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Offline jdlax  
#41 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:08:41 AM(UTC)
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When we were younger, I remember riding with my brother in the backseat of our minivan. Being older, I'm kinda bugging him, giving him a hard time about something. He calls me a dick. I ask him if he knows how to spell it. D-A-K, he says. Isn't that funny, NodakPaul?

:D

Sorry for that, all.
Offline NodakPaul  
#42 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:55:38 AM(UTC)
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It's no coincidence that the teams hoisting the big trophy at the end all chuck it pretty damn good.


Yeah, like Brad Johnson when he won with Tampa Bay. Oh wait no... I must have been thinking about Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. No wait, that's not it either... Let's see, the Bears made it to the big game because Grossman played so... good?

Well Manning is great... but for some reason he only has one ring - and that was against the Bears. Fav-re was pretty damn good, but when was the last time he got a ring? The Pats broke Minnesota's record for most points scored in a single season last year. Coincidently neither team got a ring when they did so.

History is riddled with teams who are successful with a great defense but average offense. Having a great passing game is NOT the sole way to a SB birth.


Wait a second. This isn't the first time I've heard a Viking fan compare their team to those teams but that defense isn't on the level of Baltimore's or Tampa Bay's from those Super Bowl years. Their defensive line maybe but Derrick Brooks or Ray Lewis isn't there.

Tampa Bay had a nice passing game the year they won the Super Bowl. Johnson threw for over 3,000 yards and 22 touchdowns. Also only 6 picks when I looked it up which is amazing. Keyshaun Johnson was a pretty good receiver too something Minnesota really doesn't have.

You strike me as someone who is a realist. Do you think that defense can be like the Ravens? If not then do you think Jackson can have a season like Brad Johnson?

For Minnesota to win the Super Bowl I think one of those things need to happen.


Honestly, I think that the Minnesota Defense, while good, isn't on par with the Ravens or TB from the SB days. Nor do I have much faith in TJack. I agree that one of those two things needs to happen for Minnesota to make the super bowl. Is it possible? Sure. But I am not booking my hotel in Tampa just yet...

However, this thread isn't about whether or not I think the Vikings will make the super bowl. It is about how Minnesota matches up against Green Bay in week 1. And I don't think that the passing game will be strong for either team. The Vikings have a better line, and a very, very good 2nd receiver in Rice, but their QB and overall WR corps are unproven right now. The Packers have a better WR corps and probably a better QB, but an OL that is going to be dominated by the Vikings DL all game long. I stand by my earlier prediction that the running game will be the difference in week 1, and to that I give Minnesota the edge.
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:59:50 AM(UTC)
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When we were younger, I remember riding with my brother in the backseat of our minivan. Being older, I'm kinda bugging him, giving him a hard time about something. He calls me a dick. I ask him if he knows how to spell it. D-A-K, he says. Isn't that funny, NodakPaul?

:D

Sorry for that, all.


I would reply about the WI education system, the inability of cheeseheads to spell, and the fact that I am secure enough in my manhood to laugh off dick jokes.

But since there is no smack here, I won't. :D
Offline warhawk  
#44 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:53:16 AM(UTC)
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Well Nodak, predictions are fine and all but we will still be starting basically the same group we had in there last year so to say now your line will dominate all game long is a stretch for me. I mean one guy we may be missing is a rookie and there has been talk that Spitz may very well be better at center than Wells anyhow. The one time we did have trouble in the line in pre-season Wells had come back in there to start and hadn't had enough work with the first group. Last week, without him, they protected just fine.

If you had improved CB and Safety personnel I would give your optimism more support. But I have seen too many times where a team brings in a big time FA and expects the world and it does not happen.

I mean Allen can't go out and guard DD or Jennings on a quick slant and to date neither can anybody else they have out there. Don't count on him to run over what amounts to a near All-Pro tackle either. Our guy got the best of him in last years matchup as well so when we talk real time experience there is no proof you can "dominate" all game long.

Where is it that the Vikes pass protection has now all of a sudden gotten so good the Pack can expect no success there and your line will dominate in that area as well? McCarthy is not stupid. He's going to load up on AP and then send the horses after TJack and if you don't think they can get after him I believe your mistaken.
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#45 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:17:18 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, like Brad Johnson when he won with Tampa Bay. Oh wait no... I must have been thinking about Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. No wait, that's not it either... Let's see, the Bears made it to the big game because Grossman played so... good?

Well Manning is great... but for some reason he only has one ring - and that was against the Bears. Fav-re was pretty damn good, but when was the last time he got a ring? The Pats broke Minnesota's record for most points scored in a single season last year. Coincidently neither team got a ring when they did so.

History is riddled with teams who are successful with a great defense but average offense. Having a great passing game is NOT the sole way to a SB birth.


I'll actually defend Brad Johnson. He's a quite capable QB. He doesn't turn the ball over and completes passes. Nothing exciting, nothing to write home about, but he gets the job done.

da Bears lost the SB because they couldn't throw. Wrecks Grossman panicked and lost them the game. Well, actually, his dumb ass coach should have pulled him out, but he was too stupid.

Back to Brad Johnson, take a look at his all-time stats. They're a lot nice than people realize. He was a capable QB. Pro Bowl in '99 and '02. 164 TDs vs 117 INTs. 28k+ yards. 83.1 rating. Like I said, nothing exciting, but pretty capable. The guy got the job done. I don't know why people dog the guy.
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#46 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:20:32 PM(UTC)
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Now, in defense of Nodak, a passing D can be greatly improved with the same secondary, but with an improved pass rush. The Giants secondary was not really that good. They were average. Nothing spectacular.

Now, what did they do? They knocked off 3 of the 4 top passing teams to win the SB. How did they do that? With a pass rush.

You can NOT throw the ball when you're on your back and the referee has blown the whistle. Sacks, pressures, hurries. The Giants were good at that. Got in your face. Made you get the ball off. Made you panic. Made you do something you'd later regret. It was their strength.

The Vikings are hoping they can do the same thing. If they can, they'll go farther than us Packer fans would like them to. That's the big if.
Offline bozz_2006  
#47 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:39:33 PM(UTC)
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Vikings pass D wasn't anything special last season, and while they added a great pass rusher, we'll have to wait and see what his effect will be. Judging by preseason, Allen will get his sacks, but i don't think he'll have the ripple effect on the rest of the team as the Vikings were hoping for.
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#48 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:56:59 PM(UTC)
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When we were younger, I remember riding with my brother in the backseat of our minivan. Being older, I'm kinda bugging him, giving him a hard time about something. He calls me a dick. I ask him if he knows how to spell it. D-A-K, he says. Isn't that funny, NodakPaul?

:D

Sorry for that, all.


I would reply about the WI education system, the inability of cheeseheads to spell, and the fact that I am secure enough in my manhood to laugh off dick jokes.

But since there is no smack here, I won't. :D



Well played, Mr. Paul. Well played, indeed. +1

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#49 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:05:44 PM(UTC)
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Vikings pass D wasn't anything special last season, and while they added a great pass rusher, we'll have to wait and see what his effect will be. Judging by preseason, Allen will get his sacks, but i don't think he'll have the ripple effect on the rest of the team as the Vikings were hoping for.




Here's the thing about Allen. If he had come here, we'd all be talking about how the move was Reggie White II. Super Bowl. Bam.

Of course, some would detract, and rightly so. My point is, he could send that team into "dominant" territory. He could, he could also just bump up their team sack totals. I'm leaning towards the former, myself. But, like everything, we'll have to just wait and see.


Hmm. All that to say "wait and see". My bad.
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#50 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:46:07 PM(UTC)
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Here's the thing about Allen. If he had come here, we'd all be talking about how the move was Reggie White II. Super Bowl. Bam.

Of course, some would detract, and rightly so. My point is, he could send that team into "dominant" territory. He could, he could also just bump up their team sack totals. I'm leaning towards the former, myself. But, like everything, we'll have to just wait and see.


Hmm. All that to say "wait and see". My bad.


Agreed PIB.

We're simply not giving Allen any respect because he's a Viking. I'm taking the addition seriously, and I'm sure Mike McCarthy is taking it a lot more seriously than any of us. He'll have to gameplan accordingly, especially if we don't have our starting OL at 100% by then.

Look for Bennett to work with our RBs on blocking especially hard before game 1.
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