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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 1:22:43 PM(UTC)
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#2 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 1:37:49 PM(UTC)
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Looks like Jermichael Finley will be the focus of scrutiny for another season because I am guessing a majority, including myself, can agree that he should not and is not worth that amount of $.
I usually don't bitch about TT's off-season moves. I have been on board with the restructure of Hawk (instead of cutting him like most want), the re-signing of Brad Jones and the overall quietness of not signing any high-priced, older FAs. However, this one is baffling. I have no idea what the Packers see in Finley other than this "potential" they always speak of.

Damn.
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#3 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 1:44:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
Looks like Jermichael Finley will be the focus of scrutiny for another season because I am guessing a majority, including myself, can agree that he should not and is not worth that amount of $.
I usually don't bitch about TT's off-season moves. I have been on board with the restructure of Hawk (instead of cutting him like most want), the re-signing of Brad Jones and the overall quietness of not signing any high-priced, older FAs. However, this one is baffling. I have no idea what the Packers see in Finley other than this "potential" they always speak of.

Damn.


Finley has a substantial value to the Packers. Is it worth $8+ million? No, probably not. They are paying him a few million more than he is likely worth, but releasing him would likely hurt the Packers more than spending a few million extra for one more season would. I think that's the larger point. As I stated in another thread, sometimes players get paid more, or less, than they are worth for a season or two. It happens. Not every player on a roster makes exactly what they are worth every season (see AJ Hawk previously, Aaron Rodgers, CM3, etc.). It's not ideal, but it just happens.

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#4 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 1:45:01 PM(UTC)
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Maybe he can afford postage to Europe now.
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#5 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 1:53:25 PM(UTC)
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Finley has a issue with a PR filter from his mouth to the mic... but beyond that he is a fine football player for the Packers.

Overpaid.. probably slightly.. but lets compare some names on the market.

Zach Miller.. 11m cap number this season.
Veron Davis 8.739
Heath Miller 7.958
Antonio Gates 6.862
Marcedes Lewis 8.25 (however he converted some of the bonus to reduce the cap number this season to 5.75)


By standard of some of these names.. he isn't that far out of whack on the top end of the market.. even though his production in near the top.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#6 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 2:01:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Finley has a substantial value to the Packers. Is it worth $8+ million? No, probably not. They are paying him a few million more than he is likely worth, but releasing him would likely hurt the Packers more than spending a few million extra for one more season would. I think that's the larger point. As I stated in another thread, sometimes players get paid more, or less, than they are worth for a season or two. It happens. Not every player on a roster makes exactly what they are worth every season (see AJ Hawk previously, Aaron Rodgers, CM3, etc.). It's not ideal, but it just happens.



I understand that and I don't think cutting Finley would be the logical move. I wasn't trying to say that. Its clear that Finley has value to this offense and a majority of it is being a "decoy" to open up other receivers. Like you are saying, I just don't think he is worth that current contract and to me, something should have and probably could have changed. At this point I was hoping for a restructure or a trade for a draft pick.

I could care less what Finley does off the field in terms of "saying the wrong things" or coming off as an ass while talking to media. All I care about is the production on the field and he has yet to produce what he and the Packers say he can.

Color me naive for thinking there are potentially 2-3 tight ends in this draft that are better, both in blocking and receiving that Finley. I may be in the minority there.
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#7 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 2:10:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Finley has a substantial value to the Packers. Is it worth $8+ million? No, probably not. They are paying him a few million more than he is likely worth, but releasing him would likely hurt the Packers more than spending a few million extra for one more season would. I think that's the larger point. As I stated in another thread, sometimes players get paid more, or less, than they are worth for a season or two. It happens. Not every player on a roster makes exactly what they are worth every season (see AJ Hawk previously, Aaron Rodgers, CM3, etc.). It's not ideal, but it just happens.



Fair enough, but if you cut him, you end up with just $500,000.- in dead money, if I understand correctly.

Martellus Bennett (4 years, $20 million)
Delanie Walker (4 years, $17.5M; $8.6M guaranteed)
Anthony Fasano (4 years, $16M; $4.5 signing bonus)
Tony Gonzalez (2 years, $14M; $7M guaranteed) -- Really just a one year, $7 million deal.
Dustin Keller (1 year, $4.25 million)
Brandon Myers (1 year, $2.25 million)

Especially on those later signings there's a lot of value. Keller is a better TE than Finley, yet, getting just half of his salary.

I would've cut Finley and signed a servicable FA. I'd even rather have a guy like Fred Davis at a reasonable price than carry Finley who's earning $8.5 million. That'd give you some space to either take look at another servicable player like Huff or, in hindsight, Pollard (signed for 1 year, $2.5 million).

Even if you wouldn't do that, it'd give you some space to negotiate with Matthews and put some of that cap money in this year... Or carry it over to next year.

Any way I look at it, I'm not a fan of this move.
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#8 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 2:44:24 PM(UTC)
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There are two reasons you cut a player the caliber of Finley. Either you have better alternatives at a better price or your salary cap situation is dire enough to warrant the move. The Packers alternatives are underwhelming and they’re nearly $20 million under. There was never a significant reason to cut him. It never made any sense. He’s a big part of the football team and will make a lot of money.

As Dodd said, he’s probably not worth this much, but a player is always going to make too much or too little at some point in his career. Frankly, though, Finley has the potential to be worth more than a little over $8 million. I know he’s frustrating at times, but he’s only 26-years-old. He’s been in the league long enough that he seems older, but most 26-years-old still have their best football ahead of them.
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#9 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 2:52:29 PM(UTC)
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I would have liked to have JerMike at a lower value but all in all it will work. It will not shock me if he really blossoms this year. Yes I know we have been saying that for a long time. With Greg gone they will need him more.
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#10 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 2:54:52 PM(UTC)
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I was kind of hoping for a 3 year deal that was a little more friendly on the 2013 cap, but I think the Packers have lost enough players. It's time to sign their own long term... specifically Aaron and Clay.

I do love Finley's reaction though.

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#11 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 3:31:32 PM(UTC)
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I don't like the deal but when your desperate you gotta do what you gotta do. I hope he finally proves me wrong this year.. Shut people up like Jones did last year.. Pack took care of you Fin now your turn to take care of them.
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#12 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 3:35:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I was kind of hoping for a 3 year deal that was a little more friendly on the 2013 cap, but I think the Packers have lost enough players. It's time to sign their own long term... specifically Aaron and Clay.

I do love Finley's reaction though.

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I'd be ecstatic too if 3 Mill guaranteed money dropped into my bank account a day before my b day lol.
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#13 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 3:54:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JustinAVA182 Go to Quoted Post
I'd be ecstatic too if 3 Mill guaranteed money dropped into my bank account a day before my b day lol.


give me your routing number and I will. Laughing

It will only cost you a modest fee for shipping and handling. Big Grin
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#14 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 4:30:14 PM(UTC)
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We are paying to #7 money to a #22 performer at TE. Why? He's a good decoy? Wow.

He must be a really fucking good decoy. $8.75M for 2013. We could have saved $8.25 on this year's cap. Bad move IMO, and I would love for the guy to show me otherwise.
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#15 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 4:38:11 PM(UTC)
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The contract was signed last year and was a two year deal, therefore this isn't a new signing or a new move or anything.

I don't understand why so many are bitching about this, yet where are the complaints about the Packers paying the #1 QB a salary that's probably not even top 10! OH wait, said QB doesn't speak his mind freely via Twitter and the media doesn't twist his words around making him look more foolish than he is.

Bashing Finley doesn't make you cool. It shows you're short sighted.

Sometimes I think Packers fans dislike their own players more than the rest of the NFL. Crazy.
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#16 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 4:43:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
We are paying to #7 money to a #22 performer at TE. Why? He's a good decoy? Wow.

He must be a really fucking good decoy. $8.75M for 2013. We could have saved $8.25 on this year's cap. Bad move IMO, and I would love for the guy to show me otherwise.


If he keeps dropping the ball, he's a #22 performer and it's a waste. If he gets his act together he's worth every penny. In either case, without Finley we'd be a vastly different team on offense, and if Cobb went down we'd be pretty well screwed. If nothing else, he's a credible target. I figure the Packers don't sign him again after this year - either he fails and he's not worth having on the team, or he excels and he's too expensive. By then, our young WRs have another year of development and we likely draft another rookie or two and it's a lot easier to let him go.
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#17 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 4:55:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
The contract was signed last year and was a two year deal, therefore this isn't a new signing or a new move or anything.

I don't understand why so many are bitching about this, yet where are the complaints about the Packers paying the #1 QB a salary that's probably not even top 10! OH wait, said QB doesn't speak his mind freely via Twitter and the media doesn't twist his words around making him look more foolish than he is.

Bashing Finley doesn't make you cool. It shows you're short sighted.

Sometimes I think Packers fans dislike their own players more than the rest of the NFL. Crazy.


Really?

That's total BS. The guy wasted half a season "free styling," and never lived up to his contract. The guy is clearly a head case. I have to like that as a fan? I have to see some insane value in this? Or ignore this in endorsing his value?

BS.

I would have rather cut him and moved on. You don't like my opinion, TFB. This has nothing to do with coolness, or liking him or not, and has everything to do with the Packers not getting $9M worth of value at TE. They could have added $8.25M to their cap by not paying the bonus and cutting him to pay for players more worthy of the cash. Plain & simple.

Short sighted? We won a Super Bowl WITHOUT him.

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#18 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 5:14:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Really?

That's total BS. The guy wasted half a season "free styling," and never lived up to his contract. The guy is clearly a head case. I have to like that as a fan? I have to see some insane value in this? Or ignore this in endorsing his value?

BS.

I would have rather cut him and moved on. You don't like my opinion, TFB. This has nothing to do with coolness, or liking him or not, and has everything to do with the Packers not getting $9M worth of value at TE. They could have added $8.25M to their cap by not paying the bonus and cutting him to pay for players more worthy of the cash. Plain & simple.

Short sighted? We won a Super Bowl WITHOUT him.


Remember how the Packers stood behind Mason Crosby last year? He earned that loyalty.

Sure, he'll be tested this year in TC, but he earned the right to have the team stand behind him. How? Because when they were F'ing with his holder for that entire year (2009?) he shut his pie hole and took the responsibility on himself. Didn't blame the coaches, didn't blame the holder, didn't act like a punk-ass little bitch.

Donald Driver? Same thing. Respect.

Ryan Grant, on the other hand, used the Favre fiasco to leverage a contract. We see how the team let him hang until he was the only option in the league last year. If we wouldn't have had multiple injuries, he wouldn't even have been back.

Thus far, Jerkmike falls into the latter category. He's got the team (somewhat) over a barrel right now. That won't last forever.

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#19 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 5:55:35 PM(UTC)
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I guess it just pisses me off when if you hold an opinion differing from whatever Ted decides to do, you're labeled as "bitching," and "disliking" our own players, or Thompson himself.

I know what I saw last year, and the year before. I've seen how JMike works, and how Ted works. I'm sorry, but I don't find Finley to be worth anywhere hear that much, and I think Ted errs in overpaying his own players, overvaluing them.

I don't dislike Finley, and have been on record here numerous times in expressing my hopes that he makes it here if he stays in a GB uniform. I just didn't think he would, at that price.
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#20 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 5:55:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Really?

That's total BS. The guy wasted half a season "free styling," and never lived up to his contract. The guy is clearly a head case. I have to like that as a fan? I have to see some insane value in this? Or ignore this in endorsing his value?

BS.

I would have rather cut him and moved on. You don't like my opinion, TFB. This has nothing to do with coolness, or liking him or not, and has everything to do with the Packers not getting $9M worth of value at TE. They could have added $8.25M to their cap by not paying the bonus and cutting him to pay for players more worthy of the cash. Plain & simple.

Short sighted? We won a Super Bowl WITHOUT him.


If Finley would have been cut, they would have likely pursued another via free agency (Dustin Keller, et al.). Best case scenario, those guys would have signed for $4-5 million a year. Rock stated he thinks Keller is better, but that's subjective. He's smaller (6'2), and still not a good blocker. There were/are some other options out there, but the net gain is likely only $2-4 million in savings AT MOST. The $8 million number sounds like a lot, but in order to have any kind of serviceable replacement, the savings would only be a few million for someone that is arguably equally as talented as Finley with "less potential," and that isn't familiar with the Packers system yet. That's assuming they could even sign those players period, or for anything less than $8 million.

I guess I just don't see it as a big of a deal as others. He's likely to be a bit overpaid this year, and will probably be gone next season as Nerd mentioned; either by not having a very good season or breaking out and pricing himself out of Green Bay. As others have mentioned, with Jennings gone there's a reasonable chance he could earn every penny of that $8 million, especially since it's a contract year. If he does have a great season, the money he's getting paid won't be any issue at all. He caught the Packers in a slightly tough spot, and they have to 'eat' $2-3 million for a season and hope he has a great year (which isn't unrealistic, imo).
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#21 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 6:02:42 PM(UTC)
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So, apparently we drafted, but didn't "develop" Quarless, Williams and Taylor. We just have no one to play TE if we don't give Jermichael Finley $9,000,000.

I would have rather paid that to Dumervil, or Matthews/Raji, etc in a new deal.
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#22 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 6:08:57 PM(UTC)
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So, apparently we drafted, but didn't "develop" Quarless, Williams and Taylor. We just have no one to play TE if we don't give Jermichael Finley $9,000,000.

I would have rather paid that to Dumervil, or Matthews/Raji, etc in a new deal.



For 2013, Finely >>> than the other options on this team. I was high on Williams, but he hasn't developed as I expected (although I still think he can). Quarless could be serviceable, but his health is the main question with him. Perhaps if the team was confident he could return to his pre-injury form, the situation with Finley would have been different. Taylor definitely isn't in the same league in terms of a receiving tight-end and is more of a H-back/special teams/bottom of the roster guy.

As for resigning Mathews/Raji, I really don't think the few million difference will have any significant consequence on any of that.
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As I understand, if we had cut him, there would have been a $3 million + cap hit. I wish he could have been restructured for a lower cap number and longer term, but what's done is done. All we can do is hope for Finley to snap out of the dropping thing. The good news, of course, is a lot of players really come through big in their contract season. The bad news is if that does happen, it will be extremely difficult to keep him beyond this season.
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
The contract was signed last year and was a two year deal, therefore this isn't a new signing or a new move or anything.

I don't understand why so many are bitching about this, yet where are the complaints about the Packers paying the #1 QB a salary that's probably not even top 10! OH wait, said QB doesn't speak his mind freely via Twitter and the media doesn't twist his words around making him look more foolish than he is.

Bashing Finley doesn't make you cool. It shows you're short sighted.

Sometimes I think Packers fans dislike their own players more than the rest of the NFL. Crazy.


Lol I think Bears fans despise their players more than us in ours.

But anyways I agree.. Finley hasn't had off the field problems.. All he does is talk. Who gives 2 shits. Sure he's dropped a couple balls, but he is a monster receiver and attracts attention throughout games. He's still young 25?26? Let him develop as a player and as a man. I think he's on his way.

I'm fine with them keeping him, we lost Crabtree to FA and we don't know what we have in Quarless or Williams. We can focus on this Defense and Oline now that we don't have to worrie about getting a Top TE in the draft.
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#25 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 8:30:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
As I understand, if we had cut him, there would have been a $3 million + cap hit. I wish he could have been restructured for a lower cap number and longer term, but what's done is done. All we can do is hope for Finley to snap out of the dropping thing. The good news, of course, is a lot of players really come through big in their contract season. The bad news is if that does happen, it will be extremely difficult to keep him beyond this season.


It was my understanding we would have only eaten $0.5M, and realized $8.25 off of our cap. That is a lot of money with those 3 re-signings looming.

I realize it is just one year, but, wouldn't you have rather signed Elvis Dumervil to be opposite Matthews, like the Ravens now have opposite Suggs, and just draft another TE? How about front loading a Raji Re-signing? Or Matthews?

How many years has Finley had to prove himself?

I like Ted Thompson, and I'm grateful to have him as our GM, but the guy does make his mistakes like any other GM will. Calling any of those out is blasphemy. Oh well. I guess now he will be more committed, more dedicated to knowing his routes, and he won't drop as many passes.

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7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

23h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower