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Offline Pack93z  
#11 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:51:32 PM(UTC)
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Zero.. sorry if you took offense as that was not the intention.. but how else does one do research upon such a topic?

From people inside the Packers organization? .. do we believe that they would be unbiased in their viewpoint or have all the details.

Unless someone knows one of the 4 main players in this past mess, then where else would you gather your information?

IMO, each and every person that pens any piece does it with some personal bias attached.. directly upon the story or indirectly with which source they utilize.. my point is the only way to do research upon this is to utilize someones view of the fact they have gathered. There was no film to study, no taping of the calls, no score being kept someplace on the fiasco.

My only point of saying anything is that we are so quick to slam a source that may have intimate knowledge of the story behind the press.. I would love to know exactly how it played out, but quite honestly, that story probably will never be told with an unbiased voice. IMO of course.

It was just another viewpoint based on their conversations with the three individuals and treated as such... but as most things in the past, there will always be some shading to the story with the reality buried to never be found.

It is of the past, sorry I ruffled a feather.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:58:03 PM(UTC)
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I have moved on, just thought the conversation was interesting. nice person too. I spent about 25 min. with them. took a pic of them with an extrememe hottie on their bike.


No doubt interesting, and I appreciate you sharing it with us :) Even though I think its unreliable :P
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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:07:38 PM(UTC)
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I said that I take offense to any assumption that I trust the newspapers, etc, so if you weren't assuming that, no problem :)

How does one do research? Effort, read transcripts and watch press conferences, pay attention to detail and don't let your emotion's pursuade your opinion. You hear it from the individual themselves. It's not much to go on, but its a helluva lot better than a source that you can't name but will give out that information.

As I said, it was interesting and glad it was shared. Do I believe it? Not how it was presented, no.

The only feather I have ruffled is people thinking they know what happened. We don't. We might not ever know so why does this have to be an issue?

Maybe I see this all wrong. I've kind of felt about it like this. I love the Packers and I love Brett Favre. It's like two kids. I wouldn't disown either of them. Am I disapointed them in them both? Most defintely. Will I allow anyone to throw negative speculation around as it is factual? Not on this website. I will do my best to make sure both sides are viewed accurately.
Offline Trippster  
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:25:22 PM(UTC)
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I said that I take offense to any assumption that I trust the newspapers, etc, so if you weren't assuming that, no problem :)

How does one do research? Effort, read transcripts and watch press conferences, pay attention to detail and don't let your emotion's pursuade your opinion. You hear it from the individual themselves. It's not much to go on, but its a helluva lot better than a source that you can't name but will give out that information.

As I said, it was interesting and glad it was shared. Do I believe it? Not how it was presented, no.

The only feather I have ruffled is people thinking they know what happened. We don't. We might not ever know so why does this have to be an issue?

Maybe I see this all wrong. I've kind of felt about it like this. I love the Packers and I love Brett Favre. It's like two kids. I wouldn't disown either of them. Am I disapointed them in them both? Most defintely. Will I allow anyone to throw negative speculation around as it is factual? Not on this website. I will do my best to make sure both sides are viewed accurately.


What your saying then is you only believe what people say with the camera on or the pen writing. Not what they say in private to trusted sources.

I will give you an example from the past. When Greg Maddux left the Cubs for Atlanta, the story that was reported was nowhere near what really happened. I knwo that because I knew those that were involved with the actual events.

I simply put down what the guy told me was his imipression of his conversations with TT,BF,and MM. If you are going to go by what thay say in the media then maybe you think OJ is innocent and is still out there looking for the real killer. Or that nothing really happened between Kobe and the girl, cuz he said so directly.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:41:52 PM(UTC)
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The last portion was extremely uncalled for and inappropriate and strong indication you don't understand what I'm saying.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:46:19 PM(UTC)
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is there any way i can iggy an ENTIRE section of the site? cuz everytime i read something in this particular section, my blood pressure ends up going thru the ROOF!!! ;)
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#17 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:47:43 PM(UTC)
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is there any way i can iggy an ENTIRE section of the site? cuz everytime i read something in this particular section, my blood pressure ends up going thru the ROOF!!! ;)


Mine is getting there when I read things like the post most recent to my last one. The tail end of it anyhow. I don't mind being misunderstood, but to be taken out of context so rudely, irritates me greatly. Its fine not understand someone, but to go and insult them like that, ... I feel thats wrong.
Offline Trippster  
#18 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:16:05 PM(UTC)
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Then I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say. My comments weren't rude, simply if one believes what people say in regard to their own situations on TV then logic would suggest that those beliefs are also held. besides Zero, I was just egging you on.

However, you were quick to point out that what you say is so and what my source says is not.

My source has talked, off the record, and knows all parties concerned very well. What I posted was his take. Does it have bias? I am sure. Can there be some inaacuracies? maybe. But to say the whole thing is innacurate is to assume that your research is.

Unless you have a source closer than mine, I would take my source as most accurate.

You can't really go by what they said cuz it is only what they said in the media.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:23:40 PM(UTC)
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if u could spare a few mins... plz read my posts again.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:30:18 PM(UTC)
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This is not accurate, this is speculation.

Tripp, sorry, I don't mean to knock you or your source, but this is not accurate.


To me Zero, this is uncalled for...

To know that what I posted was innacurate, one must know what IS accurate. There are some on this board that are informed and have sources close to particualr situations. Responses like this only encourage others NOT to share.
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