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Offline play2win  
#46 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:10:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
wow.

I have yet to see anyone on this or any other site including the professional ones like ESPN actually think they know more about than Uncle Ted and the Packer's system or how the Packers evaluate every player.

As for the moaning and groaning that goes on, I suppose you would prefer that fans didn't care what happens. After all we know nothing whatsoever so he should be grateful for anything. There should be no accountability to the fans because we are ignorant. Now go back to 2007. There were plenty of fans that were upset with the Justin Harrell pick. I questioned it but I said, "Hey Uncle Teddy knows what he is doing. He and his staff watched Justin in practice. They sat across the table from him. Those injuries are a thing of the past." Just because we don't know as much as Ted or his people doesn't mean we don't know anything or that we can't think and talk amongst ourselves. After all Ted may be our "Uncle" but we won't get to sit down and discuss any of this with him. Now we can't discuss it with you either.

It is rather silly and condescending for yo to say that you think people expect a draftee will still be avail 3 rounds later. Most of the time people think the player may be 1 round later. On a rare occasion 2 rounds later.

In conclusion I am going to have to write this down and memorize it because I didn't realize it.



I just may have to take my son standing in Afghanistan off my signature and put this one in.


Never take your son's photo off of there. Way too cool!

Screw all this other stuff. It was a much different draft than I was anticipating. Ted went shotgun. Who knew?
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Offline sschind  
#47 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:16:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
wow.

I have yet to see anyone on this or any other site including the professional ones like ESPN actually think they know more about than Uncle Ted and the Packer's system or how the Packers evaluate every player.

As for the moaning and groaning that goes on, I suppose you would prefer that fans didn't care what happens. After all we know nothing whatsoever so he should be grateful for anything. There should be no accountability to the fans because we are ignorant. Now go back to 2007. There were plenty of fans that were upset with the Justin Harrell pick. I questioned it but I said, "Hey Uncle Teddy knows what he is doing. He and his staff watched Justin in practice. They sat across the table from him. Those injuries are a thing of the past." Just because we don't know as much as Ted or his people doesn't mean we don't know anything or that we can't think and talk amongst ourselves. After all Ted may be our "Uncle" but we won't get to sit down and discuss any of this with him. Now we can't discuss it with you either.

It is rather silly and condescending for yo to say that you think people expect a draftee will still be avail 3 rounds later. Most of the time people think the player may be 1 round later. On a rare occasion 2 rounds later.

In conclusion I am going to have to write this down and memorize it because I didn't realize it.



I just may have to take my son standing in Afghanistan off my signature and put this one in.


Maybe its just the way I read things but I have seen plenty of posts and articles that give me the impression that the author thinks they know more than Ted Thompson or any number of GMs. It's not just a Packers thing. Like I said to zero, in another response, you will forgive me if I don't think you are more knowledgeable.

I've said many times that I have no problem with disagreement with or disappointment in TTs picks. I've disagreed with picks and I have been disappointed with picks and I have voiced such in the past. What I don't do is pretend that I know more than the man does because I don't. Again, maybe its just the way I interpret things but a lot of the moaning and groaning that I read about comes from people who do think they know more.

I've seen posts where people say things about a 2nd rounder or a third rounder or a fourth rounder "so and so had them rated in the 6th round" or they could have had him as an undrafted FA. If you can honestly say you have not seen this then you have not been paying attention.



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#48 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:30:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
Maybe its just the way I read things but I have seen plenty of posts and articles that give me the impression that the author thinks they know more than Ted Thompson or any number of GMs. It's not just a Packers thing. Like I said to zero, in another response, you will forgive me if I don't think you are more knowledgeable.

I've said many times that I have no problem with disagreement with or disappointment in TTs picks. I've disagreed with picks and I have been disappointed with picks and I have voiced such in the past. What I don't do is pretend that I know more than the man does because I don't. Again, maybe its just the way I interpret things but a lot of the moaning and groaning that I read about comes from people who do think they know more.

I've seen posts where people say things about a 2nd rounder or a third rounder or a fourth rounder "so and so had them rated in the 6th round" or they could have had him as an undrafted FA. If you can honestly say you have not seen this then you have not been paying attention.





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Offline sschind  
#49 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:44:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
It's a great point of view.

Lets remember we are all fans of this great team. As fans, we are all limited, except Zero2Cool, to the stuff we watch, read, or hear from connections to the team.

Compounding the situation is Ted's refusal to add some of the higher level FAs, and us fans are putting greater emphasis and energy into each draft.

I question many of his picks, but I'm also thrilled with many of them. Time will tell. I'm super disappointed with some, but willing to trust his system and talents here.

We are today, a far better team than we were on Wednesday. That I know.


Based on your comments it is obvious zero2cool has inside information that most fans are not privy to. This information may make him more knowledgeable than the average, or even the above average fan but for me to believe that he is even close to Ted Thompson or any other GM when it comes to evaluating talent he would have to be pretty high in the Packers scouting organization. Perhaps he is. If he cares to enlighten me I may be a little more accepting. The thing is though, in the short time I have been here I have been pretty much in agreement with him.

I agree with you. We are all fans of the Packers and we all support them wholeheartedly. Obviously we don't all support it in the same way and that is fine. I have said many times that I do not have a problem with disagreement. When you said :

I question many of his picks, but I'm also thrilled with many of them. Time will tell. I'm super disappointed with some, but willing to trust his system and talents here.

this is what makes sense to me. You do not agree but you acknowledge that, just possibly, Ted Thompson knows what he is doing and maybe he did get it right.

Will he be wrong sometimes, yes he will and when he is I'm all for holding him accountable. If you (not you specifically but any fan) want to crucify him for picking Justin Harrell go ahead. He screwed that one up and he deserves all he gets on it. Time will tell and all I would expect is someone to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to guys that many of us have never heard of. I guess if you want to say he made a bad pick because some schmo on a mock draft website buried on page 34 of a Google search says the guy was not worth a 4th round pick then you are entitled but just remember, there are probably going to be guys out there that think we got a steal. Only time will tell.
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#50 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:05:15 PM(UTC)
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I'm not going to speak for Zero2Cool.

As far as I'm concerned, I hear you on the criticism stuff, but Ted brings a lot of it on himself simply by placing so much importance on the draft. Somewhat indirectly, but his system for talent procurement forces fans to hold more tightly to the draft. As I mentioned, we're all pretty much victims of the info we take in, by whatever means. I think it is pretty important for us all to take a bit of a step back sometimes when it comes to this stuff.

Every GM makes mistakes. I think everyone knows this deep down. I give him those. We are all human.

As far as this draft goes, I like looking at a really big picture here. We had quite a few holes. Ted just signed Rodgers to the richest player contract in NFL history. He has a window for success. We are coming off of two very disappointing finishes to two consecutive seasons following our 2010 SB win. This draft had to have been incredibly important to Ted Thompson.

I believe this may prove to be one of his best drafts ever. And that is saying something with his history. We shall see. He did not fuck around. Many roster positions need improving, and he may have done just that. The players he selected are all bigger, faster, more athletic, with the prerequisite good football instincts and good character for the most part. Give this 3 years and we'll see.
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#51 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:47:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
Maybe its just the way I read things but I have seen plenty of posts and articles that give me the impression that the author thinks they know more than Ted Thompson or any number of GMs. It's not just a Packers thing. Like I said to zero, in another response, you will forgive me if I don't think you are more knowledgeable.

I've said many times that I have no problem with disagreement with or disappointment in TTs picks. I've disagreed with picks and I have been disappointed with picks and I have voiced such in the past. What I don't do is pretend that I know more than the man does because I don't. Again, maybe its just the way I interpret things but a lot of the moaning and groaning that I read about comes from people who do think they know more.

I've seen posts where people say things about a 2nd rounder or a third rounder or a fourth rounder "so and so had them rated in the 6th round" or they could have had him as an undrafted FA. If you can honestly say you have not seen this then you have not been paying attention.





Well they are idiots or morons. Not nerdmann of course. Gotta love nerdmann in all his glory. Keep in mind when yo read a couple of things. Most people are not as adept in communication skills as they should be. And what someone means and what they type and what another person thinks it means are often 3 different things. For example I took you to be more aggressive and confrontation that what you thought you were being. For that I am sorry.

edit- even after Harrell flamed out I don't recall roasting Ted. It was a gamble and it failed. I did revise my opinion as to WHEN to take a gamble. 5th round ok fine. 1st round not fine. Reach a little maybe but out right gamble no.

By and large I do not mind the draft picks. I would have preferred high picks than lower ones but then most people would. It would be great (cap room aside) to have 5 first round picks and nothing else in the draft. I simply said so. I more or less like the guys we have. Picking 10-12 new players means some of them are going away. I am not over excited about that prospect. The lower picks from 4 on down are going to take awhile before they can provide consistent help. I don't like to wait.
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#52 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:06:03 PM(UTC)
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I Was gone all day, just now was able to look and see what Ted did today.
I am willing to bet that Johnson and Dorsey will end up on the PS.
Packers are set at WR with Nelson,Jones Cobb, Boykin and Ross.

LB's Palmer and Barrington both have a good chance of ending up on 53 man roster.

Depending on Perry's health at the beginning of TC, if he is not ready then there will be room for both.

Tackles Baktian and Tretter will have a tough time cracking the 53 man roster, again this depends on the health of Sherrard.

DE's Jones and Boyd,along with RB's Lacey and Franklin IMHO not only will be on the 53 man roster, they all will either start or be in a rotation providing rest for the starters.

CB Micah Hyde will get every shot to make the final roster, he will have only himslf to blame if he ends up on the PS or released.

All in all a pretty productive draft for Ted, anything can happen, but if all play to their potetial, it looks like Ted has beefed up the D-line, vastley improved the RB situation, and added depth to several positions.

Only time will tell if this is an A+ draft or a D draft.
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#53 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:02:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I Was gone all day, just now was able to look and see what Ted did today.
I am willing to bet that Johnson and Dorsey will end up on the PS.
Packers are set at WR with Nelson,Jones Cobb, Boykin and Ross.

LB's Palmer and Barrington both have a good chance of ending up on 53 man roster.

Depending on Perry's health at the beginning of TC, if he is not ready then there will be room for both.

Tackles Baktian and Tretter will have a tough time cracking the 53 man roster, again this depends on the health of Sherrard.

DE's Jones and Boyd,along with RB's Lacey and Franklin IMHO not only will be on the 53 man roster, they all will either start or be in a rotation providing rest for the starters.

CB Micah Hyde will get every shot to make the final roster, he will have only himslf to blame if he ends up on the PS or released.

All in all a pretty productive draft for Ted, anything can happen, but if all play to their potetial, it looks like Ted has beefed up the D-line, vastley improved the RB situation, and added depth to several positions.

Only time will tell if this is an A+ draft or a D draft.


No way Johnson clears waivers. He'd be snapped up before he even makes the PS. Dude's raw, but with his skills he could be utilized right away. Also, I think Tretter will end up beating out EDS for the C position. Heck, van Roten might beat out EDS.
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#54 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I Was gone all day, just now was able to look and see what Ted did today.
I am willing to bet that Johnson and Dorsey will end up on the PS.
Packers are set at WR with Nelson,Jones Cobb, Boykin and Ross.

LB's Palmer and Barrington both have a good chance of ending up on 53 man roster.

Depending on Perry's health at the beginning of TC, if he is not ready then there will be room for both.

Tackles Baktian and Tretter will have a tough time cracking the 53 man roster, again this depends on the health of Sherrard.

DE's Jones and Boyd,along with RB's Lacey and Franklin IMHO not only will be on the 53 man roster, they all will either start or be in a rotation providing rest for the starters.

CB Micah Hyde will get every shot to make the final roster, he will have only himslf to blame if he ends up on the PS or released.

All in all a pretty productive draft for Ted, anything can happen, but if all play to their potetial, it looks like Ted has beefed up the D-line, vastley improved the RB situation, and added depth to several positions.

Only time will tell if this is an A+ draft or a D draft.


I don't think either LB makes the 53, practice squad guys. Bacteria and Tretter will both make the 53, and I'm real excited to see if they come close to knocking out EDS and Lang. Agree with you on the running backs and dlineman. Micah Hyde has to beat out Jarrett, the cat, Bush. Tall order because of special teams.

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#55 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:42:07 AM(UTC)
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EDS really that bad that 2 new drafties will beat him out? I thought he played really well at center. Better than Saturday. I think I heard Aaron say once that he was the C of the future during one of his Radio shows. And obviously he took over the last few games at center. Honestly Lang is a solid player as well.. I just think Newhouse needs to be challenged on the Offensive Line and I'll say Newhouse isn't horrible either.. He's going into his 3rd year Starting at LT. He's developing at a ok rate. And wasn't he a 4th or 5th round pick? I'd say he's a decent player in that draft.
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#56 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:04:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
EDS really that bad that 2 new drafties will beat him out? I thought he played really well at center. Better than Saturday. I think I heard Aaron say once that he was the C of the future during one of his Radio shows. And obviously he took over the last few games at center. Honestly Lang is a solid player as well.. I just think Newhouse needs to be challenged on the Offensive Line and I'll say Newhouse isn't horrible either.. He's going into his 3rd year Starting at LT. He's developing at a ok rate. And wasn't he a 4th or 5th round pick? I'd say he's a decent player in that draft.


Thank you Gaycandybacon.

I like both EDS and Newhouse. They've both done pretty well. Of course, they've had their whiffs. We've all seen them, moreso with Newhouse. I honestly can't recall a truly bad play by EDS.

Seems all of our linemen will benefit from an emphasis by the staff on run blocking, which can no longer be ignored like I believe it had been previously. Having quality depth now will be refreshing, along with some heightened competition for starting spots. The rookies will get a great opportunity to develop, and I like our OL additions quite a bit with this in mind.
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#57 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:36:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Thank you Gaycandybacon.

I like both EDS and Newhouse. They've both done pretty well. Of course, they've had their whiffs. We've all seen them, moreso with Newhouse. I honestly can't recall a truly bad play by EDS.

Seems all of our linemen will benefit from an emphasis by the staff on run blocking, which can no longer be ignored like I believe it had been previously. Having quality depth now will be refreshing, along with some heightened competition for starting spots. The rookies will get a great opportunity to develop, and I like our OL additions quite a bit with this in mind.


I'll split the difference. I like EDS, and I like Newhouse as a backup, but not as a starter. The best news of all to me from these three draft days is that the Packers apparently have enough confidence in Sherrod's recovery that they didn't draft a OT in the early rounds. If he is anything like you expect from a first round pick, and Bulaga is back to 2011 form, then everything else falls into place. I said all along, draft a lineman who can be a backup center in the late rounds; Tretter is that - with Lewis for insurance.

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#58 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 4:54:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Most people are not complaining about who was picked, more about the strategy of trading back this year. Because of Ted doing his job pretty good in the past, the team is at a point where we don't have room for 7-8 rookies on the roster, yet alone 11. The team doesn't improve by replacing young projects with new young projects. There were better quality players available when Ted traded back, there were better quality players that Ted could have traded up for.


I can see that. I've thought the same thing many time but lets assume you go into a season with 45 of your current players pretty fairly safe for the next year and 8 guys are expendable. You stand a better chance of getting 8 better guys than the 8 you have if you draft 11 than if you draft just 8. I do agree however with the part about not improving if you just keep replacing the bottom tier of guys. I just think that by the time you get out of the third round you stand about as much chance of getting a solid hit with a 6th rounder as you do with a 4th. One of those hits just may replace someone above the bottom tier and the more guys you have to look at the better your chances are.

I'm not sure I agree with your comment about the better quality players being available but with my very limited knowledge of these players I can't argue specifics with you. All I will say is that just because they are generally thought of to be higher round talent is no guarantee that they will be better players. In a lot of cases I follow the mantra"you get what you pay for" but not so much when it comes to football.
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