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Pack93z  
#41 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:33:42 AM(UTC)
How I truly view this.. this is a bridge type contract.

If Finley plays well this season or not.. I think he will out price himself in Green Bay. Either performance result with probably have him out stretching his long term value for the Packers. He will only be 27... and will be seeking his career payday.

So... the Packers will hope one of the guys on the roster pan out or will inject another player via the draft or UDFA that will bolster the numbers at TE. Williams and Quarless are in the must prove it sector of their career in GB.. or the Packers will force it.

But if the draft falls right.. the Packers land a impact player at Tight end.. I could see the Packers moving Finley in a trade. They have already absorbed his roster bonus.. and he would have a very manageable contract for someone to undertake. I could see someone giving up some value to obtain Finley's potential and talents.. might not be a high round pick but mid round potential for sure.

Either way.. there is little doubt that Finley value ratio favors him currently.. but as Porky noted.. it has no long term impact.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#42 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:54:47 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
First, you have a heavy bias against Jermichael Finley over gloves, so your take is quite tainted.
Second, yes, $8.5 is too much for Jermichael Finley, as who said several times, oh, that was me.
Finally, what I am also saying is he's not a pile of garbage like some are insinuating and that he's a complete waste of money and Ted Thompson failed in this regard.



Boy do I miss Tyrone Davis, what a consumate professional he was at tight end. I mean Finley makes Tyrone look like Jerry Rice. RollEyes [sarcasm]

When Finley starts catching everything again, and smoking linebackers and safeties we'll be wondering how to get him under the cap.
Dulak  
#43 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:49:49 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Finley has a issue with a PR filter from his mouth to the mic... but beyond that he is a fine football player for the Packers.

Overpaid.. probably slightly.. but lets compare some names on the market.

Zach Miller.. 11m cap number this season.
Veron Davis 8.739
Heath Miller 7.958
Antonio Gates 6.862
Marcedes Lewis 8.25 (however he converted some of the bonus to reduce the cap number this season to 5.75)


By standard of some of these names.. he isn't that far out of whack on the top end of the market.. even though his production in near the top.


vernon davis makes finley look like a preschooler ... geez that guy has some skills ...
Id say 7 mil is fine for finley - I dont get why packers overpays with some people and others that just dont worry about.

DoddPower  
#44 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:48:45 PM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Fair enough. Keller didn't perform admirably last year, but he has been a more reliable receiver than Finley in the years before that.

I think that, if you sign someone in free agency, there's more than enough time to get familiar with a system. Players change teams in FA all the time and just contnue producing the next year. If a guy can join the Patriots offense as a WR and completely grasp what Josh McDaniels wants to do in one off-season, I reckon a TE could get our offense figured out and produce.

Maybe you can't build up a chemistry between the QB and receiver that fast, but that's not something I've seen progressing that well between Finley and Rodgers, either.

As for the potential part... The man has been with our team since 2008. He can't get over his problems with drops, maturity and consistency. I was a huge fan of his when he joined us and, for a reasonable price, I'd still give him a chance, but at $8 million, I just don't like the investment.

Right now, I'd rather have a reliable option who doesn't have that much potential. A guy like Martellus Bennett would've been a nice, all-round TE, who's averaging $5 million a year. Not a difference maker, but a good, solid player. But maybe that's more of a personel preference than one you can blame Finley for.

That saves you "just" $3 million, but that is money you could've invested in a player like Adrian Wilson, Bernard Pollard, Antwan Barnes, Kenny Phillips, Leon Washington, Chris Canty etc.

Yes, that's easy to say in hindsight, but the combined contribution of a more afforable TE, who can't be that big of a drop-off from Finley, with one of those players would've helped us more than just Finley alone.

Of course, we still have some money free under our cap, so cutting Finley isn't something we have to do, but even if we just saved up that $3 million, I feel like rolling that over to next year or using it to restructure Matthews and front-load his contract some more would've helped us more than holding on to Jermike.

Lastly, I'll leave you with this. Blegh.

Most overvalued tight ends in 2012:



I would argue that over the 2nd half of last season, Finley DID become more consistent, and Mike McCarthy praised him on this multiple times. If he maintained that level of play for an entire season, he would earn his salary, imo.

As for those other players you listed that we hypothetically "could" have signed with the $3 million saved by cutting Finley and replacing him with a cheaper option, I don't really buy that either. Based on Ted Thompson comments about teams spending "stupid money," etc., I don't believe Ted would have signed any of those guys regardless of anything to do with Finley. I can't prove that, but it's just the feeling I get from reading his comments. It's definitely not as simple as "If Finley was gone, the Packers could have signed X, Y, or Z." Even with Finley staying, if Ted really wanted one of those guys, I'm sure he would have made it work.

Otherwise, I think Finley is better than Keller and Bennett at this point, but as I said that's subjective. I don't mind keeping Finley as a one-year insurance policy that allows other players to develop as I don't see Finley being a Packer beyond the 2013 season. Worst case scenario, at least the Packers have a good/solid (and potentially better) tight-end for the upcoming season that is perhaps getting paid a couple million too much (but that still depends on his performance, which obviously the Packers think he can live up to). After this season, Finley is off the books and has no affect on any of the Packers decisions moving forward. Another contract year may be just what Finley needs.
PackerTraxx  
#45 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:40:54 PM(UTC)
I could see Finley having a very good year, because as mentioned it's his contract year. If he wants to see those big checks keep coming he's going to have to earn it. If he does, we will have gotten our moneys worth. If he doesn't, we over spent for a year, not 3-5 years. I can see this decision.
MintBaconDrivel  
#46 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:47:49 PM(UTC)
PackersNews said:
Press-Gazette sports editor Mike Vandermause offers his take on the Packers opting to keep tight end Jermichael Finley and his $8.25 million price tag for the 2013 season.
PackFanWithTwins  
#47 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:21:09 PM(UTC)
Even at what we consider a down year for him compared to 2011. He was still top 10 in the league for TE. Considering that they were never really able to get things going the way they planned. They went basically the entire season, not having all of the weapons on the field, leaving finley dealing with more coverage. One of the things that make TE like Finley dangerous, is getting them behind the LBers. We haven't been able to do that with him because the LBers play deeper because we had no run threat.

If we can add a reasonable run threat, keep Jones, Nelson and Cobb on the field. that alone should open the lanes for Finley.

And if we are really lucky, Quarless makes it back. He is a good blocker, and a much bigger receiving threat than Crabby was.
PackFanWithTwins  
#48 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:25:52 PM(UTC)
LOL, at the ending.

You have to ask yourself. Are the packers better with or without finley.

the answer is a resounding yes


Hey dipwad. It wasn't a yes or no question.
nerdmann  
#49 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:51:15 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Even at what we consider a down year for him compared to 2011. He was still top 10 in the league for TE. Considering that they were never really able to get things going the way they planned. They went basically the entire season, not having all of the weapons on the field, leaving finley dealing with more coverage. One of the things that make TE like Finley dangerous, is getting them behind the LBers. We haven't been able to do that with him because the LBers play deeper because we had no run threat.

If we can add a reasonable run threat, keep Jones, Nelson and Cobb on the field. that alone should open the lanes for Finley.

And if we are really lucky, Quarless makes it back. He is a good blocker, and a much bigger receiving threat than Crabby was.


Three things hold Finley back.

1: Finley not knowing the offense. Fortunately Arodge has decided to go over the plays with him every Saturday night before games.

2: Drops. Fortunately he started hanging on a little better this year.

3: Aaron trying to force it deep, even when teams are dropping their safeties back to prevent the long pass.

We have plenty of offensive weapons around him. Having this talent around him actually helps him, imo. He'd suck with Tyler Palco or Christian Ponder trying to get him the ball.
blueleopard  
#50 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:21:28 AM(UTC)


In most of these highlights, Finley was the first read.

It's probably because defenses never accounted for him early on, but as anybody would tell you, at the beginning of the 2010 season -- the guy was unstoppable before the injury.

McCarthy adapted and went with the offense that didn't rely much on the tight end. With both Finley and Williams progressing and probably Quarless coming back, along with a deep TE draft, I really wouldn't mind McCarthy going with something similar to NE's offense.
Rockmolder  
#51 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:39:01 AM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
As for those other players you listed that we hypothetically "could" have signed with the $3 million saved by cutting Finley and replacing him with a cheaper option, I don't really buy that either. Based on Ted Thompson comments about teams spending "stupid money," etc., I don't believe Ted would have signed any of those guys regardless of anything to do with Finley. I can't prove that, but it's just the feeling I get from reading his comments. It's definitely not as simple as "If Finley was gone, the Packers could have signed X, Y, or Z." Even with Finley staying, if Ted really wanted one of those guys, I'm sure he would have made it work.


That's the whole point of these hypothetical discussions, though, isn't it? I wasn't really expecting Finley to be cut, either, but that's how I would've done it.
Rockmolder  
#52 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:40:34 AM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWzc-PnvUE

In most of these highlights, Finley was the first read.

It's probably because defenses never accounted for him early on, but as anybody would tell you, at the beginning of the 2010 season -- the guy was unstoppable before the injury.

McCarthy adapted and went with the offense that didn't rely much on the tight end. With both Finley and Williams progressing and probably Quarless coming back, along with a deep TE draft, I really wouldn't mind McCarthy going with something similar to NE's offense.


Wasn't it the year after that that we made him our featured receiver and he proved us that he's no Gronk, Graham, Davis or whatever we envisioned him to be?

I remember Rodgers catching a lot of flak for "forcing it to Finley".
nerdmann  
#53 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:03:26 PM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Wasn't it the year after that that we made him our featured receiver and he proved us that he's no Gronk, Graham, Davis or whatever we envisioned him to be?

I remember Rodgers catching a lot of flak for "forcing it to Finley".


Yes, they were trying to force it to Finley way too much.

Finley had lit up the Cardinals defense in the playoffs the year before, so they thought he was gonna be unstoppable.

Guess he wasn't a stat whoring gold mine after all.
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