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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:20:01 PM(UTC)
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Eric Galko, Optimum Scouting Sporting News has GB taking OLB Barkevious Mingo in the first round. He is a little small but quick. I love his name.

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Barkevious Mingo*, DE/OLB, LSU
Height: 6-4. Weight: 241. Arm: 33.68.
40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2013): Top-20 Pick.


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3/2/13: Mingo had a disappointing season which has proven that he should be a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL. The junior is very undersized and not strong enough to be a 4-3 end. However, Mingo could play 4-3 outside linebacker in a role similar to the Broncos' Von Miller.

8/27/12: Mingo is a fabulous athlete and a pure speed-rusher. The sophomore was constantly making plays in the backfield last season.


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combine results:
Barkevious Mingo*, DE/OLB, LSU
Height: 6-4. Weight: 241
40 time 4.58
bench press -
vert leap 37.0
Broad Jump 128
Shuttle 4.39
3Cone 6.84

Nick Perry DE Southern California
height 6-3 weight 271
40 time 4.55
bench press 35
vert leap 38.5
Broad Jump 124
Shuttle 4.66
3Cone 7.25


If Perry is healthy I don't see GB needed to pick up Mingo. He certainly is too light to play DE and I can't see GB moving Perry back to the DL.
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#2 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 9:24:45 PM(UTC)
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Sounds like a guy who'd be able to cover, as well as get to the QB.

If he's undersized, they'd probably want him backing up Clay on that side. The theory is that you want your beefier guy on the L of the defense, because that's the side teams will tend to run toward.

Still, I'd LOVE to get another competent OLB.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:06:33 AM(UTC)
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After losing Erik Walden, the top backup at OLB, the Packers need a solid OLB 3 to fill that void.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:15:25 AM(UTC)
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I was thrilled with how Nick Perry was starting to play before he went IR, but I agree the depth behind him is lacking. I would be happy for GB to get this player. Quality behind Perry and Matthews.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:16:11 AM(UTC)
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and you would spend a 1st round pick to get a #3 OLB?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:24:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
and you would spend a 1st round pick to get a #3 OLB?


If you're talking to me, I didn't say I'd use a specific round pick on selecting him. I said with Erik Walden gone, they need a new 3 OLB to replace him. I am fairly close to 100% ignorant on draft predictions. I gave that up when I was upset that the Packers took Greg Jennings instead of Chad Jackson. ESPN fooled me into thinking they got it wrong. I haven't tried a draft prediction or gotten upset over a draft selection since.

To answer your question. I would not use a first round draft pick on someone to fill a backup role, unless I had an aging QB and it was a QB. Everyone knows that QB is the most important players and people on this small planet.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:45:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
and you would spend a 1st round pick to get a #3 OLB?


Hey wpr,

You probably know how badly I want us to draft DE and NT as priorities, but the draft is big, and if they feel Mingo is that good to take R1, and address DE and NT R2-4 that's fine. I trust them there.

We've been without both quality play opposite Matthews and without Matthews himself. I see that backup OLB is pretty important in Green Bay.

I'm trusting Ted will slot his picks well. This is an important draft for him and his team.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:48:57 AM(UTC)
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No Kevin I was not specifically talking to you. Just the board in general. I was was saying last night I like Mingo. He is a little small but he is young and will add some beef over the next few years. I just don't see GB having a position for him and using a #1 pick to have him fill in doesn't make a whole lotta of sense. If Perry is more seriously injured then everything changes.
I am not a draft expert no where near one. That said I simply do not understand where some of the so called draft experts come up with their picks. It is as if they have no idea who is already on the team or what the HC is trying to run for an offense and defense.

If Billy Bob McLenty does something like this I have no issues with him. He doesn't go to the combines. He doesn't talk to the coaching staffs for all 31 teams and Jacksonville. When a major publication like TSN puts this out I question it. Still left on his board is Dante Jones. He would make more sense. Travis Frederick and Barrett Jones aren't even taken in the first 2 rounds.

I hate his pick of Logan Ryan in the 2nd round as well. He uses GB's first 2 picks in areas that are not their greatest needs. I even question if these players are even the BPA at the time.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:59:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Hey wpr,

You probably know how badly I want us to draft DE and NT as priorities, but the draft is big, and if they feel Mingo is that good to take R1, and address DE and NT R2-4 that's fine. I trust them there.

We've been without both quality play opposite Matthews and without Matthews himself. I see that backup OLB is pretty important in Green Bay.

I'm trusting Ted will slot his picks well. This is an important draft for him and his team.


See I trust Ted knows what he is doing. If a "top 20" player falls to him I am sure he will take him. Mingo can't play on the DL but Ted would pick up a player of quality when he is there. I am not convinced that Eric Galko knows what he is doing. I took a very quick look at about a dozen "Big Boards" and Mingo is in the top 20 on all of them. So I am not saying he is not a quality player at all. Merely if GB does take him what do they do with Perry?
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:03:56 AM(UTC)
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I don't see it happening, but you never know.

I'd like for it to happen, as this is one of those positions that, as a team, you can never have enough of.

The Giants had that figured out and it won them two Super Bowls, the first one pretty much on the strength of their pass rush alone.

That 2007 team was 3 deep at DE with Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiora. Next to that, they had guys on their roster like Kiwanuka and Robbins.

I'd love for us to pick another DE/OLB early on. Players get injured, players just get tired... When your pass rush drops, the entire defense turns to pieces. Even if you have Revis on one side and Sherman on the other.

If you can pull Matthews to keep him fresh and still get some pressure on the passer from the OLB position, it gives you such a big advantage. You can keep a playmaker fresh 'till far in the 4th when those O-linemen have played full-time. You can mix it up and get a speed rusher like Mingo one play and Matthews bullying that T the next, you can get all three on the field on the same time in obvious passing situations, may it be with Perry with his hand on the ground, replacing an ILB, going with the 1-5-5 or whatever.

Lastly, if one of them do bust, you have yourself some insurance. Not that you draft with that reason in mind, but it could very well happen.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:05:35 AM(UTC)
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Let me add to that, JPP is the poster child as to why you do pull the trigger on a guy like Mingo in this situation.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:13:23 AM(UTC)
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:15:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
I don't see it happening, but you never know.

I'd like for it to happen, as this is one of those positions that, as a team, you can never have enough of.

The Giants had that figured out and it won them two Super Bowls, the first one pretty much on the strength of their pass rush alone.

That 2007 team was 3 deep at DE with Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiora. Next to that, they had guys on their roster like Kiwanuka and Robbins.

I'd love for us to pick another DE/OLB early on. Players get injured, players just get tired... When your pass rush drops, the entire defense turns to pieces. Even if you have Revis on one side and Sherman on the other.

If you can pull Matthews to keep him fresh and still get some pressure on the passer from the OLB position, it gives you such a big advantage. You can keep a playmaker fresh 'till far in the 4th when those O-linemen have played full-time. You can mix it up and get a speed rusher like Mingo one play and Matthews bullying that T the next, you can get all three on the field on the same time in obvious passing situations, may it be with Perry with his hand on the ground, replacing an ILB, going with the 1-5-5 or whatever.

Lastly, if one of them do bust, you have yourself some insurance. Not that you draft with that reason in mind, but it could very well happen.


thank you. Makes sense to me. I come here and look for answers.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:01:01 AM(UTC)
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Every place I've seen him, he has been rated much higher. So it would really be indicative as to whether Ted Thompson really drafts BPA. If he were available it would be nice to see a trade for a high 2nd and next years 1st to another team. Or even a high 3rd and 4th and next years 1st as I believe we could load up on OL, S, 3-4 DE,RB and WR. Then we would also have an extra #1 next year to work with. Long term I think that would put us in a good position.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:08:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
Every place I've seen him, he has been rated much higher. So it would really be indicative as to whether Ted Thompson really drafts BPA. If he were available it would be nice to see a trade for a high 2nd and next years 1st to another team. Or even a high 3rd and 4th and next years 1st as I believe we could load up on OL, S, 3-4 DE,RB and WR. Then we would also have an extra #1 next year to work with. Long term I think that would put us in a good position.


I looked at a bunch of Big Boards this morning. I tried to stick to major publications. someone had him at 19. Almost everyone else had him around 15-16. There was one who had him at 11. I did it so quick and didn't document who said what so I can not tell who.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:09:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
I don't see it happening, but you never know.

I'd like for it to happen, as this is one of those positions that, as a team, you can never have enough of.

The Giants had that figured out and it won them two Super Bowls, the first one pretty much on the strength of their pass rush alone.

That 2007 team was 3 deep at DE with Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiora. Next to that, they had guys on their roster like Kiwanuka and Robbins.

I'd love for us to pick another DE/OLB early on. Players get injured, players just get tired... When your pass rush drops, the entire defense turns to pieces. Even if you have Revis on one side and Sherman on the other.

If you can pull Matthews to keep him fresh and still get some pressure on the passer from the OLB position, it gives you such a big advantage. You can keep a playmaker fresh 'till far in the 4th when those O-linemen have played full-time. You can mix it up and get a speed rusher like Mingo one play and Matthews bullying that T the next, you can get all three on the field on the same time in obvious passing situations, may it be with Perry with his hand on the ground, replacing an ILB, going with the 1-5-5 or whatever.

Lastly, if one of them do bust, you have yourself some insurance. Not that you draft with that reason in mind, but it could very well happen.


Insurance. That seems greatest in this point, next to zero drop off when Matthews or Perry need a blow. Especially when you consider Ted adds no insurance in FA. He's forced to build his own insurance through the draft with his hard line stance in FA. Great points Rockmolder.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:09:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
If you're talking to me, I didn't say I'd use a specific round pick on selecting him. I said with Erik Walden gone, they need a new 3 OLB to replace him. I am fairly close to 100% ignorant on draft predictions. I gave that up when I was upset that the Packers took Greg Jennings instead of Chad Jackson. ESPN fooled me into thinking they got it wrong. I haven't tried a draft prediction or gotten upset over a draft selection since.

To answer your question. I would not use a first round draft pick on someone to fill a backup role, unless I had an aging QB and it was a QB. Everyone knows that QB is the most important players and people on this small planet.


Dez Moses will have an offseason to develop. He can play, imo.

Be nice to have a starter and a competent backup on both sides.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:31:29 AM(UTC)
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Yesss. You cannot have enough Pass rushers. But.. and this is a big but. We need some pass rushers in the interior line as well. We run the 2-4-5 scheme consistently. (going off of 2012 season)
Right now our best interior pass rushers, imo, are Mike Neal and B.J. Raji. Small list ay? Last year it seems like we got nothing when we had 3 down lineman on 3rd down and long. And basicly they were liability's.. no pass rush whats so ever.

We need to draft either a Saftey or a Defensive Lineman. Period.

Mingo. He will be gone by then. I only see Ted drafting him by trading up. And he's not someone I think he would do so for imo.

Nick Perry will do just fine. They rushed him in to fast last year. Got some experience under his belt. I think he may shine this year. He's a physical freak, he's raw as fuck. Give him time and he will put the rest of the dreaded, "The Packers need someone opposite of Clay Matthews."

But to be honest we can get all we need in this draft. Saftey, Linebacker, and Defensive Line. I'm sure Ted will put his thinking cap on this year and make the right picks to insure us victory for many games this season.


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#19 Posted : Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:16:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Nick Perry will do just fine. They rushed him in to fast last year. Got some experience under his belt. I think he may shine this year. He's a physical freak, he's raw as fuck. Give him time and he will put the rest of the dreaded, "The Packers need someone opposite of Clay Matthews."



Nick Perry is a beast. I expect him to develop into a good and possibly very good pass rusher in the NFL, eventually. He certainly has all of the physical skills necessary to do so, he just has to put it all together. I expect him to.

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