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Offline nerdmann  
#1 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 11:33:19 AM(UTC)
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Jersey Al

I'm going to go with John Kuhn. Pickett will make it through the year, then retire after the Superbowl.

JJ is a valuable commodity, especially now with DD and GJ gone. As for Tramon, this will be his comeback year. If that arm's ever gonna be healed it is now. Otherwise, it is what it is.
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#2 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 12:29:56 PM(UTC)
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If there was a bona fide FB on the roster (I think one of the UFA's is) Kuhn would be in trouble, but for my money it will be Green or Starks. I don't think they both make the roster and I would be surprised if they tried to keep them both through camp when either might have a chance to hook up with another team if they get an early shot at doing so.

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#3 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 1:14:20 PM(UTC)
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Starks.

Green has only really had one injury.

Starks has only played 22 games in 3 years.
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#4 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 1:55:42 PM(UTC)
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I cut both Kuhn and Starks from my final 53 so Uncle Teddy better do it too.
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#5 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 2:21:32 PM(UTC)
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Gotta go with Kuhn.


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#6 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 4:02:30 PM(UTC)
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Packers fans have seen a lot of big names and sentimental favorites either cut or allowed to sign elsewhere in free agency over the last two seasons. The most recent casualty was Desmond Bishop. The inside linebacker's exit came after guys like Greg Jennings, Charles Woodson, Tom Crabtree and Scott Wells were given their walking [...]
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Offline nerdmann  
#7 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 4:18:44 PM(UTC)
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Hahaha, beat you to this one!

Seriously, when I was posting it, I was just ASSUMING you were doing so at the same time, only faster!
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#8 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 8:12:49 PM(UTC)
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It damn well better NOT be Tramon Williams. Most of the other names in the article and previous posts with the possible exception of James Jones who isn't going anyplace until after next season, wouldn't be missed - by me anyway, but DON'T cut Tramon.

Starks has to be the most likely one to go in the short term.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:06:32 PM(UTC)
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Does Sherrod count?

I think Mike McCarthy put 3 guys in order of when they're getting healthy and Sherrod was last. (might not be remembering that right). Yes he was a 1st round pick, but he's got to stay healthy.


Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Starks.

Green has only really had one injury.

Starks has only played 22 games in 3 years.



One injury that took him out two years. At the end of last season he lost all of his burst and didn't look good.

Green 16 games over two years... avg. of 8 games per year.

Starks 22 games over three years avg. of 7.3333 games per year. That's not a big difference.

Starks 19 games over the last two years... avg. of 9.5 games per year.


Then again Bishop and Starks had the trade rumors... and Bishop is gone. but Stark is already on the field. Another injury and he's gone.

But I say the the best person win... and who knows... Harris could be the one gone and the top other 4 stay. No way to call this one (yet)..... though I think Harris (if healthy) has a good shot at staying.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:39:12 AM(UTC)
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Sherrod should definitely count. He has been pretty unreliable due to his very unfortunate leg injury and his timetable for completing his recovery is still up in the air.

RB/FB has 8 players in total on our roster so obviously that the first place you are looking as far as cuts go. Starks has a huge uphill battle considering his competition and his productivity since 2011 has been inconsistent at best.

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#11 Posted : Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:58:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
It damn well better NOT be Tramon Williams. Most of the other names in the article and previous posts with the possible exception of James Jones who isn't going anyplace until after next season, wouldn't be missed - by me anyway, but DON'T cut Tramon.

Starks has to be the most likely one to go in the short term.



Well that DEFINITELY will not be happening this year. He is the starter and Hayward is good and all but he is not ready for that role just yet nor is Mr. House. That is not the position to be cutting from the top of right now.

That position may belong to the defensive line if Raji doesn't stay consistent enough to warrant his new extended deal. If not then of course a younger player stepping up in the year ahead will determine if we can afford to let him go or if another player has to be cut to keep him.
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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#12 Posted : Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:47:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Does Sherrod count?

I think Mike McCarthy put 3 guys in order of when they're getting healthy and Sherrod was last. (might not be remembering that right). Yes he was a 1st round pick, but he's got to stay healthy.





One injury that took him out two years. At the end of last season he lost all of his burst and didn't look good.

Green 16 games over two years... avg. of 8 games per year.

Starks 22 games over three years avg. of 7.3333 games per year. That's not a big difference.

Starks 19 games over the last two years... avg. of 9.5 games per year.


Then again Bishop and Starks had the trade rumors... and Bishop is gone. but Stark is already on the field. Another injury and he's gone.

But I say the the best person win... and who knows... Harris could be the one gone and the top other 4 stay. No way to call this one (yet)..... though I think Harris (if healthy) has a good shot at staying.


You can't count Greens injury twice.

You count him out last year and you count his games where he played hurt because we had no other RBs.

Flanigan lost 2 years to injury his rookie year and came back to be a keystone of the Packers line.

No matter how you spin it. Starks keeps getting injured. Green was injured once.

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#13 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 10:15:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
You can't count Greens injury twice.

You count him out last year and you count his games where he played hurt because we had no other RBs.

Flanigan lost 2 years to injury his rookie year and came back to be a keystone of the Packers line.

No matter how you spin it. Starks keeps getting injured. Green was injured once.




Green got injured. Then he got healthy. Then the same injury flared up took him out again.

That's twice. One injury, two seasons.

The fact is Starks and Green have both kept getting injured every NFL season they've been in, so far the Packers haven't been able to count on ether staying healthy.
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#14 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 11:55:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Green got injured. Then he got healthy. Then the same injury flared up took him out again.

That's twice. One injury, two seasons.

The fact is Starks and Green have both kept getting injured every NFL season they've been in, so far the Packers haven't been able to count on ether staying healthy.


I'm not faulting a guy who tried to come back too soon, because we didn't have enough depth at his position.
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#15 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 12:10:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Green got injured. Then he got healthy. Then the same injury flared up took him out again.

That's twice. One injury, two seasons.

The fact is Starks and Green have both kept getting injured every NFL season they've been in, so far the Packers haven't been able to count on ether staying healthy.


I guess you could say the same thing for James Starks. His injury just "flared" up again .... and again ... and again.
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#16 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 12:48:45 PM(UTC)
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I guess you could say the same thing for James Starks. His injury just "flared" up again .... and again ... and again.


I thought they were different injuries and not flare ups but like I said they've both been injured every single season they've been in the NFL so far.
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#17 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 4:48:36 PM(UTC)
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The same injury flaring up is the same injury.

Wow, does that even need to be said?

That is along the lines of don't use a hair dryer in the shower.
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#18 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:02:59 PM(UTC)
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I suppose the real question about who the Packers will cut next is What do the Vikings still need?
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#19 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:15:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
I suppose the real question about who the Packers will cut next is What do the Vikings still need?

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:34:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
The same injury flaring up is the same injury.


Yes it's the same injury but you're using logic is over simplifying it by implying that means it's any better.

QB Brett Favre got lots of injuries but didn't miss a game.

DT Harrell got a couple injuries, mainly his back injury which kept flaring up year after year after year... but by your standards it's only one injury. So Favre got injured a lot more often.


That (while extreme) proves it's not by the number of injuries.


You did bring up a great way to look at it in games and years.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Starks has only played 22 games in 3 years.


And facts are career wise Green has averaged 8 games a season while Starks averages 7.333 which isn't a huge difference.

In the last two years Green has averaged 8 games a season while Starks averages 9.5 games a season.


It's about available and playing level... not number of injuries...and the fact is their available has been about the same (poor).

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#21 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:44:22 AM(UTC)
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There's a big difference to being hurt and being injured. Brett Favre was hurt, not injured. You can play hurt. You can't play injured.

So they say anyway. I don't know how putting a cast on a broken wrist falls into the "hurt" category, but I don't make the rules.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:07:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
I suppose the real question about who the Packers will cut next is What do the Vikings still need?


You mean besides a QB?

As far as the topic goes I have to go with the trend and say Starks followed by Kuhn. Starks for the injury problems, Kuhn for Lacy swiping his short yard carries and I think DJ Williams nabs his blocking duties as H-back this year.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:36:56 AM(UTC)
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There's a LOT of guys gonna go for a lot of reasons - being injury-prone (Starks), being overpaid (Kuhn), being at the bottom end of a crowded position (D.J. Williams - I'm thinking Ryan Taylor is better than D.J.), etc.

The primary reason so many are gonna be gone is that Ted Thompson is bringing in a bumper crop of newcomers. Hopefully he/they can wangle ways to keep as many of those as possible, as 53 just doesn't begin to satisfy the number of talented players they will have in camp.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:39:17 AM(UTC)
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I wonder if Giorgio Tavecchio will steal a roster spot from Mason Crosby...?

Crosby is one hell of a kicker, if you take away last season. He has our 3 longest FGs in franchise history. Looking through all of his records and stats, he has been remarkable, if you take away last season.

Could that one bad season, coupled with a high price tag, do him in? It is possible.

Tavecchio finished his last season at Cal hitting 87% of his FGs, a single season school record, making 20 of 23. He averaged just above 60 yds on his KOs for his career, but has booted 25 KOs in his career over 70 yds. His career long FG at Cal was 54 yds.

He might not have the consistency for distance Crosby does on KOs, but they may deem that a wash with Tavecchio coming in at a far lower price. Last year scared the crap out of me the way Mason fell apart. Those are important points, points that we did not score.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:10:51 AM(UTC)
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Crosby or Tavecchio?
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