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Offline OlHoss1884  
#31 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2013 11:48:02 PM(UTC)

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Something that has sort of come up above but was talked about on PFT...a big part of the issue is there were no clear criteria spelled out for the voters. Is it based on last year? A projection (which it seems like to me, partly because it's the best of 2013) and should past performance beyond the last year or two matter at all? Obviously the better GM's don't think so at all, they are about what someone will do THIS year and beyond.

As much as people despise a lot of sportswriters I would be more interested in the PFT list they are working on because they are going to poll a lot of guys who watch a lot of football in a (mostly) unbiased way and they will have better guidelines. There will still be arguments and flaws in it but I bet Antonio Gates is not higher than Jimmy Graham and that Brady is not higher than Rodgers. (Manning might be, as he will only face top 10 defenses twice this year...I expect him to look monstrous.)
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OlHoss1884 said: Go to Quoted Post
There will still be arguments and flaws in it but I bet Antonio Gates is not higher than Jimmy Graham and that Brady is not higher than Rodgers. (Manning might be, as he will only face top 10 defenses twice this year...I expect him to look monstrous.)


How do you know what teams will be top 10 in defensive scoring this season or are you mistakenly assuming that last years top 10 in defensive scoring will be this years top 10 as well?
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#33 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:30:12 AM(UTC)

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How do you know what teams will be top 10 in defensive scoring this season or are you mistakenly assuming that last years top 10 in defensive scoring will be this years top 10 as well?


It was based on last year's rankings, and reported on NFL network when they were discussing which QB would have a better year.
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#34 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2013 8:09:49 AM(UTC)

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All I can say is if Brady has a better year with the guys he's lost to throw to my hat will be off to him. I would say it's a stretch though.
Also, I see Rodgers being highly more productive with just a reasonable improvement in the running game. I believe his game will raise up disproportionally to any improvement they get running the ball. I say this because Rodgers does not need much to do great things and he has the talent to take any increased production from another area and use it to put a dagger in about any D.

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#35 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2013 12:28:41 PM(UTC)

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Did Rodgers winning the 2011 MVP take the sting out of that early playoff exit ?
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#36 Posted : Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:22:41 AM(UTC)

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Did Rodgers winning the 2011 MVP take the sting out of that early playoff exit ?


No but it was better than no players getting an mvp or missing the playoffs all together
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#37 Posted : Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:52:16 AM(UTC)

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What did peyton win his 2nd superbowl last year or something?



The main reason I would take Manning over Rodgers is for the sake of him knowing other teams defenses probably as good as the opposing team does. I personally can't stand the guy but he has the best football mind playing qb right now. Rodgers has a ways to go and as always I say fuck that passer rating crap. I am not bashing Rodgers but for 1 year I would take Manning over anyone.
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#38 Posted : Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:08:47 PM(UTC)

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The main reason I would take Manning over Rodgers is for the sake of him knowing other teams defenses probably as good as the opposing team does. I personally can't stand the guy but he has the best football mind playing qb right now. Rodgers has a ways to go and as always I say fuck that passer rating crap. I am not bashing Rodgers but for 1 year I would take Manning over anyone.


Rofl you act like Manning is god. He's only won 1 Superbowl and lets face it the defense had a lot to do with that.
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#39 Posted : Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:59:24 PM(UTC)

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Rofl you act like Manning is god. He's only won 1 Superbowl and lets face it the defense had a lot to do with that.


You mean the one that had to shutdown the immortal Rex Grossman in the rain?
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#40 Posted : Saturday, July 6, 2013 1:53:13 PM(UTC)

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Rofl you act like Manning is god. He's only won 1 Superbowl and lets face it the defense had a lot to do with that.



P. Manning is really good, but I think he falls just short of TRULY GREAT. He just seems to choke a lot in the playoffs, although they probably should have beaten the Ravens last year. But still, they didn't. The same could be said about Aaron Rodgers, too, if the Packers continue their recent pattern of the past couple of seasons. They've got to change that.
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