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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 4:11:34 AM(UTC)
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Aaron Rodgers has 19 more career touchdown passes than Bart Starr.

Rodgers' single-season career low in touchdown passes, in five starting years: 28.

Starr's single-season career high in touchdown passes, in 14 part- to full-time starting years: 16.
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#2 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 5:25:42 AM(UTC)
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no.

they are different eras with different rules can't compare the two.

Passing game today vs running game then.
16 game season vs 12 and 14 game seasons

1 Championship vs 5 championships incl 2 SB.
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#3 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 5:43:25 AM(UTC)
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Regarding those Championshps ... Bart Starr had how many Hall of Famers on his team? How many does Aaron Rodgers have? Yep, Rodgers doing more with less. Also, Starr's coach was so legendary that the named the Super Bowl trophy after him.

Here's a stat that has no relevance with games played in a season ...
Starr 80.5 qb rating
Rodgers 104.9 qb rating


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The stat doesn't matter.
Starr didn't need to throw so he didn't train himself and his teammates to excel in that area. Many of the incompetitions that pulled his numbers down would be flagged as a penalty today causing the qb rating no harm.
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#5 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 5:53:26 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, everything was different. You just can't say somebody is greater without defining what standards you are talking about, and even then, crossing 50 years is impossible. Let's throw that other Packer QB in here also, at the risk of the haters coming out. The situational difference between Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, and Barry Bonds is tiny compared to Starr, Favre, and Rodgers.

I consider Favre to be the greatest QB, probably the greatest player of all time in the NFL. I consider Rodgers to be far and away the best QB right now. Greatness all time, however, requires duration. Rodgers could be that also, but it will take another 10+ healthy and outstanding years - well, maybe less the way he is performing and the way the game is played now.

Starr was my childhood, and he was a superb leader and quality person. However, he wasn't the greatest of his time - Unitas was the Aaron Rodgers of his generation; He wasn't the greatest ever factoring in duration; Probably he wasn't even the greatest "winner" of all time. Arguably, he wasn't even the greatest Packer at the time he played. But even with all that he wasn't, I hate to pick against him.

Why not just be happy that we as Packer fans have been blessed with the absolute best quarterbacking over the last 50+ years? I don't think anybody can argue with that.

Yeah, if I'm forced, Rodgers > Starr.
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 6:32:00 AM(UTC)
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It's interesting. While the game has changed in these vastly different eras, the game is essentially the same game. I do think there is an ego to today's game that is a bit different. That era long ago prided itself on overpowering the opponent with smart innovations in the running game and passing game alike, and tough play in execution. The balance seems to have shifted to pass heavy in the Air Coryell era a decade or more after Lombardi's successful run. Today's game is filled with the "genius" of the aerial assault and innovation, to the point where the balance is disrupted. I would venture to say that more of the balanced run/pass teams win more SBs today than the opposite.

I honestly feel that the game today is easier than many OCs make it out to be. Success can be had in today's game by better execution of the run, thereby opening up the passing options in a real balanced offense.

There is a really interesting point to be made here, comparing the Don Coryell led Chargers of 1978 to the Mike McCarthy led Packers of 2010. While Coryell could be heralded rightly as the hallmark of passing innovation, he never forgot the importance of running the football. NOBODY thinks about how Don Coryell ran the ball, and what that did for his passing game.

1978 SD: 590 ATT for 2029 yds
2010 GB: 421 ATT for 1606 yds

The Chargers led the league in passing for 6 consecutive years, from 1978-1983. Everyone knows this as the "Air Coryell" era, and many OCs/HCs in today's game point to Coryell as their inspiration in their passing acumen. No one really looks at how he ran the ball.

1978 SD: 590 ATT for 2029 yds
1979 SD: 481 ATT for 1668 yds
1980 SD: 509 ATT for 1879 yds
1981 SD: 481 ATT for 2005 yds
1982 SD: 267 ATT for 1121 yds (9 games strike shortened season, 30 ATT per game)
1983 SD: 423 ATT for 1536 yds

Let's look at the Packers stats through the last 6 years under Mike McCarthy:

2007 GB: 338 ATT for 1597 yds
2008 GB: 437 ATT for 1805 yds
2009 GB: 438 ATT for 1885 yds
2010 GB: 421 ATT for 1606 yds
2011 GB: 395 ATT for 1598 yds
2012 GB: 433 ATT for 1702 yds

Only once in that 6 year span did Coryell rush fewer times (which was still 26 ATT per game) than McCarthy's peak of 438 ATT.

Even in 1996 under Mike Holmgren, with Favre as our QB, we went 465 ATT for 1838 yds. Won the SB that year.

I'd rather have 5 Championships running the ball than 1 passing the ball.
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Regarding those Championshps ... Bart Starr had how many Hall of Famers on his team? How many does Aaron Rodgers have? Yep, Rodgers doing more with less. Also, Starr's coach was so legendary that the named the Super Bowl trophy after him.

Here's a stat that has no relevance with games played in a season ...
Starr 80.5 qb rating
Rodgers 104.9 qb rating




I would say this stat comparison points to the importance of running the ball and defense. Fundamental football.

If we add a legit running game and a powerful defense to Aaron Rodgers, we would be nearly impossible to beat.
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
The stat doesn't matter.
Starr didn't need to throw so he didn't train himself and his teammates to excel in that area. Many of the incompetitions that pulled his numbers down would be flagged as a penalty today causing the qb rating no harm.


Since you don't want stats ... here's a fact. Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than Bart Starr was.
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#9 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 7:04:33 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Since you don't want stats ... here's a fact. Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than Bart Starr was.


True, but don't rub it in hahaha. That was then and this is now.

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#10 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 7:27:51 AM(UTC)
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Aaron IS the better QB. No question. Overall success is more determined by the Head Coaches.

Mike McCarthy > Vince Lombardi?

Ultimate success is measured by Championships.
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