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Offline macbob  
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:32:56 PM(UTC)
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LIke just about everything about Jerkmichael, this article had a number of little things that made me grit my teeth, including his agent there at the end:

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Baratz said he apologized to both Finley and Rodgers.

“(But) really to Jermichael because he got dragged into something he had nothing to do with,” Baratz said. “That’s what I was apologetic about, not necessarily what I said...


Glad to hear Jerkmichael has decided to work out a little harder this offseason. Too bad the branding company doing his 18 min documentary didn't film him last year, too.

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GREEN BAY – Jermichael Finley wants to be like Tony Gonzalez. If he succeeds, the Green Bay Packers’ offense will be even more dangerous than last season, even without free-agent wide receiver Greg Jennings, now a member of the rival Minnesota Vikings.

Finley joined Paul Allen, the radio play-by-play voice of the Vikings, on Twin Cities radio station KFAN Wednesday morning and held forth on a variety of subjects, including which player he emulates. After being compared to Antonio Gates by guest Corey Chavous, Finley went a different direction.

“The tight end I would like to mimic is Gonzalez. He’s consistent,” Finley told Allen. “That’s where I would like to take my game.”

Last month, Gonzalez informed the Atlanta Falcons that he would return in 2013 after saying during the season he was 95 percent sure he would retire after the 2012 season. The future Pro Football Hall of Famer, who turned 37 in February, led the Falcons with 93 catches for 930 yards and eight touchdowns last season, all single-season highs for his four seasons in Atlanta. He added 14 catches for 129 yards and two touchdowns in the team's two playoff games.

Gonzalez, who played his first 12 seasons with the Kansas City Chiefs, is a 13-time Pro Bowl selection, has more receptions, TD receptions, receiving yards, 100-yard games and Pro Bowl appearances than any tight end in NFL history.

Finley came on strong in the second half of last season and finished with 61 receptions – most by a tight end in Packers history – for 667 yards and two touchdowns. His cap number for 2013 is $8.25 million, having received a $3 million roster bonus on March 26 to go with a $4.45 million base salary, according to NFL Players Association data, and other bonuses. Finley signed a two-year deal, $14 million before hitting free agency in February 2012.

Speaking with Allen, Finley said being the highest paid tight end in the NFL in 2013 won’t affect him.

“Fat and happy, I would never. You could give me $100 mil. I would never get fat and happy,” said Finley, who also spoke about “slimming down” this offseason. Finley was listed at 247 pounds last year.

I’m just working a little bit harder. Slimming down,” Finley said. “I didn’t try to do it; it’s just how it worked.”

Finley appeared with his agent, Blake Baratz, and is apparently having a documentary done about him. Baratz said it’s being done by a branding company called Full Circle Intermedia and compared it to HBO’s Hard Knocks. The camera crew was with them inside the KFAN studio.

“They’re going to put on an 18-minute series on Jermichael and his life,” Baratz said. “It’s not scripted, it’s not planned. Everybody is going to see what he’s like – good, bad and indifferent. … That’s what the fans want to see. They don’t want to see the scripted press conferences.”

Finley spoke about a few other topics, including:

On the return of inside linebacker Desmond Bishop, a Baratz client who missed last season with a torn hamstring: “Desmond is a big asset to our defense. It was much needed last year. He got injured. That happens in the league. The Packers had to replace him, but you can’t replace a guy like Desmond Bishop. Hopefully he comes back healthy and comes back with a bang.”

On Jennings joining the Vikings: “He’s going to be a big playmaker. I see Christian Ponder being a great quarterback next year. You get a guy like Greg Jennings, who’s going to detail every aspect of his game and (Ponder’s), Greg is not only a great player; he’s a great person also. … I would think Greg will be a big help for Christian. He’s going to be in his ear like a little gnat. It’s going to be nice to see.”

On how losing Jennings hurts the Packers: “He’s a great player, but we’ve got a lot of guys on the shelf right now (in Green Bay). And you know the mastermind of Ted Thompson. … (And) we’ve got the best quarterback in the league.”

On linebacker Brian Urlacher leaving the Chicago Bears: “It’ll be awesome, because he’s one of those guys who’s savvy. He’s going to read the offense and pretty much knows our playbook in and out. It’ll be nice to have him out of the NFC (North). … He’s had injuries here and there. I would say he’s slowed up a little, but he still had the knowledge to overcome the slow step that he had. He knows the game, so he can overcome being slow.”

Meanwhile, Baratz was asked about his Tweet from last season, which questioned quarterback Aaron Rodgers’ leadership. Baratz said he apologized to both Finley and Rodgers.

“(But) really to Jermichael because he got dragged into something he had nothing to do with,” Baratz said. “That’s what I was apologetic about, not necessarily what I said. … Everyone just attached it to him because he’s said so many comments regarding Aaron Rodgers.”

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#2 Posted : Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:20:51 PM(UTC)
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Whatever it is, it is. I have grown indifferent to Finley's talk. Just catch the rock. A few years ago Packer fans would have been falling all over someone if they set the GB record for the most receptions by a TE.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:21:20 PM(UTC)
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He's the highest paid TE in the league? That just bothers me for some reason.
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Offline Dulak  
#4 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 4:29:21 AM(UTC)
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and we are paying finley this much again why? - because he catches a lot of balls right? ... is that good? is a good run blocker? ...

oh I know its because he does that pointy arm thing after he catches 1 pass a game ...

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#5 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 5:35:38 AM(UTC)
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It is clear Jermichael Finley has value to the Packers offense. I can't say it's highest TE pay value though. 2012 season, Finley was 3rd with 61 receptions on the Packers even when he was suffering a shoulder injury during a portion of the first half of the season. More than half of his receptions resulted in first downs too.

I don't quite get the sentiment that Finley is trash garbage. Is he worth $8-$9 million? I don't think so. I do think Finley has value to the team, just more in the $5 million per year range, with incentives.
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#6 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 7:09:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
It is clear Jermichael Finley has value to the Packers offense. I can't say it's highest TE pay value though. 2012 season, Finley was 3rd with 61 receptions on the Packers even when he was suffering a shoulder injury during a portion of the first half of the season. More than half of his receptions resulted in first downs too.

I don't quite get the sentiment that Finley is trash garbage. Is he worth $8-$9 million? I don't think so. I do think Finley has value to the team, just more in the $5 million per year range, with incentives.


http://www.nfl.com/fanta...ll/rankings#tabset=pr-te
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te
http://bleacherreport.co...op-50-tight-ends/page/34

His 2012 performance ranked him around #13-18 in the NFL at TE... He had all of -TWO- TDs in 2012. Down year, with the shoulder injury. That had to affect his play some. Played better towards the end of the season, but not to his contract value. I agree.

Maybe this year we see what they have been clinging to with Finley.

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#7 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 7:37:25 AM(UTC)
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It became pretty obvious it was going to be Jennings or Finley this year, Packers could not afford both.

JF may be the highest paid TE this year, but if he doesn't produce, he will either take a pay cut next year or will be gone.

Losing Jennings and Finley the same year,IMHO, would have been just to much.

Ted might have overpaid to keep Finley this year, only time will tell, but it's not like his salary is going to effect any other signings this year, and by next year, The Packers will know just how much they can pay Finley if they want to keep him.

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#8 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 7:55:37 AM(UTC)
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I think referencing Finley's statistics in order to determine his value to the team only tells part of the story. Every year he is treated by opposing Defensive Coordinators as the most feared target in our receiving corp. The entire group benefits from his presence on the field even when he isn't thrown to. I'm not a cap expert, but in my opinion his value to us is huge, so I am OK with whatever they pay him.

He almost always receives bracket coverage over the middle of the field, and if split out wide in the redzone the corner assigned to him gets safety help. Also, if a team chooses not to give Finely all kinds of attention (something I can only remember happening consistently once at Chicago in 2011) he recorded 7 catches for 85 yards and 3 TDs!

I think it is also possible though, that the Packers are kind of in a bind with Finley. He has the tools to be the most dominant TE in the league, and if you don't pay him you're leaving him for the competition. I personally would much rather see him in green and gold than see him across the line of scrimmage.

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#9 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 8:04:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: StoicFire Go to Quoted Post
I think referencing Finley's statistics in order to determine his value to the team only tells part of the story. Every year he is treated by opposing Defensive Coordinators as the most feared target in our receiving corp. The entire group benefits from his presence on the field even when he isn't thrown to. I'm not a cap expert, but in my opinion his value to us is huge, so I am OK with whatever they pay him.

He almost always receives bracket coverage over the middle of the field, and if split out wide in the redzone the corner assigned to him gets safety help. Also, if a team chooses not to give Finely all kinds of attention (something I can only remember happening consistently once at Chicago in 2011) he recorded 7 catches for 85 yards and 3 TDs!

I think it is also possible though, that the Packers are kind of in a bind with Finley. He has the tools to be the most dominant TE in the league, and if you don't pay him you're leaving him for the competition. I personally would much rather see him in green and gold than see him across the line of scrimmage.



That is the weird part about it. When will the light go on with the guy? This year with the Packers, or after he dons another uniform? Or, will it ever?

He has enormous potential, and does create great matchup problems for any D, just by his mere presence and the threat. I'm hoping this investment pays off for Ted and his staff, and that the guy realizes his true potential this season.
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#10 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 8:12:17 AM(UTC)
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I certainly hope it will affect him into playing like he deserves the money.
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#11 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 8:24:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
It became pretty obvious it was going to be Jennings or Finley this year, Packers could not afford both.

JF may be the highest paid TE this year, but if he doesn't produce, he will either take a pay cut next year or will be gone.

Losing Jennings and Finley the same year,IMHO, would have been just to much.

Ted might have overpaid to keep Finley this year, only time will tell, but it's not like his salary is going to effect any other signings this year, and by next year, The Packers will know just how much they can pay Finley if they want to keep him.



Perhaps overpaid to keep him, and to keep someone else from having him and he reaching his potential with them, against the Packers. Chess?
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#12 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 8:40:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Perhaps overpaid to keep him, and to keep someone else from having him and he reaching his potential with them, against the Packers. Chess?


High stakes "chess" indeed.

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#13 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 9:08:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Perhaps overpaid to keep him, and to keep someone else from having him and he reaching his potential with them, against the Packers. Chess?


Vikes could have paid for him... and I think they would have.
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#14 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 10:03:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Vikes could have paid for him... and I think they would have.


I considered taking a jab at the Vikes in my first comment, saying something along the lines of "I'd rather see him in green and gold than twice a year in purple." Opted against it in spite of their penchant for signing ex-Packers.

I'm not so sure they would have paid for him though. As it stands Kyle Rudolph is a stud and Christian Ponder's favorite target, so I don't see Finley being too high on their wish-list. I think the only interest from within division would probably be Chicago.
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#15 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 10:11:49 AM(UTC)
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I can't wait til Finley moves on, then the fan base finds a new target for their complaints.. at least Bush has gotten some reprieve.

Poor freaking AJ Hawk then will be on the front line all by himself. Big Grin

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I can't wait til Finley moves on the fan base finds a new target for their complaints.. at least Bush has gotten some reprieve.

Poor freaking AJ Hawk then will be on the front line all by himself. Big Grin


It is unfortunate that there always seems to be that guy with the target on his back. I understand that sometimes it is entirely deserved, but not every year. Times are pretty good in Packer country right now... it's not like we have to deal with guys like Ahmad Carroll anymore...
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Originally Posted by: StoicFire Go to Quoted Post
It is unfortunate that there always seems to be that guy with the target on his back. I understand that sometimes it is entirely deserved, but not every year. Times are pretty good in Packer country right now... it's not like we have to deal with guys like Ahmad Carroll anymore...


Or late-career Bubba "Stonehands" Franks. Although Finley's tried to emulate him at times.
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
It became pretty obvious it was going to be Jennings or Finley this year, Packers could not afford both.

JF may be the highest paid TE this year, but if he doesn't produce, he will either take a pay cut next year or will be gone.

Losing Jennings and Finley the same year,IMHO, would have been just to much.

Ted might have overpaid to keep Finley this year, only time will tell, but it's not like his salary is going to effect any other signings this year, and by next year, The Packers will know just how much they can pay Finley if they want to keep him.



I guess I don't understand how contracts work in the nfl ... so assuming the above is true; that makes sense ...
guess Id of done the same thing - Jennings being the weaker link so keep the one and pay him a bit more so you got that guarantee

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The Packers were stuck here because both Jennings and Finley had to be dealt with in the same year. Jennings at 31 was going to go for as much as he could get plus for as many years as he could get.

They had Finley as a bird in the hand but only by virtue of paying him the $3 mil and with Jennings gone they had no choice really. Considering they are much deeper at WR than TE they played it the best they could.

Ted has made no move to extend Finley though (although he may down the road but I have my doubts) so I could see a TE like Ertz being in the cards. Finley is going to play his butt off knowing he can hit FA and once again look to get overpaid after next year. Also, you throw in that prick for an agent Finley has and him sticking around even looks less likely.

Ted has to have a good TE alternative ready or Finley will fall into a position with leverage again or they could end up with no athletic pass catching TE on the roster. Neither option is where Ted wants to find himself.

Ertz can catch AND block. With Finley focused and playing for the future I can see McCarthy coming up with Two TE packages that could really be interesting. At leas for a year.

It's a shame because I would really like Ted to have the option to trade down if the opportunity comes up but if you hear the name Ertz it's because he's thinking the same way I see it.


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#20 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2013 5:22:50 AM(UTC)
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I can't wait til Finley moves on, then the fan base finds a new target for their complaints.. at least Bush has gotten some reprieve.

Poor freaking AJ Hawk then will be on the front line all by himself. Big Grin


Hey Pack93z,

It's not like the criticism is unfounded. I think fans can rightly be upset when an important drive is stopped by a drop, or a TD is missed by a drop. I look at a lot of these guys, hell, all of them, and hope they succeed. I want them to do well, and to be the best in the NFL. They make mistakes and we have to give them that. Everybody does. That's why they play the games.

But, when a player gets beat at his position in a game, and when it becomes a regular thing, either by his own fault or by the play of the opponent, then questions are raised about the player's effectiveness, and his value to the team. Not unlike Jarrett Bush, not unlike AJ Hawk, both great players on many levels, who exhibited deficiencies in coverage and were roundly criticized. Opponents didn't just make a play once on either of them, but they were shown to have been beaten routinely in just this one aspect of their play, costing the team in extended drives and scores.

Same with Finley.

Finley went a half of a season in 2012 with a bunch of key drops and some very public criticism of his relationship with our MVP QB (and it wasn't the first time). Oddly enough Jordy Nelson had a bunch of key drops too. They had about the same number of drops as I recall. However, Nelson had way more attempts, is paid a very reasonable figure on the value scale, and keeps his mouth shut. Jordy Nelson is not out there trumpeting his talents as being the best in the NFL. He's not calling out other top performers at WR in the NFL, saying he is better than them. I think fans are sophisticated enough to make those judgement calls with regards to top performance or under performance on the value scale, and whether or not the player is a positive influence on his team, or if his extraneous stuff and poor play is a distraction.

I think Finley has great potential as a receiver, and as a Packers fan, I would like to see him realize that in the Green & Gold. If he doesn't, then I'm not seeing the value. I think he's a horrific blocker with only half hearted effort in that part of his game. That is an important part of a TE's game, and that doesn't help his perceived value. I hope he cleans that up too. I want him to do well. I want him to win as a Packer, and to be a key contributor to our team's success.

Bush turned things around by becoming one of the top STs performers in the NFL. His coverage has improved over the last three seasons too.

Hawk has shown he can be a complete MLB with his play in 2010. He slipped greatly in coverage and in creating TOs over the last two seasons, and took a pay cut to increase his overall value to the team. Now, his pay is a bit more commiserate with his play. He's still a great leader on this team.

What has Finley done?
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Finley unfortunately lacks concentration on the field, some drops he did we're really pathetic for a NFL caliber TE. I'm not saying he shouldn't drop any but when his got no one around him and can't hold on to the ball that's sad.

This is the year for Finley to shine, if he doesn't expect him to be gone next year!
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#22 Posted : Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:23:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I can't wait til Finley moves on, then the fan base finds a new target for their complaints.. at least Bush has gotten some reprieve.

Poor freaking AJ Hawk then will be on the front line all by himself. Big Grin


there will always be someone to take his place.

Sherrod is on deck. Newhouse and Buaga are not far behind. Lang holds a special place in many hearts.

All RB will get some complaints.

The whole DL gets flack from time to time.

Jennings and McMillian

And then there is Crosby.

In short any one not named Aaron or Clay are subjected to complaints and even they are not immune. Stat whores.
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