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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:56:53 PM(UTC)
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An interesting discussion about the Packers draft and develop philosophy broke out in the comments section of this post the other day. The basic question that came out of the discussion was this: What does draft and develop mean to you? Draft and develop might mean different things to different people. The various meanings appear [...]
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Offline PackerTraxx  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:25:59 PM(UTC)
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It means you better have good coaches. Eh? Angel
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:33:26 PM(UTC)
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It means it is an excuse to not sign quality FAs to round out the team and fill in holes that normally occur in the roster.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:42:49 PM(UTC)
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It means you trust that you drafted quality players who will still become good football players even if they don't make a huge impact in the first year or two.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:10:03 PM(UTC)
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To me it keeps the philosophy that if you work hard and stay loyal the team will reward you. I do think that this philosophy works for the most part in that it makes for greater morale from the players that the team is not always looking for FAs to take your job.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:09:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
To me it keeps the philosophy that if you work hard and stay loyal the team will reward you. I do think that this philosophy works for the most part in that it makes for greater morale from the players that the team is not always looking for FAs to take your job.


This and it also means you have a viable team for the long term, because you don't subject yourself to cap hell.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:17:44 PM(UTC)
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A way to build and maintain a core of players. Hopefully successfully which keeps a team in contention year after year. Combine it with smart and well timed FA and some luck and we can win another SB.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:37:35 AM(UTC)
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I don't like how strict this philosophy is. It means there is more pressure put on young, inexperienced players to fill important gaps in our roster, and the "need" factor then becomes more in play on draft day. At least, it seems that way.

Will we pass on a top WR to fill a DL need this draft in R1? Maybe. Maybe not. Nab that WR and your DL need is still unaddressed going into the 2nd day of the draft. Now, you maybe reach on a day two player to fill a hole, hoping he will not only start, but be a difference maker, where you really need one.

There is risk with this philosophy that could make us miss out on top talent, both in FA and in the draft.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:23:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
It means it is an excuse to not sign quality FAs to round out the team and fill in holes that normally occur in the roster.


Hopefully this is not true. In a couple of cases, I'm sorry to say, I believe it has been. I like building on the draft as a basic philosiphy, but all avenues need to be used to build/better the team.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:45:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
Hopefully this is not true. In a couple of cases, I'm sorry to say, I believe it has been. I like building on the draft as a basic philosiphy, but all avenues need to be used to build/better the team.


I was being just a bit of a smart @ss. But there are times when it seems like the team fails to use every method available to them because they are a "draft and develop" team.

It is really impossible to have every spot on the roster filled with depth backing up all the starters. Sometimes it is better to have the drafted players backing up and one day taking the place of a UFA that they signed.

Then again I have wondered if GB is content with winning the division and being in the playoffs on a consistent basis or spending more money and being a serious contender for a SB.

I could live with a team that was in the SB every 5 years and then had to tear the team down and rebuilt making it back 5 years later over a team that went 11-5 or 10-6 every single year, year after year, only to lose in the playoffs in either round 1 or 2.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:54:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
I don't like how strict this philosophy is. It means there is more pressure put on young, inexperienced players to fill important gaps in our roster, and the "need" factor then becomes more in play on draft day. At least, it seems that way.

Will we pass on a top WR to fill a DL need this draft in R1? Maybe. Maybe not. Nab that WR and your DL need is still unaddressed going into the 2nd day of the draft. Now, you maybe reach on a day two player to fill a hole, hoping he will not only start, but be a difference maker, where you really need one.

There is risk with this philosophy that could make us miss out on top talent, both in FA and in the draft.


For every Albert Haynesworth that Ted passes over, he signs a DuJuan Harris, Dez Moses, Sam Shields. Even an Erik Walden or a Harold Green. Part of the system is that you have great talent evaluators, who are capable of assessing value.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:01:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I was being just a bit of a smart @ss. But there are times when it seems like the team fails to use every method available to them because they are a "draft and develop" team.

It is really impossible to have every spot on the roster filled with depth backing up all the starters. Sometimes it is better to have the drafted players backing up and one day taking the place of a UFA that they signed.

Then again I have wondered if GB is content with winning the division and being in the playoffs on a consistent basis or spending more money and being a serious contender for a SB.

I could live with a team that was in the SB every 5 years and then had to tear the team down and rebuilt making it back 5 years later over a team that went 11-5 or 10-6 every single year, year after year, only to lose in the playoffs in either round 1 or 2.


I agree. I *hate* it when the team loses playoff games.

Especially at home. Remember when the Packers simply did not lose in the playoffs at home?

Actually, I wonder if there is some correlation between this overly (IMO) skewed reliance on draft-and-develop-the-potential approach and the Packers less than stellar "home field advantage" in the Thompson/McCarthy era.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:03:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
For every Albert Haynesworth that Ted passes over, he signs a DuJuan Harris, Dez Moses, Sam Shields. Even an Erik Walden or a Harold Green. Part of the system is that you have great talent evaluators, who are capable of assessing value.


Except, in my opinion, with respect to the OL.

Take away the out-of-the-park-HR that was Josh Sitton, and this personnel department can only seem to find "potential" and "serviceable" on the OL.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:32:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Except, in my opinion, with respect to the OL.

Take away the out-of-the-park-HR that was Josh Sitton, and this personnel department can only seem to find "potential" and "serviceable" on the OL.



I will continue to put blame on the OL coach instead of Ted Thompson. Packers have drafted a lot of OL over the years ... a lot.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post

I could live with a team that was in the SB every 5 years and then had to tear the team down and rebuilt making it back 5 years later over a team that went 11-5 or 10-6 every single year, year after year, only to lose in the playoffs in either round 1 or 2.


Except that isn't how it works and no you wouldn't be content with that anyways. Look at all of the people who are discontent now because we haven't won the Superbowl in just 2 years. The teams that have the best chance at winning the Superbowl are the ones that are more consistent with their roster and stay competitive year after year. It does take a lot of luck to get through a playoff run and win the Superbowl and trying to bet it all on 1 season every few years is the dumbest way to go about it.
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