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Offline DoddPower  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:10:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
BJ is underrated, imo.


You have high hopes for a BJ, eh? Or you think their under-rated? ;-)

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Offline play2win  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:35:47 PM(UTC)
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Brad Jones does have promise at MLB. Last season was the best I've ever seen from him. 56 Tackles. 2 sacks. 4 PD. 1 FF.

But, those numbers do not correlate to the contract he was given. That's what I do not get. He's going to have to seriously raise his game to earn that. He played the middle last year, and TEs caught passes on us over the middle like crazy last season. With his measureables, he should be good in coverage, 6-3 230 - though I didn't see incredible coverage skills to warrant that kind of contract. Maybe he makes some picks this year.

Hawk's 2010 season might be a good barometer, as his play at MLB was solid. 111 Tackles, 10 PDs, 3 INTs, 0.5 sacks.

Bishop's 2010 was good too. 71 Tackles, 8 PDs, 1 INT, 3 sacks, 2 FFs.
Offline DoddPower  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:44:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Brad Jones does have promise at MLB. Last season was the best I've ever seen from him. 56 Tackles. 2 sacks. 4 PD. 1 FF.

But, those numbers do not correlate to the contract he was given. That's what I do not get. He's going to have to seriously raise his game to earn that. He played the middle last year, and TEs caught passes on us over the middle like crazy last season. With his measureables, he should be good in coverage, 6-3 230 - though I didn't see incredible coverage skills to warrant that kind of contract. Maybe he makes some picks this year.

Hawk's 2010 season might be a good barometer, as his play at MLB was solid. 111 Tackles, 10 PDs, 3 INTs, 0.5 sacks.

Bishop's 2010 was good too. 71 Tackles, 8 PDs, 1 INT, 3 sacks, 2 FFs.


I'm not trying to compare the two situations, but many didn't think Aaron Rodgers earned his first big contract extension after a few games, and it turned out to be a steal for the Packers. Point being, sometimes a GM rolls the dice and wins big, and some times they don't and end up over-paying some. It's the ebb and flow of the business. Players don't always get contracts they deserve, both for the good and the bad of the player/organization. Brad Jones reportedly received a lot of interest from other teams, so the market drove up his price a bit. Again, the nature of the business.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:17:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
You have high hopes for a BJ, eh? Or you think their under-rated? ;-)




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#15 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:19:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Brad Jones does have promise at MLB. Last season was the best I've ever seen from him. 56 Tackles. 2 sacks. 4 PD. 1 FF.

But, those numbers do not correlate to the contract he was given. That's what I do not get. He's going to have to seriously raise his game to earn that. He played the middle last year, and TEs caught passes on us over the middle like crazy last season. With his measureables, he should be good in coverage, 6-3 230 - though I didn't see incredible coverage skills to warrant that kind of contract. Maybe he makes some picks this year.

Hawk's 2010 season might be a good barometer, as his play at MLB was solid. 111 Tackles, 10 PDs, 3 INTs, 0.5 sacks.

Bishop's 2010 was good too. 71 Tackles, 8 PDs, 1 INT, 3 sacks, 2 FFs.


56 tackles in how many games? Keep in mind he didn't see the field until about week 6. Prorated over a full season, those numbers aren't bad.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:03:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Brad Jones does have promise at MLB. Last season was the best I've ever seen from him. 56 Tackles. 2 sacks. 4 PD. 1 FF.

But, those numbers do not correlate to the contract he was given. That's what I do not get. He's going to have to seriously raise his game to earn that. He played the middle last year, and TEs caught passes on us over the middle like crazy last season. With his measureables, he should be good in coverage, 6-3 230 - though I didn't see incredible coverage skills to warrant that kind of contract. Maybe he makes some picks this year.

Hawk's 2010 season might be a good barometer, as his play at MLB was solid. 111 Tackles, 10 PDs, 3 INTs, 0.5 sacks.

Bishop's 2010 was good too. 71 Tackles, 8 PDs, 1 INT, 3 sacks, 2 FFs.


Since their numbers compare, what does that say about the contract Bishop got? He hasn't lived up to what he got.

I think all they need to do is to cut Jones lose this year on defense. At OLB he was opposite matthews, which tended to be more of a play it safe position. Don't let them escape from clay your way. He should be better getting off blocks than Bishop with his pass rush experience, he is bigger and faster, which should help in tackling and coverage. And when they drop to 3LBers in pass downs, it actually gives them extra flexibility. If they want, they can rush Jones while shifting Clay and Perry around the line more.

And having Hawk in on run downs to protect against the big cut back, while Jones attacks the run play. I think they also need to conceed that Hawk will just be a running down LBer, and have him put some weight back on, right around 250. I think Jones has room to put some size on also.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:24:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
If Hawk wouldn't have to be pulled o ff the field on third down, he would have never been asked to take a paycut. I'm linebacker envious of the 49er's. I love Matthews, but we have considerable dropoff after that.



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"In February, McCarthy and Dom Capers, his defensive coordinator, had an extensive conversation about how to improve what had been a lousy defense. They looked at playing-time totals for players from scrimmage and on special teams, and neither liked what they saw."

"Together, they reached the conclusion that too many players had played too many snaps before their most important game of the season against New York."


"Using playing time from the regular season only, official league statistics reveal that 10 members of the defense played more than 800 snaps from scrimmage and on special teams in 2011.

Morgan Burnett led with 1,116 snaps (1,081 on defense, 35 on special teams). Charlie Peprah was next with 1,047 (933, 114), followed by Tramon Williams with 997 (994, three), Charles Woodson with 994 (988, six), Erik Walden with 971 (902, 69), Clay Matthews with 968 (954, 14), B.J. Raji with 932 (872, 60), A.J. Hawk with 885, (880, five), Sam Shields with 856 (735, 121) and Desmond Bishop with 844 (836, eight)."


"McCarthy said Hawk was a better performer playing 65% of the defensive snaps, as he is this year, than playing 80%, as he did last year."

When the team's research people bring McCarthy the playing-time sheets now, he has to be pleased. At position after position, the burden and the hits are being shared, exactly as he hoped they would

General manager Ted Thompson clearly was on board with McCarthy's diagnosis. One reason he selected defensive players with his first six draft choices was to give the coaches the manpower to implement their plan.

"That's why we got those young guys," said McCarthy. "Coming out of training camp I felt like, hey, we might not be starting the season the way we really wanted. But we felt we had to get those guys ready because we wanted to get better at the end of the season."

FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/...y-v17f9o3-177131271.html

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Offline nerdmann  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:45:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Since their numbers compare, what does that say about the contract Bishop got? He hasn't lived up to what he got.

I think all they need to do is to cut Jones lose this year on defense. At OLB he was opposite matthews, which tended to be more of a play it safe position. Don't let them escape from clay your way. He should be better getting off blocks than Bishop with his pass rush experience, he is bigger and faster, which should help in tackling and coverage. And when they drop to 3LBers in pass downs, it actually gives them extra flexibility. If they want, they can rush Jones while shifting Clay and Perry around the line more.

And having Hawk in on run downs to protect against the big cut back, while Jones attacks the run play. I think they also need to conceed that Hawk will just be a running down LBer, and have him put some weight back on, right around 250. I think Jones has room to put some size on also.


Bishop's another run stuffer. With him and Hawk, that's two run stuffers side by side. In a pass happy league.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:47:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
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"In February, McCarthy and Dom Capers, his defensive coordinator, had an extensive conversation about how to improve what had been a lousy defense. They looked at playing-time totals for players from scrimmage and on special teams, and neither liked what they saw."

"Together, they reached the conclusion that too many players had played too many snaps before their most important game of the season against New York."


"Using playing time from the regular season only, official league statistics reveal that 10 members of the defense played more than 800 snaps from scrimmage and on special teams in 2011.

Morgan Burnett led with 1,116 snaps (1,081 on defense, 35 on special teams). Charlie Peprah was next with 1,047 (933, 114), followed by Tramon Williams with 997 (994, three), Charles Woodson with 994 (988, six), Erik Walden with 971 (902, 69), Clay Matthews with 968 (954, 14), B.J. Raji with 932 (872, 60), A.J. Hawk with 885, (880, five), Sam Shields with 856 (735, 121) and Desmond Bishop with 844 (836, eight)."


"McCarthy said Hawk was a better performer playing 65% of the defensive snaps, as he is this year, than playing 80%, as he did last year."

When the team's research people bring McCarthy the playing-time sheets now, he has to be pleased. At position after position, the burden and the hits are being shared, exactly as he hoped they would

General manager Ted Thompson clearly was on board with McCarthy's diagnosis. One reason he selected defensive players with his first six draft choices was to give the coaches the manpower to implement their plan.

"That's why we got those young guys," said McCarthy. "Coming out of training camp I felt like, hey, we might not be starting the season the way we really wanted. But we felt we had to get those guys ready because we wanted to get better at the end of the season."

FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/...y-v17f9o3-177131271.html


I'm not sure what your point is Buckeye. Are you trying to say that Hawk is great in coverage?

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Offline play2win  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:52:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Since their numbers compare, what does that say about the contract Bishop got? He hasn't lived up to what he got.

I think all they need to do is to cut Jones lose this year on defense. At OLB he was opposite matthews, which tended to be more of a play it safe position. Don't let them escape from clay your way. He should be better getting off blocks than Bishop with his pass rush experience, he is bigger and faster, which should help in tackling and coverage. And when they drop to 3LBers in pass downs, it actually gives them extra flexibility. If they want, they can rush Jones while shifting Clay and Perry around the line more.

And having Hawk in on run downs to protect against the big cut back, while Jones attacks the run play. I think they also need to conceed that Hawk will just be a running down LBer, and have him put some weight back on, right around 250. I think Jones has room to put some size on also.


Hey PackFanWithTwins,

Jones seems to have the potential to be close in comparison to Bishop, but I don't think he is there yet. Bishop is the more complete player IMO, with a better nose for the ball. He forces more turnovers, and does a better job of getting to the QB. He's also a better tackler, with 77 and 90 tackles in 12 and 13 starts in 2010/2011.

Losing Desmond Bishop really hurt us last season, and I was happy with Jones' improvement in stepping in for him.

Hawk was great in coverage two seasons ago, and I hope he can get back to that. I'm excited about Manning adding to the competition in the middle too.

If we add another ILB in the draft, the landscape here could change quite a bit, especially if Manning comes through.
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