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Pack93z  
#21 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 10:55:26 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
If they dump the money in a Signing bonus, there is no option on how to structure it, which is why I see them using current cap space and roster bonuses instead. If they put 40 million in a signing bonus over 6 years, that is 6.6million hit per year each of the years. And that can't be restructured later on.

That is how they worked his last contract.


I worded that poorly... very poorly.. what I meant is that upon signing the deal there will be a large real cash bonus attached to it (might be delayed for maybe even a year)... but it may not be accounted for as a "Signing bonus". A roster bonus like they paid out in 2009 (over 7 million) but a very small actual salary for that year.

The cap number was elevated somewhat that year but allowed for the remainder of the deal to be structured with variable base salaries and yearly roster bonuses that provided a large chunk of cash on a certain date.

And yes.. that is how I think they will structure the front of this contract to put his overall number around the mid teens this season (his current 9.75 +), give him a large chunk of real dollars now and allow the Packers long term flexibility over the life of his deal.
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#22 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 11:30:03 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I've heard that it's going to be a 6 year deal averaging $25 million per. I wouldn't even sign Barry Sanders for that money.


Aaron Rodgers is way better and way more valuable than Barry Sanders even in his prime. In addition, QBs have a lot longer span of excellence than RBs - most of the time. As with the example of a contract I wrote earlier, a longer contract is better - 10 years or more, both for the peace of mind of keeping him for his whole career AND because a longer contract is more cap friendly.
Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 11:40:22 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is way better and way more valuable than Barry Sanders even in his prime. In addition, QBs have a lot longer span of excellence than RBs - most of the time. As with the example of a contract I wrote earlier, a longer contract is better - 10 years or more, both for the peace of mind of keeping him for his whole career AND because a longer contract is more cap friendly.


Tread lightly on the Barry Sanders stuff there friend, tread ... lightly. :)
Pack93z  
#24 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 11:42:19 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is way better and way more valuable than Barry Sanders even in his prime. =d> .


I don't have any disagreement with any of the comments.. however Zero "Sanders" 2 cool might have a thing or two to say about this... it is always enjoyable to watch Zero embrace his Barry Sanders fanhood in a fever.

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nerdmann  
#25 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 12:12:37 PM(UTC)
I'd give him a HUGE incentive based around number of first downs. LOL
dhazer  
#26 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 12:57:43 PM(UTC)
Someone please tell me why he is the greatest qb in the league?
Does he lead the league in yards ? NO
Does he lead the league in TDs? NO
Does he lead the league in Passer rating (stupidest stat of all when you look at number 3 and 4 are both rookies so I guess they are the 3rd and 4th best qb in the league) Yes
Did he throw the fewest int's ? Nope RG3 had fewer


His won loss record including playoffs is 56-29 and at the same time you take the so called useless qb in Baltimore and his record for the same time is 60-30 and won a game every year in the playoffs except once. Unlike Rodgers that hasn't one a playoff game but one year.


Yes he is a good qb but is he the far and away best? Not in my mind, For one year I would take Brady and Manning over him and for the long haul I would take Andrew Luck


Those are my thoughts, should he paid in the top tier yes, but claiming him the best by far is looking thru to many green and gold glasses because their is no proof behind it.
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#27 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 1:07:09 PM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
Someone please tell me why he is the greatest qb in the league?
Does he lead the league in yards ? NO
Does he lead the league in TDs? NO
Does he lead the league in Passer rating (stupidest stat of all when you look at number 3 and 4 are both rookies so I guess they are the 3rd and 4th best qb in the league) Yes
Did he throw the fewest int's ? Nope RG3 had fewer


His won loss record including playoffs is 56-29 and at the same time you take the so called useless qb in Baltimore and his record for the same time is 60-30 and won a game every year in the playoffs except once. Unlike Rodgers that hasn't one a playoff game but one year.


Yes he is a good qb but is he the far and away best? Not in my mind, For one year I would take Brady and Manning over him and for the long haul I would take Andrew Luck


Those are my thoughts, should he paid in the top tier yes, but claiming him the best by far is looking thru to many green and gold glasses because their is no proof behind it.


Aaron Rodgers does more with less quality around him than Brady or Manning, and probably even Griffin. We'll see about Luck in a few years. Where did ARod rank in those categories last year and the year before? or over the last 3-4 years?

User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#28 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 1:16:18 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Tread lightly on the Barry Sanders stuff there friend, tread ... lightly. :)



Well, excu-u-u-u-use me hahaha. Sanders jitterbugged around better than any runner in my long history of being a football fan. I would consider him to be better than Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, and Adrian Peterson, and right up there with Jim Brown and Gayle Sayers. However, RBs don't usually dominate like QBs. Just look at how the Lions were even with Sanders's greatness - or the Vikings with Peterson or the Bears with Sayers and Payton.

Sorry, but I still consider Rodgers far more valuable and better overall in terms of helping his team win.

dhazer  
#29 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 1:35:59 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers does more with less quality around him than Brady or Manning, and probably even Griffin. We'll see about Luck in a few years. Where did ARod rank in those categories last year and the year before? or over the last 3-4 years?



With less quality? You are not serious are you? Name the 2nd and 3rd wr for the Pats or the 2nd and 3rd for Indy when Peyton was there?The Packers were suppose to have the best WR corp in the nfl.

Ok here you go
2011
lead league in yards - No
lead league in tds - no
fewest ints - no
passer rating - yes


2010

yards - no
tds - no
ints - no
passer rating - no

2009

yards - no
tds - no
fewest ints - yes tied with Favre
passer rating - no



what more do you want?

PackFanWithTwins  
#30 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 2:29:56 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers does more with less quality around him than Brady or Manning, and probably even Griffin. We'll see about Luck in a few years. Where did ARod rank in those categories last year and the year before? or over the last 3-4 years?



That exact same comment has been said about Brady by his fans, Manning by his fans. And was said about Favre in his day also, and it is BS for them and BS for Rodgers. We talk about how great or WR group has been, that is not because they are bad players. They all just have teams with different dynamics, they each have had better and worse talent than the others.

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#31 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 5:13:28 PM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
With less quality? You are not serious are you? Name the 2nd and 3rd wr for the Pats or the 2nd and 3rd for Indy when Peyton was there?The Packers were suppose to have the best WR corp in the nfl.

Ok here you go
2011
lead league in yards - No
lead league in tds - no
fewest ints - no
passer rating - yes


2010

yards - no
tds - no
ints - no
passer rating - no

2009

yards - no
tds - no
fewest ints - yes tied with Favre
passer rating - no



what more do you want?



I stand by what I said. Rodgers means more to the Packers success/does more with less surrounding him. The Packers O-Line was mediocre when healthy and awful with the injuries. You literally never saw Rodgers have time to throw without pressure; The running game was non-existent most of the season and upgraded to mediocre at the end with EDS and Harris; And the receivers, while very very good, arguably were made that way by Rodgers. Oh yeah, Gronk and Hernandez after Welker, along with a very good O-Line and plenty of time to throw for the Pats; Harrison, Wayne, and Clark for Indy in Peyton's prime years, along with an excellent O-Line and plenty of time there too.

cheeseheads123  
#32 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 5:39:24 PM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post

For one year I would take Brady and Manning over him

Behind the packers offensive line? That wouldn't make sense
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