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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 5:46:53 PM(UTC)
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If the Packers had stuck with the 55th pick in the second round, would they have selected running back Montee Ball instead of Eddie Lacy?Kevin Seifert proposes the question at ESPN. During the draft last Friday, the Packers traded their 55th pick to the 49ers and moved down to No. 61 and then took Lacy (Green Bay also received a sixth-round pick). The Broncos scooped up Ball three picks earlier at No. 58.An interesting part of Seifert's story is Denver's decision to take Ball over Lacy. The Broncos say it came down to Lacy's injury history. It was also reported that the Steelers passed on Lacy because of toe fusion.We know that the Packers appeared comfortable taking a running back in the second round - at least with the 61st pick. Had the Packers not traded with the 49ers, however, it would have been interesting to see if the 55th pick could have been Lacy, Ball, or someone else.Read Seifert's story here.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 6:01:41 PM(UTC)
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If I had caught Demi Moore before her first audition outside the studios, I'd have had a real shot at tagging her in her prime.

If these lottery tickets I have in my wallet hit, I might get a crack at an around the globe tour.

If I knew those woods were going to take my golf ball today, I'd have aimed more left.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 6:02:08 PM(UTC)
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I would think maybe they were OK with either and figured one or the other would be there at 61. Before the draft, I wanted Montee Ball - maybe a little bit of homerism, but I expect him to have an excellent career too. I am now totally psyched up for Eddie Lacy, though. If part of his greatness was running behind the 'Bama O Line, and the Packers O Line is relatively worse - in a NFL sense anyway, there is something that will MORE than make up for that: I refer to the element to surprise running for a strongly pass-first team - as well as having fewer defenders in the box when he runs for the Packers.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 6:04:14 PM(UTC)
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If I had caught Demi Moore before her first audition outside the studios, I'd have had a real shot at tagging her in her prime.

If these lottery tickets I have in my wallet hit, I might get a crack at an around the globe tour.

If I knew those woods were going to take my golf ball today, I'd have aimed more left.


NEVER aim left ........ oooh sorry, I forgot I wasn't in the Back Alley.

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 6:05:36 PM(UTC)
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I would rather Eddie Lacy over Montee Ball.
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 6:18:14 PM(UTC)
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We obviously had Lacy over Ball on our draft board. I mean either would be great players for us, but I don't see why everyone wanted Ball so much over Lacy from what I've been hearing.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 7:40:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
If I had caught Demi Moore before her first audition outside the studios, I'd have had a real shot at tagging her in her prime.

If these lottery tickets I have in my wallet hit, I might get a crack at an around the globe tour.

If I knew those woods were going to take my golf ball today, I'd have aimed more left.


If you weren't so lame you could come up with better metaphors such as - if I didn't have such a nice ass, Mrs. Dakota wouldn't have grabbed it and I wouldn't have three beautiful daughters. Neener, Neener
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Offline TwinkieGorilla  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:58:20 PM(UTC)
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ARE YOU KIDDING EVEN?!

Either of them are better, at least in prospective theory, than any backs we've had in forever. For years now our running game has amounted to nothing more than a few brilliant flashes in an otherwise transparent attempt at hammering square pegs into round holes. Getting an "iffy" dude on the level of Lacey at this point (Gee, who's our QB again?) is like some sort of ridiculous thought which almost makes me feel guilty when thinking about how potent it could make our offense.
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I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 10:19:12 PM(UTC)
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#10 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:05:55 AM(UTC)
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I suspect the thought with the trade down was that one of the two might be there. Not sure what Ted thought of Montee Ball though. I'm glad we added both Lacy and Franklin, and I see an entirely new day on offense for Green Bay as a result.

Cannot wait to see Lacy as Spin Bot! Cannot wait to see Franklin knifing through opposing secondaries. Not sure what to say about Ball. Tough runner, a little upright, not much break away speed. Lotta miles on that odometer. I like who we got, very much so.

This will help extend drives, control games, save Rodgers from all out pass rushes, make our passing game -better-!, and keep our D off the field.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:47:30 AM(UTC)
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For me.. watching every Badger game each season vs a collection of 5 games of Bama this year, I think Ball has the better overall career in the pros.

Now would Ball fit in with the Packers or Lacy with the Broncos better than where they landed, we shall never know. But based on the talents they bring to the field, I would put Ball ahead of Lacy.

And that is not homerism.. I haven't like many Badger backs as pros.. Dayne included. Just think Balls talents will be more productive at this level and for a longer duration.

I like my crow served cold... thank you very much. That is if Lacy can serve it.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#12 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 12:22:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
For me.. watching every Badger game each season vs a collection of 5 games of Bama this year, I think Ball has the better overall career in the pros.

Now would Ball fit in with the Packers or Lacy with the Broncos better than where they landed, we shall never know. But based on the talents they bring to the field, I would put Ball ahead of Lacy.

And that is not homerism.. I haven't like many Badger backs as pros.. Dayne included. Just think Balls talents will be more productive at this level and for a longer duration.

I like my crow served cold... thank you very much. That is if Lacy can serve it.


I think Eddie Lacy (why do people only use last names?) will be better for the Packers than Montee Ball would have been. I think Ball needs a wider hole than Lacy. I also feel that Lacy is more of a punishing back, which I think will help the Packers offense.

I feel Ball to the Broncos is a better fit than Lacy with the Broncos too.



I just don't think Lacy will live up to the hype. If he can punch it through on * and short, average more than 4 yards a carry, doesn't get the QB killed and doesn't fumble ... I'll put it down as a win for the Packers.
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#13 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 1:34:17 PM(UTC)
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All I have to say is woulda, coulda, shoulda.

He's not on our team, Lacy is. I don't wanna speculate who will be better at the next level. You just don't know till a couple years later. Both have strengths and weaknesses. I think Eddie will bring more to the team, simply because we didn't have that bruiser since Grant was healthy 07-09. And not have to rely on Kuhn to carry the ball every 3rd and short. Monte Ball just isn't that thumper that I like..

Really this RB class was so deep, I don't think we're complaining what we got. At least i'm not. Wanna Box?
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#14 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 1:48:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post

I just don't think Lacy will live up to the hype. If he can punch it through on * and short, average more than 4 yards a carry, doesn't get the QB killed and doesn't fumble ... I'll put it down as a win for the Packers.



IMO if he doesn't run into his own blockers or repeatedly run into the mass of bodies and repeatedly get 1-2 yards; and then finally gets decent yardage when he doesn't do this (anyone figure out whom Im talking about) ... Ill be happy.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 1:59:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
IMO if he doesn't run into his own blockers or repeatedly run into the mass of bodies and repeatedly get 1-2 yards; and then finally gets decent yardage when he doesn't do this (anyone figure out whom Im talking about) ... Ill be happy.



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#16 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:48:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I think Eddie Lacy (why do people only use last names?) will be better for the Packers than Montee Ball would have been. I think Ball needs a wider hole than Lacy. I also feel that Lacy is more of a punishing back, which I think will help the Packers offense.

I feel Ball to the Broncos is a better fit than Lacy with the Broncos too.



I just don't think Lacy will live up to the hype. If he can punch it through on * and short, average more than 4 yards a carry, doesn't get the QB killed and doesn't fumble ... I'll put it down as a win for the Packers.





Who amongst us gives a rat's ass about Lacy living up to the hype? All we need is a credible running game, and imo, he looks good enough to provide it, regardless of how bad we are at creating a hole for the running back. [I] like him most because I suspect we need his beef to get through the initial (non) hole.


The fact that he excelled under a ZBS blocking system cannot be overlooked, imo. I think he is the perfect fit for us.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:54:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
Who amongst us gives a rat's ass about Lacy living up to the hype? All we need is a credible running game, and imo, he looks good enough to provide it, regardless of how bad we are at creating a hole for the running back. [I] like him most because I suspect we need his beef to get through the initial (non) hole.


The fact that he excelled under a ZBS blocking system cannot be overlooked, imo.


Him and Franklin will make our Offensive line look like a pro bowl line.Flapper Dancing Laugh LOL Drool
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#18 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:00:38 PM(UTC)
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Him and Franklin will make our Offensive line look like a pro bowl line.Flapper Dancing Laugh LOL Drool




This is a possibility, also. I frankly doubt it, to be honest... I'm totally fine with our current running backs... If there is no hole, there is no hole...


My minimal hopes rest reflecting upon the the production of Ahman Green and Ryan Grant. They seemed to manage without a hole, to my satisfaction, at least.

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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#19 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:09:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
This is a possibility, also. I frankly doubt it, to be honest... I'm totally fine with our current running backs... If there is no hole, there is no hole...


My minimal hopes rest reflecting upon the the production of Ahman Green and Ryan Grant. They seemed to manage without a hole, to my satisfaction, at least.



Honestly this line isn't that bad, we've just went through some troubles last year. From not running the ball effectively(which has to do with the running backs we've had as well) to not keeping healthy. Imo we have some physical lineman especially our guards. We just need to get some depth and stay healthy which we have gotten through the draft. This is a team game. I'm not blaming it all on the offensive line. Hell two years ago we only gave up 29 sacks. The thing i'll say about this line is that it lacks consistency. It's not like our lines gonna be the same as last years either. There's always room for improvement, no matter how bad the supposed coaching is. I'm very hopeful our line will be better.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:16:33 PM(UTC)
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#21 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:36:31 PM(UTC)
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The fact that he excelled under a ZBS blocking system cannot be overlooked, imo. I think he is the perfect fit for us.


What about the fact that the Packers haven't successfully executed the Zone Blocking Scheme? Can that be overlooked?
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#22 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:07:48 PM(UTC)
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What about the fact that the Packers haven't successfully executed the Zone Blocking Scheme? Can that be overlooked?


Hopefully they mix it up this year, cause I agree. Just go one on one and see what this O-Line can do. Isn't the zone blocking scheme for athletic lineman who aren't the strongest?
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#23 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:28:40 PM(UTC)
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I think who the Packers would of taken if both were on the board still is an interesting question (one I asked my self during the draft). But as I thought then and still agree with, the Packers traded that option away for a 6th round pick (and they could of had both taken off the board)...

So my guess is that it's not that big of a deal between the two in Ted Thompson / the Packers mind.

And who knows... Ted Thompson might of been thinking if they both get taken I'll take another player maybe another RB or a different position...
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