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Offline yooperfan  
#16 Posted : Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:26:01 PM(UTC)

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I'm not a big fan of Bulaga but hopefully he will be better than Newhouse who I'm definitely not a fan of.
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If he will be better than Newhouse shouldn't even be a question[/quote

You are right, just about every tackle in the NFL is better than Newhouse.
Bulaga will be a better left tackle.
I lost my head there for a second.

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#17 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 5:56:25 AM(UTC)

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My thoughts on the OL are probably pretty well known, but I haven't stated them in a month or so.....

Newhouse: Average. Substantially better at RT than LT. I think his biggest problem at LT was that he was still thinking too much instead of moving naturally,and that slowed his movement. I think he won't have that over-thinking problem on the right side. I'm okay with this move, as he will be more of a positive contributor than he was.
Lang: Overrated. Mediocre at LG. Hopefully will be better at RG. Position will definitely be worse. Hopefully he will be no more of a negative on right than on left.
Dietrich-Smith: Serviceable. Nothing to get excited about for bad or good.
Sitton: A stud at RG. Hopefully he'll be a stud at LG, too. But part of me says the net effect will be downgrade (the loss of Sitton at RG won't be made up, quite, by the improvement at LG as he learns the new position).
Bulaga: If not for Lang, IMO would be most overrated player on the line. I just don't see what everyone else seems to have seen in 2011. I thought he was an average RT. I think Newhouse at RT may prove better than Bulaga, and I don't think he will be worse. Maybe Bulaga's one of those guys who will be better at LT than at RT. And event if he isn't, he may well be better at LT than Newhouse was.

Back-ups: I refuse to get excited about what is, in the end, nothing more than "potential" as yet unrealized. If they come on and perform well when needed, I'll be happy. If one of them beats out Lang, I wouldn't be surprised. And, who knows, maybe the team will get lucky and find a Sitton-esque talent among them to replace Bulaga and/or Newhouse. But I'm not going to expect any of that. I see them as "potential" now, and I expect that's what most of them will still be in both October and January.

And one thing I just don't buy from Thompson/McCarthy/Campen on the OL anymore is the "great potential" argument when it is made about an offensive lineman.

Summary: I'll be ecstatic if an improvement is somehow found for Lang. I'm very leery of moving the all-pro Sitton because it may negate some of the contribution by the one undeniable stud on the line. I'm not sold on either Bulaga or Newhouse, but have no problem with the switch since I don't see anyone better than either on the roster yet.

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#18 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 5:57:25 AM(UTC)

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My thoughts on the OL are probably pretty well known, but I haven't stated them in a month or so.....

Newhouse: Average. Substantially better at RT than LT. I think his biggest problem at LT was that he was still thinking too much instead of moving naturally,and that slowed his movement. I think he won't have that over-thinking problem on the right side. I'm okay with this move, as he will be more of a positive contributor than he was.
Lang: Overrated. Mediocre at LG. Hopefully will be better at RG. Position will definitely be worse. Hopefully he will be no more of a negative on right than on left.
Dietrich-Smith: Serviceable. Nothing to get excited about for bad or good.
Sitton: A stud at RG. Hopefully he'll be a stud at LG, too. But part of me says the net effect will be downgrade (the loss of Sitton at RG won't be made up, quite, by the improvement at LG as he learns the new position).
Bulaga: If not for Lang, IMO would be most overrated player on the line. I just don't see what everyone else seems to have seen in 2011. I thought he was an average RT. I think Newhouse at RT may prove better than Bulaga, and I don't think he will be worse. Maybe Bulaga's one of those guys who will be better at LT than at RT. And event if he isn't, he may well be better at LT than Newhouse was.

Back-ups: I refuse to get excited about what is, in the end, nothing more than "potential" as yet unrealized. If they come on and perform well when needed, I'll be happy. If one of them beats out Lang, I wouldn't be surprised. And, who knows, maybe the team will get lucky and find a Sitton-esque talent among them to replace Bulaga and/or Newhouse. But I'm not going to expect any of that. I see them as "potential" now, and I expect that's what most of them will still be in both October and January.

And one thing I just don't buy from Thompson/McCarthy/Campen on the OL anymore is the "great potential" argument when it is made about an offensive lineman.

Summary: I'll be ecstatic if an improvement is somehow found for Lang. I'm very leery of moving the all-pro Sitton because it may negate some of the contribution by the one undeniable stud on the line. I'm not sold on either Bulaga or Newhouse, but have no problem with the switch since I don't see anyone better than either on the roster yet.


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#19 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 9:08:40 AM(UTC)

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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
My thoughts on the OL are probably pretty well known, but I haven't stated them in a month or so.....

Newhouse: Average. Substantially better at RT than LT. I think his biggest problem at LT was that he was still thinking too much instead of moving naturally,and that slowed his movement. I think he won't have that over-thinking problem on the right side. I'm okay with this move, as he will be more of a positive contributor than he was.
Lang: Overrated. Mediocre at LG. Hopefully will be better at RG. Position will definitely be worse. Hopefully he will be no more of a negative on right than on left.
Dietrich-Smith: Serviceable. Nothing to get excited about for bad or good.
Sitton: A stud at RG. Hopefully he'll be a stud at LG, too. But part of me says the net effect will be downgrade (the loss of Sitton at RG won't be made up, quite, by the improvement at LG as he learns the new position).
Bulaga: If not for Lang, IMO would be most overrated player on the line. I just don't see what everyone else seems to have seen in 2011. I thought he was an average RT. I think Newhouse at RT may prove better than Bulaga, and I don't think he will be worse. Maybe Bulaga's one of those guys who will be better at LT than at RT. And event if he isn't, he may well be better at LT than Newhouse was.

Back-ups: I refuse to get excited about what is, in the end, nothing more than "potential" as yet unrealized. If they come on and perform well when needed, I'll be happy. If one of them beats out Lang, I wouldn't be surprised. And, who knows, maybe the team will get lucky and find a Sitton-esque talent among them to replace Bulaga and/or Newhouse. But I'm not going to expect any of that. I see them as "potential" now, and I expect that's what most of them will still be in both October and January.

And one thing I just don't buy from Thompson/McCarthy/Campen on the OL anymore is the "great potential" argument when it is made about an offensive lineman.

Summary: I'll be ecstatic if an improvement is somehow found for Lang. I'm very leery of moving the all-pro Sitton because it may negate some of the contribution by the one undeniable stud on the line. I'm not sold on either Bulaga or Newhouse, but have no problem with the switch since I don't see anyone better than either on the roster yet.





Brian Bulaga undoubtedly played very well many times. I really don't how some missed that. He definitely had a couple of bad games in 2012, and then got hurt. I'm certainly not going to use a few bad games to judge a player as a whole, and the play calling also has to take at least a small percentage of that blame. Bulaga was integral to a Super Bowl run and win, and played very well for stretches. He was somewhat inconsistent, but how many offensive linemen aren't? Perhaps the elite players, but there aren't many of those and most teams won't have even one, especially when drafting late every year. Make no mistake, Bulaga was a good to very good right tackle, and at times, even better. Some exceptions here and there doesn't change that.

With that being said, I don't expect him to be as good at left tackle, unfortunately. I guess I can understand the logic of doing so, but I think Bulaga is much better suited for the right side, just as Newhouse probably is. It's a fairly typical problem in the NFL. There just aren't many really good left tackles out there, which is why the most recent draft panned out as it did.

As I said, I will never expect anything other than an average offensive line under the current coaching structure. Average is probably the best-case scenario. Hopefully they can actually achieve average, because if they do, the Packers will be right in the mix of contenders.
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#20 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 1:39:03 PM(UTC)

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Lang is gonna bust out this year. Keep in mind, he played one armed most of last season.

As for Bulaga, I'm not even concerned.
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#21 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 5:41:32 PM(UTC)

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I think sometimes people hear that 'Bulaga is good' and they just repeat it. Has anyone seen the sack numbers from last year? There are holes in this offensive line. And at times that certainly was Bulaga. There is no really good player on this O line. Sitton is the closest thing...I think.
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#22 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 8:53:05 PM(UTC)

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I think sometimes people hear that 'Bulaga is good' and they just repeat it. Has anyone seen the sack numbers from last year? There are holes in this offensive line. And at times that certainly was Bulaga. There is no really good player on this O line. Sitton is the closest thing...I think.

He gave up 5 ½ sacks last season. I agree that’s a lot for nine games, but at least two of them occurred in just one game. I believe two more came against San Francisco and (maybe) New Orleans, respectively. In other words, he had a very bad September, but one bad month of football doesn’t destroy his body of work.

Perhaps I’m reading too much into this, but I believe the debacle in Seattle is when people made up their minds about Bryan Bulaga. That game was on national television and had a controversial ending in which the Packers got the raw deal. Everything was put under a microscope (namely Bulaga and Mike McCarthy’s play calling).

I will concede that he took a step back in 2012. I don’t think he took a significant step back, though. After September, he was a competent player, particularly against Houston, Indianapolis, and Jacksonville. Find yourself a copy of the Ram game from last year, and watch him dominate Chris Long.

I’m going to re-focus on 2011 because of Wade’s comments.

Bulaga gave up 18 pressures in 2011. I think Pro Football Focus put this number at 24. Either way, both are very good numbers. By comparisons, Marshall Newhouse gave up 42 pressures in 2012 and 41 in 2011.

Newhouse won’t last another season in Green Bay unless he drastically improves. He’s too soft, especially as a run blocker, to play guard. He doesn’t have the physical ability to play left tackle. I guess that leaves right tackle, but the Packers like to run right, and Newhouse can’t run block.

I’m admittedly worried about the o-line because I don’t think the Packers did anything to make it better. If Bulaga plays well at left tackle (and I do have reservations about this), they still are stuck with Newhouse or Don Barclay at right tackle.
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