and faster than Bishop, his pass rushing experience makes he better at getting off blocks. And it adds some flexibility for Dom. If he wanted to move Matthews and make Perry around, Jones would shift and pass rush.



There are definitely 2 different reports on Hawks contract, the one I was going off of shows that his base salary was reduced to 3.6 mil, but he is still getting the 1.6 mil guaranteed money from last contract.

IDK, really don't care that much, Hawk and Jones will be the starters going into camp, hopefully the guys coming off of injury will push them, that would only help The Packers D as a whole.

This article shows him receiving 5.2 mil for 2013


http://jerseyal.com/GBP/...-contract-restructuring/
PackFanWithTwins  
#23 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:16:51 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
There are definitely 2 different reports on Hawks contract, the one I was going off of shows that his base salary was reduced to 3.6 mil, but he is still getting the 1.6 mil guaranteed money from last contract.

IDK, really don't care that much, Hawk and Jones will be the starters going into camp, hopefully the guys coming off of injury will push them, that would only help The Packers D as a whole.


He is making 3.6 (2.1 guaranteed this year). The team still has to account for the 1.6 million prorated from his 8 million SB which makes his cap number 5.2.
Zero2Cool  
#24 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:30:02 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Hey, I thought Jones' play improved in the middle last season, but it wasn't that great. After the season, I figured we were due for an upgrade there, and didn't want us to count on Bishop returning to full speed. I guess they think Jones is better and will improve. I wasn't seeing it, but I wish him well. Seems like a lot of dough to be throwing at what was your 3rd string MLB, behind Bishop and DJ Smith at the position.

This smacks a bit of keeping your own guy, regardless of the price. And Steven Jackson was too much? Really? I like Ted Thompson just fine, but I don't agree with that.

This seems more frivolous than prudent. How is the team improved? It's not. But, he held to his mantra of signing his own guy.


It makes perfect sense. Ted Thompson goes along with Ron Wolf in believing you can plug in free agent defensive players far more smoothly than offensive players. A RB wanting $4 million per year that wants to play for the Falcons or retire... what amount of money do you think it'd require to get him to consider the Packers when he admitted he wanted to be a Falcon and considered retiring?

Steven Jackson is NOT worth $4 million per year. Period. Not in this offense. The Packers can accomplish their rushing goals with James Starks and DuJuan Harris plus a RB from the draft. And use that $4 million on areas of need.

I can't say I agree Brad Jones is worth $4 million, but compare it to other LB's and it's not that bad.


Ya gotta get out of this "Madden" mindset ya got, lol. You can't just plug a bunch of pieces into a puzzle and expect it to look Mona Lisa.
play2win  
#25 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:43:30 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
It makes perfect sense. Ted Thompson goes along with Ron Wolf in believing you can plug in free agent defensive players far more smoothly than offensive players. A RB wanting $4 million per year that wants to play for the Falcons or retire... what amount of money do you think it'd require to get him to consider the Packers when he admitted he wanted to be a Falcon and considered retiring?

Steven Jackson is NOT worth $4 million per year. Period. Not in this offense. The Packers can accomplish their rushing goals with James Starks and DuJuan Harris plus a RB from the draft. And use that $4 million on areas of need.

I can't say I agree Brad Jones is worth $4 million, but compare it to other LB's and it's not that bad.


Ya gotta get out of this "Madden" mindset ya got, lol. You can't just plug a bunch of pieces into a puzzle and expect it to look Mona Lisa.


That's funny. I played Madden only once in my life. I think it was 1998, in Seattle, at a friend's place, and he played it all the time. I had no clue whatsoever what I was doing...

Would that have been Madden II? [laughing]
nerdmann  
#26 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:45:13 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Brad Jones making more than A.J. Hawk? If so, could we see a competition between Hawk, Jones and Desmond Bishop for the two ILB positions?


Hawk can't cover.
Zero2Cool  
#27 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:45:23 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
That's funny. I played Madden only once in my life. I think it was 1998, in Seattle, at a friend's place, and he played it all the time. I had no clue whatsoever what I was doing...

Would that have been Madden II? [laughing]


One does not have to play Madden to possess the "Madden" mindset. Flapper
play2win  
#28 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:52:53 AM(UTC)
Just checked. Madden '98. Third generation of the game on PS. Still, didn't know shit about how to play... and the "friend" I was playing seemed to be taking great pleasure in killing me in that game. I left his house very unimpressed.

We can agree to disagree on SJax. I think he would have been awesome for us for two seasons. My hope is for us to find a young talent as good or better in the draft. As much as I want James Starks to succeed in Green Bay, I am not holding out hope for that. He needs to toughen up, stop getting himself injured, make himself available for a full season. Not to mention, he doesn't really classify as the kind of thumper RB that I think we need to take us over the top there.

We need a RB that will PUNISH the opponent, with his head up of course!

As for Hawk, Jones and our LBs. I would imagine better DL play will help all of those guys, as will the return of a healthy Nick Perry. Let's hope we add some monsters up front for our D this draft as well. We're gonna need it!
buckeyepackfan  
#29 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:55:55 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
He is making 3.6 (2.1 guaranteed this year). The team still has to account for the 1.6 million prorated from his 8 million SB which makes his cap number 5.2.


I gotcha, duh, he got the full 8mil when he signed, that money's already been spent. lol

If one looks at the season as a whole, the run defense was not that bad.

The problem is most tend to remember just the 49r game at the end of the season and AD torching us.

That was with lbr's dropping like flies, hopefully they all will be back and healthy,

Ted paying starting lbr's in the range of 4-5 mil a year is not out of line with the rest of the league.
You want to pay everyone vet minimum, you are not going to have much in talent.

wpr  
#30 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:57:07 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
I gotcha, duh, he got the full 8mil when he signed, that money's already been spent. lol

If one looks at the season as a whole, the run defense was not that bad.

The problem is most tend to remember just the 49r game at the end of the season and AD torching us.


That was with lbr's dropping like flies, hopefully they all will be back and healthy,

Ted paying starting lbr's in the range of 4-5 mil a year is not out of line with the rest of the league.
You want to pay everyone vet minimum, you are not going to have much in talent.



That is the only part of the season that counts. Mike was "warned" for 2 straight weeks of the problem and didn't get it corrected for SF.
play2win  
#31 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 11:03:57 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Hawk can't cover.


Actually, he covered amazingly well in 2010. I think that helped lead to the gigantic contract after winning the Super Bowl. I think Hawk had 10 PDs in 2010, along with 3 INTs. That dropped to 3 PDs in 2011 with 0 INTs, and 0 PDs with 0 INTs in 2012.

Hawk's stats were better than Urlacher's in 2010.

Hawk seems like a pros pro though, and I would imagine he will do what he can in training/conditioning to improve this year. He will be better with better players around him too... like, Brad Jones.... RollEyes
buckeyepackfan  
#32 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 11:07:31 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
That is the only part of the season that counts. Mike was "warned" for 2 straight weeks of the problem and didn't get it corrected for SF.


I'm not disagreeing with you, The Packers got caught completely unprepared, just trying to make the point the guys on the roster now are pretty talented, that 4-5 mil a year is not out of line.

Gaycandybacon  
#33 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 1:47:12 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh No. How could Thompson be that stupid? If the deal had been just above the vet. minimum, I wouldn't have been opposed keeping Jones as like a 4th ILB/OLB or whatever, but nearly $4 million per season? That's just ridiculous!


They obviously think he's the future starter :)
PackerTraxx  
#34 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:08:50 AM(UTC)
Jones was one of my favorite picks at the time, I really like his speed. It seems Ted Thompson sees something he really likes, that's a much better deal than most would have expected him to get. We'll just have to trust Ted Thompson knows what he's doing, he usually does.
Bigbyfan  
#35 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:31:26 AM(UTC)
Brad Jones is the Packers' only ILB who is competent in pass coverage. He has the speed and height to cover the hybrid TE that are taking over the NFL. I'd rather have Jones out there in coverage instead of Hawk or Bishop/Smith coming off major injuries. I could see Jones being our lone LB in dime packages also. It also helps our special teams.

Nice job by Thompson locking him up.
nerdmann  
#36 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:25:54 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Actually, he covered amazingly well in 2010. I think that helped lead to the gigantic contract after winning the Super Bowl. I think Hawk had 10 PDs in 2010, along with 3 INTs. That dropped to 3 PDs in 2011 with 0 INTs, and 0 PDs with 0 INTs in 2012.

Hawk's stats were better than Urlacher's in 2010.

Hawk seems like a pros pro though, and I would imagine he will do what he can in training/conditioning to improve this year. He will be better with better players around him too... like, Brad Jones.... RollEyes


Who would you rather have covering Vernon Davis in January?
play2win  
#37 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:22:53 PM(UTC)
The 2010 AJ Hawk!
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