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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 11:51:24 AM(UTC)
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Green Bay --- The Packers have informed Desmond Bishop that they will release the inside linebacker today, a source said.


Desmond Bishop just tweeted: "So much fun, so many memories & friendships forged in Green Bay. Ups & downs, wins & losses! Even a XLV championship. Forever grateful #Pack"

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#2 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 12:01:55 PM(UTC)
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Whoa! No one seen this one coming!!
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#3 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 12:25:33 PM(UTC)
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Last week, word out of Green Bay was that the Packers were going to release linebacker Desmond Bishop if they were unable to work out a restructured contract or trade that would bring them something back in return. The Packers have struck out on both fronts and Tyler Dunne of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#4 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 12:49:41 PM(UTC)
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It really is a shame. I know it is a more what have you done for me lately league and we are paying others in the LB core a lot already, but I was really hoping a deal could be worked. I really like Bishop and his intensity. I do worry about lingering injuries though and I think that was just too much of a risk considering the money and term length he was desiring. Still I would rather have him in our LB core than Brad Jones...
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#5 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 1:04:51 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, it's a damn shame. I was more upset about it when the news of it "probably" happening came out, but considering the injury thing and the money thing, it's probably for the best. Manning and maybe Mulumba better come through, because a steady diet of Hawk and B. Jones will starve the team for good D.
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#6 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 1:49:38 PM(UTC)
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The first signs of trouble emerged last week and now the Green Bay Packers have made it official. The Packers today announced that they have released LB Desmond Bishop roughly a week after speculation began about his future with the team.   Bishop missed all of the 2012 season with a torn hamstring and many have [...]
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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#7 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 1:55:51 PM(UTC)
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ProFootballTalk wrote:
Linebacker Desmond Bishop is officially a free agent. The Packers have announced that Bishop has been released, confirming the report from Tyler Dunne of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel earlier on Monday and completing a slow march toward a breakup with Bishop that began when the team shopped him in trade talks before the draft. Bishop...


“It’s not necessarily over,” Bishop said. “There’s an outside chance that I could still be a Packer. So we still have a good relationship. … If I don’t get the right compensation, I’d rather be in a familiar place.”
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Offline GBkrzygrl  
#8 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 2:21:38 PM(UTC)
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Just heard about this. It sounds like they departed on good terms. He apparently wasn't willing to take a paycut...at least not yet. I'm thinking that the Packers are still leery of the injury.
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#9 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 2:49:30 PM(UTC)
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Bishop is 28 so he's past his prime and coming off a bad hamstring injury. I thought Tommie Harris was going to be a monster then he had a bad hamstring injury.
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#10 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00:06 PM(UTC)
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Bishop is 28 so he's past his prime and coming off a bad hamstring injury. I thought Tommie Harris was going to be a monster then he had a bad hamstring injury.


Good Point with the Tommie Harris reference. Hopefully other teams will be just as leery as the Packers, and Bishop will take a Hawk-like deal. I'm not holding my breath, though. Probably somebody will pay what he wants.

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Offline Laser Gunns  
#11 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 3:06:13 PM(UTC)
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Nooooooooooooo!

I've been a Bish fan since he laid out that Jag in preseason..

rooted for him to start forever!

then only 2 years in... this...


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Bishop smash!


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Offline dfosterf  
#12 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 3:20:57 PM(UTC)
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I don't like it, but our defense was awful, so many must pay. They played poorly, as a unit, for several years. Ted invested a great deal (imo) to get a great unit. He failed to get one. Maybe he can fix it in the 2014 draft. Laughing Maybe our hopes will survive and spring eternal... these are all possibilities...

Maybe I'm right and this model does not work. I don't like getting rid of Bishop. He's the only one I liked out of all those wasted draft picks. Almost incredidible, how bad it has been, at that position...draft-pick-wise...

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#13 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 8:21:53 PM(UTC)
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The pass D was better without him.

Ranked 4th in passer rating allowed last year.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:23:12 AM(UTC)
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I'm a big Desmond Bishop fan, but from a pure business standpoint, this makes some sense. They are playing the odds on whether or not he can return healthy and as effective as prior to the injury, and as much as I want the old Bish back, I can see how they arrived at this decision.

The guy knows how to play. Tough loss for GB.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:00:46 AM(UTC)
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"Bishop said in a phone interview that the team never discussed the idea of him taking a pay cut, saying only that they would check back with him down the road if he were released and didn't find work elsewhere. "


I need someone to make sense of this for me. No, we won't offer you a lower deal, but hey if no one else wants you, then we can talk? Is that just an angle to get him on the dirt cheap?
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:13:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
"Bishop said in a phone interview that the team never discussed the idea of him taking a pay cut, saying only that they would check back with him down the road if he were released and didn't find work elsewhere. "


I need someone to make sense of this for me. No, we won't offer you a lower deal, but hey if no one else wants you, then we can talk? Is that just an angle to get him on the dirt cheap?


Absolutely. Ted has a strong history of letting his guys test the market to determine their true value. And, he's apparently OK with losing a Des Bishop coming off a career threatening injury should MIN decide again to overpay.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:47:47 AM(UTC)
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Read some interesting tweets by Zach Kruse from cheeseheadtv.com

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I found an interesting history on ruptured hamstrings in the NFL from a study in the American Journal of Orthopedics

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AJO looked at 10 hamstring ruptures in the NFL from 1990-2008. Nine of 10 returned, but only five of 10 returned to play more than one game.


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Two of the 10 returned and soon after suffered other serious injury to the same leg (Achilles tendon tear, another ruptured hamstring)

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AJO's finding on ruptured hamstring in the NFL: "This injury is a marker for elite-level physical deterioration.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:09:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Read some interesting tweets by Zach Kruse from cheeseheadtv.com







Wow. Thanks steve! That's a good find. Career ender...
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:07:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
"Bishop said in a phone interview that the team never discussed the idea of him taking a pay cut, saying only that they would check back with him down the road if he were released and didn't find work elsewhere. "


I need someone to make sense of this for me. No, we won't offer you a lower deal, but hey if no one else wants you, then we can talk? Is that just an angle to get him on the dirt cheap?


Well, they just saved 3. whatever million in cap space that they can now use to lock up Raji, Burnett, and Shields. Bishop is a plodder run stuffing inside linebacker who lacks the athleticism to cover the new age tight ends in a passing league. They'll check back with him later if he hasn't been picked up by anybody else yet. That means they've done him a favor to catch on with another team, and if he can't do so - the Packers will bring him back to training camp. Now was that so hard?
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:12:44 AM(UTC)
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Now was that so hard?
I should smack you.

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#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:43:52 AM(UTC)
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For those that missed the link, it said this: since 1990 there have been 10 cases where it was confirmed that a player suffered a ruptured hammy. Of the 10, only 5 players played more than 1 NFL game following the injury. Regardless of where you stand on the debate about his value when healthy, the likelihood that Bishop was going to recover to be fully productive was pretty slim.

It isn't just the salary, but to pay a salary with such a risk makes this an easy move. To be honest, I am glad they let him go early so, if he IS pretty well ready to play, he has some time to find another team. The fact remains, if he re-injurs it or has another problem with the same leg, the Packers would be on the hook for his salary and that is far more likely than his having a quality year.

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#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:29:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
For those that missed the link, it said this: since 1990 there have been 10 cases where it was confirmed that a player suffered a ruptured hammy. Of the 10, only 5 players played more than 1 NFL game following the injury. Regardless of where you stand on the debate about his value when healthy, the likelihood that Bishop was going to recover to be fully productive was pretty slim.

It isn't just the salary, but to pay a salary with such a risk makes this an easy move. To be honest, I am glad they let him go early so, if he IS pretty well ready to play, he has some time to find another team. The fact remains, if he re-injurs it or has another problem with the same leg, the Packers would be on the hook for his salary and that is far more likely than his having a quality year.



Yup. Gotta play the odds. It makes the contract they gave Brad Jones make a lot more sense, as well. Plus, releasing him gives Bishop a chance to get a nice salary with another team of his choice. If he can't find work at a reasonable price, perhaps the Packers give him one more chance. Who knows, but at least he has the opportunity to prove to other teams he's fully recovered.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:58:03 PM(UTC)
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I should smack you.



Shame on you , you asked to have it explained to you! I thought I was being a good friend. Big Grin
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#24 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:44:36 AM(UTC)
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Personally, I think this is a mistake.. for a defense that lacks fire, you have now shipped out one of the few parts that provide a spark.

Bishop's lateral quickness prior to the injury was marginal.. so I get it from that front and the concerns about offenses continuing to stretch defenses.

But somebody better step up and become the juice for this defense.. maybe the rook Jones will become that guy.. maybe lighting will flash and Jolly flips the switch. Sorry, but we need more fire and Bishop was one of the few to provide it.

Color me not a "fan" of the move.
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#25 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:46:40 AM(UTC)
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When Desmond Bishop took over for Nick Barnett, I had mentioned the defense just "felt" like it was more tough with the change. The Packers won the Super Bowl that season.

I wonder the role hamstring injury history played in his release because it seems like defense that needs to get "bigger, faster" just got less physical.
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