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Offline nerdmann  
#11 Posted : Thursday, May 2, 2013 12:30:42 PM(UTC)
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As much as I enjoy the Lacy pick, why do we have to consider him the workhorse back? Why can't the Packers offense have the threat of both Lacy and Franklin? I'll say it again and again and again, with the pass-first scheme of this offense (even if they have a running game) and the dual threat of Lacy and Franklin (with a dash of whoever else makes the team), the Packers are not going to have to depend on one individual (Lacy) to carry the entire workload. Therefore, Lacy's "injury history" won't matter as much as he is not going to be the only runningback that can play on this roster.



They'll be in the backfield together for sure.

It will be interesting to see if they keep Kuhn.
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The Packers do run the ball quite a bit ... in the first half. For whatever reason, it seems (speculation, no facts to support this) the Packers toss the running game to the curb when down by a score or more.


We actually had the stats, Z2C, back from the Zombieslayer Madden attack discussions. They were around a year old, so did not include 2012. When down by 0-7 pts Mike McCarthy actually kept running the ball at the same rate, but when dropped more than 1 score down abandoned the run.

I'm not convinced that our running problems were a result of our RBs.

In the first half of the Seattle game this year (when we were shut out the first half) Packers ran 30 plays, 27 of them passes. Mike McCarthy abandoned the run in that game even before he knew whether or not we could run the ball. In the SF playoff game, he abandoned the run even though we had been having success running the ball all game.

And when Mike McCarthy does run the ball, too often it's a draw play out of the shotgun. It's stripping the run followed by a play action pass out of our play book.

Adding Lacy and Franklin isn't going to change anything unless Mike McCarthy changes his play calling.
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And when Mike McCarthy does run the ball, too often it's a draw play out of the shotgun. It's stripping the run followed by a play action pass out of our play book.

Adding Lacy and Franklin isn't going to change anything unless Mike McCarthy changes his play calling.


Franklin ran out of the shotgun in college, took a lot of draws and was successful. Lacy also has experience in this as well. I think we're trying to make a statement by drafting 2 running backs high. Pretty sure things are gonna change in this offense.
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Offline nerdmann  
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Franklin ran out of the shotgun in college, took a lot of draws and was successful. Lacy also has experience in this as well. I think we're trying to make a statement by drafting 2 running backs high. Pretty sure things are gonna change in this offense.


IMO they took these guys so they wouldn't HAVE to change. Aaron can keep throwing deep, because the safeties will have to come up for 8 in the box.
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macbob said: Go to Quoted Post
We actually had the stats, Z2C, back from the Zombieslayer Madden attack discussions. They were around a year old, so did not include 2012. When down by 0-7 pts Mike McCarthy actually kept running the ball at the same rate, but when dropped more than 1 score down abandoned the run.

I'm not convinced that our running problems were a result of our RBs.

In the first half of the Seattle game this year (when we were shut out the first half) Packers ran 30 plays, 27 of them passes. Mike McCarthy abandoned the run in that game even before he knew whether or not we could run the ball. In the SF playoff game, he abandoned the run even though we had been having success running the ball all game.

And when Mike McCarthy does run the ball, too often it's a draw play out of the shotgun. It's stripping the run followed by a play action pass out of our play book.

Adding Lacy and Franklin isn't going to change anything unless Mike McCarthy changes his play calling.


So very true.

We lost to IND much the same way. Running the football is an attitude established by the HC and the play caller. It trickles down to the QB, the OL, the TEs, the RBs and the WRs.

McCarthy will have to set a new attitude with his staff and his schemes, and in turn, establish this with his players, making them all better blockers in the run game.

McCarthy "got it" after the IND game somewhere around week 5 or 6 last year? Then completely "forgot it" v NYG, where running was essential for us to win.

He got it again thereafter, and we wound up with a decent # of ATT on the year, but those numbers should increase greatly with Lacy and Franklin added, along with a new emphasis on running the ball.

Better blocking, and a strong commitment by our HC will go a long way towards making this a successful part of our game.
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