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User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#21 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 4:07:22 PM(UTC)
John Brockington and MacCarther Lane - I remembered Taylor and Hornung, and Grabowski and Anderson, but forgot them. I can't remember, was it still Split Backs with Brockington and Lane? Or had the I come in by then? I really wish Lacy and Franklin - backed by Harris - could be used in a Split Backfield - without a fullback. That would be better in so many ways, running and passing.
buckeyepackfan  
#22 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 4:18:52 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
John Brockington and MacCarther Lane - I remembered Taylor and Hornung, and Grabowski and Anderson, but forgot them. I can't remember, was it still Split Backs with Brockington and Lane? Or had the I come in by then? I really wish Lacy and Franklin - backed by Harris - could be used in a Split Backfield - without a fullback. That would be better in so many ways, running and passing.


This is a good read on how Lane came to be a Packer

http://www.jsonline.com/...d-3a5fj8e-153333955.html
SINCITYCHEEZE  
#23 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:22:45 PM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Can we as fans at least wait until pre-season games start before we anoint these guys as the next coming of John Brockington and MacCarther Lane.(look them up you younger fans, last great DUO to play in the same backfield together in Green Bay.)

So many things can happen, but it sure looks like The Packers have went all in to jump start their running game.

Pre-season 2013, IMHO, is actually going to be worth watching.

So many young guys trying to make the team, lots of competition.


I think Edgar Bennet(sp.) and Dorsey Levens might disagree with you on that statement.

buckeyepackfan  
#24 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:46:03 PM(UTC)
SINCITYCHEEZE said: Go to Quoted Post
I think Edgar Bennet(sp.) and Dorsey Levens might disagree with you on that statement.



Trying to remember, how many years we're they together in the backfield?

They were pretty good, but didn't Edger tear up his knee in pre-season and Levens replaced him for good in his 2nd year?

I don't really think of them as a tandem, JMO, Bennet was a hell of a back and Levens followed him.


I did forget about Ahman Green and William Henderson, they were also a pretty good tandem!!!


Smile
DakotaT  
#25 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:57:43 PM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't have to be a SMART ASS!!!!!

Did I say anything about not talking about them?

No.

This happens every year.

The Packers draft guys and immediately the expectations are so high that most of the time, no matter how well they play, the fans that put these expectations on them are disappointed.

DRAFT AND DEVELOPE!!!!!!

Look it up.

RB is one position that rookies seem to be able to step in right away and contribute.

Hopefully The Packer have drafted 2 guys that can do this.

They get their 1st chance to impress starting tomorrow.

The real test will come in pre-season.

The competition is going to be at a high level at several positions this pre-season, this only bodes well for The Packers as a team.





You have a real problem having someone bust your balls don't you Buckeye, it's almost womanish? [grin1] Anyway, I happen to agree with you. Lots of people putting the cart before the horse.
OlHoss1884  
#26 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 2:04:40 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron and Mike don't want to burn clock. They want to score as many times as possible.


So does everyone. But when you have a lead and need to keep the other team off the field, you need to chew up the clock. It also keeps your defense fresh. That's basic football. And I guarantee if you asked "Aaron and Mike" whether they wanted to be able to chew up some clock they would tell you absolutely, as long as they wind up in the end zone. With Lacy and Jenkins you can do both.
nerdmann  
#27 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 3:06:44 AM(UTC)
OlHoss1884 said: Go to Quoted Post
So does everyone. But when you have a lead and need to keep the other team off the field, you need to chew up the clock. It also keeps your defense fresh. That's basic football. And I guarantee if you asked "Aaron and Mike" whether they wanted to be able to chew up some clock they would tell you absolutely, as long as they wind up in the end zone. With Lacy and Jenkins you can do both.


They repeatedly hang this defense out to dry.
sschind  
#28 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 9:23:59 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't have to be a SMART ASS!!!!!

Did I say anything about not talking about them?

No.

This happens every year.

The Packers draft guys and immediately the expectations are so high that most of the time, no matter how well they play, the fans that put these expectations on them are disappointed.

DRAFT AND DEVELOPE!!!!!!

Look it up.

RB is one position that rookies seem to be able to step in right away and contribute.

Hopefully The Packer have drafted 2 guys that can do this.

They get their 1st chance to impress starting tomorrow.

The real test will come in pre-season.

The competition is going to be at a high level at several positions this pre-season, this only bodes well for The Packers as a team.





I'm not trying to be a smart ass but you said it yourself, it happens every year. There is nothing we can do to stop it so why get worked up over it. It's like people complaining about talking about a big game next week when we still have to play the Jaguars this week. We are fans, there is nothing wrong with looking ahead. There is nothing wrong with speculating about a player having the potential to be a ROY or MVP or anything else. It's the off season and there is precious little to talk about. I think there are very few fans who actually put a lot of stock into talk like this. We all know it's speculation. We all know that the rookies haven't taken a snap in the game. I don't think anyone is anointing anyone as anything. We are simply excited to have a player that we feel can be in the conversation.

Like you said, there will be some high level competition at several positions this year, running back probably being the highest profile. It should be exciting. In the recent past we have had pretty much afterthoughts at the position. Guys who gave us a ton of hope and even potential but not much real expectation. This year we have not one but two running backs that many people, myself included, feel can be a significant contributor from day one and have the ability to make our offense much better. Not just some guy who we look at as someone who "helps to keep the defense honest" so Rodgers can throw deep almost every play. If that is not enough of a reason to get people talking I don't know what else there is to talk about.

I do not have a problem with fans talking about potential awards.
I do not have a problem with fans predicting W/L records.
I do not have a problem with fans looking past weaker teams.
I do not have a problem with fans saying WE when talking about the team.

Let the coaches and administrators and players worry about the day to day preparations. We are fans and as such we have the right to talk about whatever we want, even if it is unrealistic speculation.
play2win  
#29 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 9:57:39 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Can we as fans at least wait until pre-season games start before we anoint these guys as the next coming of John Brockington and MacCarther Lane.(look them up you younger fans, last great DUO to play in the same backfield together in Green Bay.)

So many things can happen, but it sure looks like The Packers have went all in to jump start their running game.

Pre-season 2013, IMHO, is actually going to be worth watching.

So many young guys trying to make the team, lots of competition.


No. Edgar and Dorsey. Now, THAT was a great duo! And, the last successful duo in GB, in the same backfield at RB. Took us to the promised land... Dorsey played FB for Edgar... wore a many teams out with Holmy going to them repeatedly to finish off games in the 2nd half.

Ahman and Henderson? Pretty close. I wonder what Ahman would say? He stopped in to my studio a couple of weeks ago... Great guy. He'll be coming back. I'll ask him how he rates himself and William Henderson.
steveishere  
#30 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 3:49:53 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
They repeatedly hang this defense out to dry.


not really
nerdmann  
#31 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 7:28:15 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
not really


This team does not consistently have an advantage in time of possession. The stat means nothing to Mike. If anything, he goes out of his way to avoid it, because he is focuses more on scoring points, than he is on preventing the other team from scoring points.
steveishere  
#32 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2013 4:41:52 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
This team does not consistently have an advantage in time of possession. The stat means nothing to Mike. If anything, he goes out of his way to avoid it, because he is focuses more on scoring points, than he is on preventing the other team from scoring points.


The defense has more to do with that than the offense. They give away first downs like candy in a parade whether they've been on the field recently or not.
DakotaT  
#33 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:09:56 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
The defense has more to do with that than the offense. They give away first downs like candy in a parade whether they've been on the field recently or not.


I agree with you Steve. This defense plays like spoiled children with the luxury of wealthy parents. There is no sense of urgency with them because they know the offense can score at will. It's time for an attitude adjustment. Getting Bishop and Perry back on the field will help. And I'm really hoping Jones brings the adjustment to the offensive line.
PackerTraxx  
#34 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:18:17 AM(UTC)
The offense and the defense both play into tiring themselves and the other team. It's pretty agreeable that our offense is more talented than our defense, last year partly because of injuries. They need to think of the team as a whole. With that thought that's what made it disappointing when the offense didn't take the 5-8 yards when it was available on 1st or 2nd down, keep the weaker part of our team off the field. It was disappointing when the D kept putting the opponent in 3rd and long and let them keep getting 1st downs, that was lack of talent, partially due to injuries. As mentioned hopefully Jones and getting Perry, Moses, Bishop and whoever else back remedy that. Maybe with Lacy, Franklin and Harris plus Bulaga, Sherrod and young player development the offense controls the game even better we'll improve and be able to keep up with the SFs, Seattles, and Denvers of the the world.
nerdmann  
#35 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:19:05 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree with you Steve. This defense plays like spoiled children with the luxury of wealthy parents. There is no sense of urgency with them because they know the offense can score at will. It's time for an attitude adjustment. Getting Bishop and Perry back on the field will help. And I'm really hoping Jones brings the adjustment to the offensive line.


I thought our defense really stepped up last year.

First of all you have those young DBs. Hayward in particular. Then you've got DJ Smith and subsequently Brad Jones. Those guys stepped in and performed admirably.

Even on the DL. Sure we had some issues, there, but much of that is from playing guys like BJ Raji and Pickett too many snaps. But again, it's more important to be able to keep chucking it deep than to help the defense.

Hopefully the young RBs can bring safeties up, although if I'm a DCoord playing the Packers, I'll let them run all day. Because I know they won't, even if they can.
steveishere  
#36 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:43:03 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I thought our defense really stepped up last year.

First of all you have those young DBs. Hayward in particular. Then you've got DJ Smith and subsequently Brad Jones. Those guys stepped in and performed admirably.

Even on the DL. Sure we had some issues, there, but much of that is from playing guys like BJ Raji and Pickett too many snaps. But again, it's more important to be able to keep chucking it deep than to help the defense.

Hopefully the young RBs can bring safeties up, although if I'm a DCoord playing the Packers, I'll let them run all day. Because I know they won't, even if they can.


Raji played 59% of snaps this year and Pickett was even less. I don't really see how that is playing too many snaps. You are wrong about the offense. They get a lot of first downs and don't turn the ball over or punt very often. When they do have to punt it usually ends with the defense in good field position. They don't go 3 and out very often either. All of this weighs more heavily than "well they score too fast sometimes". The defense doesn't have any excuses as far as the offense helping them out IMO. They don't get off the field because they don't get themselves off the field. The offense is high efficiency and one of the best in the league. If that's not good enough for the defense to operate with then it's the defense who has a problem.

Not to even mention your ridiculous "chucking it deep all the time" statements when 68% of Rodgers passes were within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. A whole 1% less than "dink and dunk" Tom Brady.
buckeyepackfan  
#37 Posted : Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:17:54 AM(UTC)
Everyone is making valid points.

I did a little digging and as always Time of possession is important but the one stat that always tells the tale is turnover ratio.
These are Regular Season #'s only

............avg. time of possession....turnover ratio......record

2010.......... 32:01..............................+10................10-6

2011...........30:29..............................+24................15-1

2012...........30:26..............................+07................11-5

I believe if any of you want to do a little more digging, that you will find The Packers were in negegative #'s in both of their post season defeats the past 2 years.

Hopefully with the guys coming back from injury and with the guys who make the team for the 1st time, The Packers can get back to their ball-hawking, take away mode that seemed to work so well in 2011.

The defense does this, with the addition of Lacy and Franklin, That avg. time of possession could go up.

Gonna have to check at the end of the year, but I am betting if The Packers avg. T.O.P. is around 35:00 and their turnover ratio is +20 or higher, you will find them at the top of the olayoff pile.
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