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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49:12 AM(UTC)
Jerel Worthy was starting to really come into his own towards the end of the season and then was lost in the Vikings game. Worthy had more snaps at DE on passing downs than any of the other DE on the Packers roster and netted 3 sacks. In the excuse game, I can't help wonder what importance he would have been to the Packers in the playoffs?
steveishere  
#2 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 8:14:45 AM(UTC)
Who knows. A stronger player on the line may have prevented a couple of those runs by kaepernick.
DoddPower  
#3 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 8:23:34 AM(UTC)
I've maintained that Jerel Worthy can be an effective NFL player. I'm not worried about him not lighting it up his rookie season. That's fairly typical, and I kind of expected it with him. With that being said, he was still decent at times, even while learning a completely new scheme and being played out of position, at times.

He's not an elite talent. Let's not kid ourselves. However, he had the potential to be a very effective penetrating pass rusher. He's quick, stout, and somewhat of a technician. He would likely be even better in a 4-3 defense, as he would have more opportunities. The main thing I worry about with Jerel Worthy is his opportunities, even if he can return 100% healthy (which probably won't be this upcoming season). The Packers now have a number of pass rushing only (at least close to only) defensive linemen, such as Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Mike Daniels, sometimes BJ Raji, and perhaps another will surface. This doesn't leave many opportunities for basically two spots in the nickle and dime packages. One can also add Datone Jones in that mix, as well. It's crowded, to say the least, and it's going to be somewhat difficult to get reps. I don't think Worthy at defensive end is the greatest idea most of the time, especially with Datone healthy. Perhaps he could work himself into that role, but I'm not really expecting it. If he could just focus on getting healthy and becoming an effective pass rusher, he'll have a spot on a team for several years to come.

My guess is if he doesn't stay with the Packers, he'll find his way to a 4-3 team and be a decent defensive tackle.
Pack93z  
#4 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 8:29:00 AM(UTC)
I think long term Worthy is very important to the Packers.. in terms of last season and against the Niners.. I would say he would have helped but not solved the issue.

The Packers edges of the defense were so poor in that game, that he would have had to disrupt the plays in the backfield with monumental portions to protect the soft edges.

I think the Packers are changing their MO on defense, I think we are going to see them put a paramount on linebacker speed across the board and going to try and make sure the edge backers understand how to set the edge. Walden was inconsistent at doing it, often jumping the inside too quickly. Even Matthews needs to improve at times. Perry should help, but we will see how he truly adapts to coverage in order to stay on the field.

I think Bishop was the first piece to go in that regard...

Back to Worthy... I think the Packers picked the right guy anchor that line for the next 5 + years in Worthy.. he reminds me of a younger Jolly in terms of a disrupter.. hopefully he will return in the same mold.
agopackgo4  
#5 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 8:39:26 AM(UTC)
Worthy wouldn't have fixed jack in that playoff game vs SF last year. The Packers got bulldozed at times with him on the field. Their defensive problems go deeper than not having him.
DoddPower  
#6 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 9:13:20 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I think long term Worthy is very important to the Packers.. in terms of last season and against the Niners.. I would say he would have helped but not solved the issue.

The Packers edges of the defense were so poor in that game, that he would have had to disrupt the plays in the backfield with monumental portions to protect the soft edges.

I think the Packers are changing their MO on defense, I think we are going to see them put a paramount on linebacker speed across the board and going to try and make sure the edge backers understand how to set the edge. Walden was inconsistent at doing it, often jumping the inside too quickly. Even Matthews needs to improve at times. Perry should help, but we will see how he truly adapts to coverage in order to stay on the field.

I think Bishop was the first piece to go in that regard...

Back to Worthy... I think the Packers picked the right guy anchor that line for the next 5 + years in Worthy.. he reminds me of a younger Jolly in terms of a disrupter.. hopefully he will return in the same mold.


I just don't see Jerel Worthy being any kind of anchor on defense, such as Jolly was, and others have been. He's a pass-rushing defensive tackle, and that's about it. He can be pushed around easily at times, and has always appeared inconsistent. He's going to have to get MUCH stronger and disciplined if he wants to be any kind of main-stay in a 3-4 defense.

Pack93z  
#7 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26:13 AM(UTC)
DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
I just don't see Jerel Worthy being any kind of anchor on defense, such as Jolly was, and others have been. He's a pass-rushing defensive tackle, and that's about it. He can be pushed around easily at times, and has always appeared inconsistent. He's going to have to get MUCH stronger and disciplined if he wants to be any kind of main-stay in a 3-4 defense.



I guess I relate that to what I seen of him in college yearly.. the guy isn't a All Pro caliber player snap in and out, but I have seen him at times dominate a Wisconsin offensive line in which 4 of the 5 (RT) are now playing in the NFL. Yes the knock is consistency.. but not a lack of talent. My opinion anyway.
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#8 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 9:31:30 AM(UTC)
Jolly's uniqueness was the instinct to knock down passes - the original J.J. Swat. Other than that, he was nothing special. Worthy IMO hasn't shown anything special either so far, but he still could. He was impressive in college. I hope he gets to show something one way or the other this season because I think he is a large part of the decision to keep or let go Raji. I'd rather see the Packers have a less bulky but maybe stronger D-Line - Pickett and Raji gone in '14 with some combination of Worthy, Neal, Daniel in the lineup with Datone Jones.
Laser Gunns  
#9 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 10:08:41 AM(UTC)
Worthy did not impress me last year.

With a late season ACL his prospects for this year are not great either.
OlHoss1884  
#10 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 11:56:17 AM(UTC)
Last year the Rams played well, probably better than most, against her 49ers and Seahawks. I think part of this was that their defensive front got better penetration to mess things up in the backfield (Gore is not a make you miss guy and James is not a tackle breaker) and because their secondary sucked they played a lot of zone. Baltimore played much the same way.

The Packers weren't penetrating much to cause disruption, and they played man all game (backs to the line). I expect the game plan to be somewhat different this year against such teams and with a healthier, deeper line the play up front to be more effective.

Worthy is going to miss the first part of the season recovering from his injury so we won't see what effect he has on SF this year, either, unless we meet them in the playoffs.

beast  
#11 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 12:52:49 PM(UTC)
OlHoss1884 said: Go to Quoted Post
Last year the Rams played well, probably better than most, against her 49ers and Seahawks. I think part of this was that their defensive front got better penetration to mess things up in the backfield (Gore is not a make you miss guy and James is not a tackle breaker) and because their secondary sucked they played a lot of zone. Baltimore played much the same way.


One of the rams defenders talked about that and said the key was simple controlling the edges of the defense, saying their DEs kicked the 49ers OT butt...

Where the Packers edge guys DE/OLB got their butts kicked against the 49ers.

Matthews held his own but the DE to his side didn't making him do more than his role which open up a hole in his lane.

Pickett held his own but he doesn't have the quickness nor speed to stop the edge run to the outside where Walden was HORRIBLE.


Writing this makes me wonder.... if Picket and Matthews were on the same side, would they of been able to shut down that side? ... forcing the 49ers to go to the other side / middle where the defense could attempt to load up on? Just a thought...
play2win  
#12 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 1:55:12 PM(UTC)
He's a 2nd round pick. #19 in R2. He must produce. Had a difficult start, but was making some progress. All I want is to see him progress next season. Not pushing for him to play at all this year. Give him a year post surgery, and see what the kid can really do. I'm hopeful. I like him. He's shown virtually nothing thusfar to be honest... I was disappointed with his 2012.
brandland  
#13 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 8:14:35 PM(UTC)
i think next year when he is at 100% he will be better than he was last year. he has the right size and he did get 2 sacks i think . that offense the niners put on us was never used til that game . they knew if they went in and played like they did with smith their new qb would not have been able to stay up with rodgers. they studied our defense and then the coach went into his old stanford playbook and unleashed it. i just dont think it will work this time around with crabtree out and gore questionable. who knows we may go in ready for the read option and they go to old fashion football
nerdmann  
#14 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 8:54:39 PM(UTC)
brandland said: Go to Quoted Post
i think next year when he is at 100% he will be better than he was last year. he has the right size and he did get 2 sacks i think . that offense the niners put on us was never used til that game . they knew if they went in and played like they did with smith their new qb would not have been able to stay up with rodgers. they studied our defense and then the coach went into his old stanford playbook and unleashed it. i just dont think it will work this time around with crabtree out and gore questionable. who knows we may go in ready for the read option and they go to old fashion football


Kaepernick is gonna get concussed, and that will be the end of the Read Option.
DarkaneRules  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:05:34 AM(UTC)
Nerdmann haha...

Anyway I am actually looking more at Neal and Daniels this year to contribute but look to be pleasantly surprised if Worthy makes some positive noise.
PackerTraxx  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:18:56 AM(UTC)
I would like to see us get a couple more big 3-4 DEs. Then move Worthy to nose if he can put on the weight and get the job done.
Mucky Tundra  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:12:31 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Kaepernick is gonna get concussed, and that will be the end of the Read Option.


Agreed. I'm tired of people saying about Kaepernick and Wilson of Seattle, "Oh they're not running QBs like Vick, they avoid contact by sliding and getting out of bounds, they're smart etc." All it takes is the one time they do go for the first down instead of getting out of bounds, one James Harrison like cheap shot, one play where the defender comes in for a tackle before the QB got down for the slide and that'll be it.

DarkaneRules  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:42:51 AM(UTC)
In all fairness doesn't Aaron Rodgers already have two in his Pro career? That being said we have a superbowl win :)
nerdmann  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:07:11 AM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
In all fairness doesn't Aaron Rodgers already have two in his Pro career? That being said we have a superbowl win :)


Yeah and guess what. We don't run the Read Option.
Zero2Cool  
#20 Posted : Saturday, December 7, 2013 7:45:35 AM(UTC)
Extremely important. Get him back on the field!!
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