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Offline Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Friday, July 12, 2013 10:50:04 AM(UTC)
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Ouch, I guess I'll have to school you more often - but then you get all menopausal too. I guess I'm surrounded by girls in this forum as well as in my house. [grin1]



OOH SNAP TIME TO GET SANDnVAGINA ALL UP IN YO FACE AND SHOW YOU SOME MAN-O-PAUSE!!





But really, Mike Neal ... healthy all 16 games ... I'd consider that a good season for him.
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#12 Posted : Friday, July 12, 2013 11:14:59 AM(UTC)
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OOH SNAP TIME TO GET SANDnVAGINA ALL UP IN YO FACE AND SHOW YOU SOME MAN-O-PAUSE!!





But really, Mike Neal ... healthy all 16 games ... I'd consider that a good season for him.


Mike McCarthy said Neal could not be blocked in training camp last year. I also saw some stats last year showing Neal as the second rated 34 DE for pressures on the quarterback ranking behind only JJ Watt. Hopefully he can kick the bad luck injury bug.
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Mike McCarthy said Neal could not be blocked in training camp last year. I also saw some stats last year showing Neal as the second rated 34 DE for pressures on the quarterback ranking behind only JJ Watt. Hopefully he can kick the bad luck injury bug.


He didn't play 50% of snaps, so I had to set it to 25% to even get Mike Neal in the list lol
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Offline DakotaT  
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
He didn't play 50% of snaps, so I had to set it to 25% to even get Mike Neal in the list lol


Hey, I don't put parameters on things. My point is that he is very effective when on the field. # of sacks is a poor indicator of a person's effectiveness. KGB had a lot of sacks, but I don't recall many at money time.
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Hey, I don't put parameters on things. My point is that he is very effective when on the field. # of sacks is a poor indicator of a person's effectiveness. KGB had a lot of sacks, but I don't recall many at money time.


KGB never maintained outside containment.

Sacks aren't everything.
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Mike McCarthy said Neal could not be blocked in training camp last year.


Against the Packers offensive line? They have a way of making almost every pass rusher look un-blockable.

But in all seriousness, I'm a Neal fan. I think he can be a force, but he needs to stay available to be consistent. I'm certainly hoping he does. If just one other pass rusher can step up as a prominent threat on the Packers defense, they will improve substantially. Hopefully the Packers have 2-3 more threats this upcoming season.
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I choose Permateal as my most valuable Packer

That is

These guys


Perry
Matthews
Neal


They can stop Copernick
Offline play2win  
#18 Posted : Friday, July 12, 2013 2:21:06 PM(UTC)
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Hey, I don't put parameters on things. My point is that he is very effective when on the field. # of sacks is a poor indicator of a person's effectiveness. KGB had a lot of sacks, but I don't recall many at money time.


How effective is a player who only plays 25% of snaps? I mean, how effective can that 25% be to the overall span of a game?

Not a knock on you at all, I'm just throwing this out there because I find that stat a bit enlightening. Thank God Ted drafted Datone and Boyd. I think those two are going to help immensely this season.

To me, Mike Neal still has one hell of a lot to prove. I'll be impressed when he last through the entire season and playoffs, and get's his sacks totals up near 10 or more. Then I'll be impressed.

I thought he played well last year, and also disappeared. We can't have the latter... Say what you will about sacks being overrated. Fuck it. I want 'em! Bring it.

Unblockable means sacks and tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage. There was not a single game last season where he had more than 2 tackles... I mean, c'mon... 5.5 sacks in 3 seasons? 7 Tackles for Loss in 3 seasons? "Unblockable?" Give me what he's smokin'!

Mike Neal needs to prove his worth this season. He will have no excuses, not with the talent he will be lining up with.
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How effective is a player who only plays 25% of snaps? I mean, how effective can that 25% be to the overall span of a game?

Not a knock on you at all, I'm just throwing this out there because I find that stat a bit enlightening. Thank God Ted drafted Datone and Boyd. I think those two are going to help immensely this season.

To me, Mike Neal still has one hell of a lot to prove. I'll be impressed when he last through the entire season and playoffs, and get's his sacks totals up near 10 or more. Then I'll be impressed.

I thought he played well last year, and also disappeared. We can't have the latter... Say what you will about sacks being overrated. Fuck it. I want 'em! Bring it.

Unblockable means sacks and tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage. There was not a single game last season where he had more than 2 tackles... I mean, c'mon... 5.5 sacks in 3 seasons? 7 Tackles for Loss in 3 seasons? "Unblockable?" Give me what he's smokin'!

Mike Neal needs to prove his worth this season. He will have no excuses, not with the talent he will be lining up with.


There are 2 completely different aspects you are talking about.

A.)How good he is

Secondly: How much he contributes.

Per snap production is how good he is.

Season totals is his contribution. (or in your case, 3 season totals)

Neal is unquestionably a very talented player. With a suspension and some injuries, his total production has not lived up to his ability.

There is a reasonable expectation that if Neal has a full healthy year, he could be one of the top 5 linemen in the league. There is not a reasonable expectation that he will have a full healthy year.

He is an interior lineman in the 3-4 which is designed to get the OLBs sacks. Now it is great when the DL can step up and generate a few sacks and pressures. But expecting double digit sacks from them is unrealistic.

And as was mentioned, sacks are not a great indicator of how much contribution a D lineman has. Even if a lineman like Jarred Allen set a record for sacks, it is still only 23 out of 1000 plays. How he does on the other 977 plays also matters. 45% of which are running plays.
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