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Offline steveishere  
#31 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:08:02 AM(UTC)

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When we had Woodson we pretty much were playing a 4-3 since he was playing his slot CB position like a linebacker. With Hayward it's more of a traditional nickle formation with less support near the LOS but an improvement in coverage. I honestly do not care how they line up as long as they get stops.
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:32:36 AM(UTC)

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Neal is more of an NT than a DE.

He is very strong but only has the bull rush move. He has not learned other techniques. He has trouble splitting double teams.

Raji and Pickett will need some snaps off.

I think of him as number 5 on the chart with some untapped potential. If he could use his hands better he could be much better.

I don't think the Packers will give up on the guy yet. He has some great athletic qualities that are tough to find. He just has to learn that he can't just depend upon his strength alone.


Neal is not enough close to being a nose tackle. He's not even a DT in a traditional 4-3 defense. At best, he's a defensive end, and now they're trying to train him to be an OLB. I'm not sure I agree with the change, but this team loves making players learn completely new positions. I'd be happy with just letting him focus on being a rotational pass rusher. If he could provide a pass rush off the bench in certain situations, he would be a great asset for the team, even if he provided little else.

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#33 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:48:40 AM(UTC)

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Neal is not enough close to being a nose tackle. He's not even a DT in a traditional 4-3 defense. At best, he's a defensive end, and now they're trying to train him to be an OLB. I'm not sure I agree with the change, but this team loves making players learn completely new positions. I'd be happy with just letting him focus on being a rotational pass rusher. If he could provide a pass rush off the bench in certain situations, he would be a great asset for the team, even if he provided little else.



Well if he can provide pass rush off the bench in more situations he'd also be a great asset. It's not like we have a plethora of pass rushers behind Matthews and Perry. If the guy is spending a good amount of time on the bench as a DL but is our best back up OLB why not let him learn OLB. It gets a pass rush specialist more opportunity to be on the field and opens up another roster spot. Win/win.
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#34 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:00:22 AM(UTC)

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Good comments, I too would like to see more of a 3-3-5 or even a 3-2-6. With Perry back, Jones, Daniels, Neal, and Matthews we can field 4-5 good outside pass rushers. Plus we may have found a DB to add to the equation in Hyde. With these thoughts in mind, Raji becomes a key to get pressure up the middle so QBs can't step up and throw. He's has shown in the past to be able to do that. Last year the coaches said he had a good year but it didn't show because of constant double and triple teams. I think the large number of snaps also hurt. So we should be able to put together some pretty good passing down defenses. If we're lucky we may even have another 1 or 2 of the young LBs step up and be able to add them to the mix.
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#35 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:16:18 AM(UTC)

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I want to see more delayed blitzes.
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#36 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:28:50 AM(UTC)

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I want to see more delayed blitzes.


I want to see more pressure on the QB. I don't care if it is a blitz, delayed blitz, 6 man line or a kid on a tricycle. I hate it when they send only 3 or even 2 guys and the QB can stand back there all day waiting for a receiver to find the open spot in the defense.
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#37 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:41:27 AM(UTC)

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steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Well if he can provide pass rush off the bench in more situations he'd also be a great asset. It's not like we have a plethora of pass rushers behind Matthews and Perry. If the guy is spending a good amount of time on the bench as a DL but is our best back up OLB why not let him learn OLB. It gets a pass rush specialist more opportunity to be on the field and opens up another roster spot. Win/win.


I agree with that, in theory, but there's no guarantee Neal will be as effective rushing the passer from the OLB position as he could be on the defensive line. It's not an insignificant change in technique. Also, the change has contributed to him losing weight, which could affect his pass rush ability (or improve it). Hopefully he can be effective from both positions, but that's yet to be seen, at least on game day. He didn't seem very effective against the Rams, although I don't think he did as bad as others seem to think. He didn't do great, but he also didn't get pushed around.

Making Neal learn another position just creates more unknowns, and more for him to prove. It also provides more opportunity, but opportunity does not equal success or production. It could also mean an opportunity to flop. At least it was fairly obvious he could be effective at times on the defensive line. Either way, I certainly hope he pans out, because I'm a fan of the guy and I think he has a ton of talent. He just needs to stay healthy and be more consistent.
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Jones got hurt again. Looks like he re-aggrivated his original injury.
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