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Offline minnypacker  
#1 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:28:56 PM(UTC)
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Who are our tradeable assts as cuts etc. take place in the next 24 hrs?

Bishop or Hodge?
Tracy White?
Colledge?
Morency?
Brohm?
KGB?
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#2 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:40:42 PM(UTC)
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No way Brohm gets traded. It's ridiculous to think TT, of all GMs would be willing to give up on a 2nd rounder after 1 preseason.

I honestly don't know if any of our players may be worth trading for. Maybe one of the LBs, I don't know.
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#3 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:46:10 PM(UTC)
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I hope any trade includes bush as a free token. We are talent deep on defense. Maybe we can swap a lb for a good o lineman.
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#4 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:56:31 PM(UTC)
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Ruvell Martin tops the list in my book.. for most teams he would be a solid #3 or #4.. James Jones would draw a ton of interest as well.. but I don't think we would part with a player coming into his second year with the potential that he has. It would take a heck of a deal for us to move him IMO.

Bishop probably has more value than Hodge based on the injury factor... but IMO he is too good to let go without a lot of value coming back to the Packers.

If I am the Packers staff.. I seriously look at Bishop, Hawk and Barnett in some configuration as the starters of this team. Bishop is a thumper that could really sew up the middle of our defense at the Point of Attack.. Barnett and Hawk could play the wings.. the issue there is Barnett's affection to the middle backer spot.
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#5 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:05:06 PM(UTC)
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Please, don't get rid of Hodge. He's my favorite defensive non-starter. Plus he's played a great pre-season.
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#6 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:21:18 PM(UTC)
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ill be really upset if they get rid of martin but i could see them tradeing KGB
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#7 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:32:20 PM(UTC)
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What about Chillar? I really like his ability to play MLB and OLB, but last night Bishop showed he could do that, too.

Agreed that Ruvell Martin is tradeable, but Rodgers seems to like him. And there's no way I'd trade James Jones unless someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

KGB is another interesting possibility, but I wouldn't, seeing how we haven't shown that we can generate pressure without him.
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#8 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:44:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Ruvell Martin tops the list in my book.. for most teams he would be a solid #3 or #4.. James Jones would draw a ton of interest as well.. but I don't think we would part with a player coming into his second year with the potential that he has. It would take a heck of a deal for us to move him IMO.

Bishop probably has more value than Hodge based on the injury factor... but IMO he is too good to let go without a lot of value coming back to the Packers.

If I am the Packers staff.. I seriously look at Bishop, Hawk and Barnett in some configuration as the starters of this team. Bishop is a thumper that could really sew up the middle of our defense at the Point of Attack.. Barnett and Hawk could play the wings.. the issue there is Barnett's affection to the middle backer spot.


Rodgers would be pissed if we traded R Martin.

Bishop, Hawk, and Barnett, hmm....
I'll have to think about that one. You are right though that Barnett loves the middle spot too much. And he's dang good at it, so I think he stays there.
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#9 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:46:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Who are our tradeable assts as cuts etc. take place in the next 24 hrs?

Bishop or Hodge?
Tracy White?
Colledge?
Morency?
Brohm?
KGB?


KGB would get us good value. Not too many teams have part-time players who get 9.5 sacks. With the top tier teams all having sick passing attacks (with the exception of the Giants), a pass rushing specialist would be good for getting past the hump.

Actually, now that I think more about that, forget it. Let's keep KGB one more year.
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#10 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:53:55 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers would be pissed if we traded R Martin.


If the offseason was any lesson here in Green Bay.. players don't run this team.. if moving Martin is a good business decision, then you pull the trigger on the deal regardless of Rodgers personal feelings about it. IMO.

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Bishop, Hawk, and Barnett, hmm....
I'll have to think about that one. You are right though that Barnett loves the middle spot too much. And he's dang good at it, so I think he stays there.


Barnett is a heck of a middle backer.. but he also gets swallowed up in the blocking at times as well.. with his speed and agility he would be a prototypical outside backer.. no doubt he has a world of talent. IMO, Bishop or even Hodge would provide more stoutness to the center of the defense.. Bishop and especially Hodge don't have the same type of range to play the outside as say Barnett..

Now before I get pummeled, I not saying move Barnett, I am saying be open to putting the three best players on the field at one time.. IMO, those are the 3 best LB'ers on this squad.
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#11 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:56:01 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers would be pissed if we traded R Martin.


If the offseason was any lesson here in Green Bay.. players don't run this team.. if moving Martin is a good business decision, then you pull the trigger on the deal regardless of Rodgers personal feelings about it. IMO.

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Bishop, Hawk, and Barnett, hmm....
I'll have to think about that one. You are right though that Barnett loves the middle spot too much. And he's dang good at it, so I think he stays there.


Barnett is a heck of a middle backer.. but he also gets shallowed up in the blocking at times as well.. with his speed and agility he would be a prototypical outside backer.. no doubt he has a world of talent. IMO, Bishop or even Hodge would provide more stoutness to the center of the defense.. Bishop and especially Hodge don't have the same type of range to play the outside as say Barnett..

Now before I get pummeled, I not saying move Barnett, I am saying be open to putting the three best players on the field at one time.. IMO, those are the 3 best LB'ers on this squad.


If we could get a really solid DT, we would have a heck of a 3-4.
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#12 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 2:53:25 PM(UTC)
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Now before I get pummeled, I not saying move Barnett, I am saying be open to putting the three best players on the field at one time.. IMO, those are the 3 best LB'ers on this squad.


This is a pretty good argument - getting our 3 best LB'ers on the field at the same time.
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#13 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 3:44:06 PM(UTC)
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If we could get a really solid DT, we would have a heck of a 3-4.


I can't help but think our coaches have incorporated the 3-4 somehow, and they just haven't used it in pre-season yet.

I mean how could they not? We've got a heck of a LB group, the with our top 4 of Hawk/Barnett/Chillar/Popp it should've given our coaches the impetus to find a package other than the 2-4 D to get our LB group on the field even more.

The strong play of Bishop and Hodge should just have hit home the possibilities with our roster of having a 3-4 package....

I swear I'd do back flips (which I can't actually do) if I saw a 3-4 package being used by the Pack on MNF. I'd be like a girl having gotten her first kiss from the boy she likes....
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#14 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 3:47:56 PM(UTC)
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If we could get a really solid DT, we would have a heck of a 3-4.


I can't help but think our coaches have incorporated the 3-4 somehow, and they just haven't used it in pre-season yet.

I mean how could they not? We've got a heck of a LB group, the with our top 4 of Hawk/Barnett/Chillar/Popp it should've given our coaches the impetus to find a package other than the 2-4 D to get our LB group on the field even more.

The strong play of Bishop and Hodge should just have hit home the possibilities with our roster of having a 3-4 package....

I swear I'd do back flips (which I can't actually do) if I saw a 3-4 package being used by the Pack on MNF. I'd be like a girl having gotten her first kiss from the boy she likes....


If we keep 7 LBs, you can bet your Greg Jennings underoos that we'll incorporate a 3-4 package.
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#15 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 3:48:04 PM(UTC)
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If we could get a really solid DT, we would have a heck of a 3-4.


I can't help but think our coaches have incorporated the 3-4 somehow, and they just haven't used it in pre-season yet.

I mean how could they not? We've got a heck of a LB group, the with our top 4 of Hawk/Barnett/Chillar/Popp it should've given our coaches the impetus to find a package other than the 2-4 D to get our LB group on the field even more.

The strong play of Bishop and Hodge should just have hit home the possibilities with our roster of having a 3-4 package....

I swear I'd do back flips (which I can't actually do) if I saw a 3-4 package being used by the Pack on MNF. I'd be like a girl having gotten her first kiss from the boy she likes....


We have done some plays during the preseason where they only use two D-linemen and a ton of LB's so maybe they will do a 3-4
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#16 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 3:49:01 PM(UTC)
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Who are our tradeable assts as cuts etc. take place in the next 24 hrs?

Bishop or Hodge?
Tracy White?
Colledge?
Morency?
Brohm?
KGB?



Bishop and (as Pack93z said) Ruvell. Those are the only two players that might fetch something decent in return based on what they've shown and their physical tools. I'd rather keep Ruvell as insurance, and the fact that he's our QBs 'guy'. I'm a Hodge fan, but Bishop has displayed talent and I wouldn't mind keeping him either.

I don't doubt for a second that Colledge / Brohm would get picked up if released, but I can't see them bringing back anything decent if traded. Colledge is our starter, but highly inconsistent, and I'd be hesitant to give up even an early day 2 pick after Brohm's performances this pre-season.


I can't see anyone offering a fair deal for a 30 something pass-rush specialist that has healed very slowly from off-season surgery.
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#17 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 3:52:51 PM(UTC)
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We have done some plays during the preseason where they only use two D-linemen and a ton of LB's so maybe they will do a 3-4


McCarthy actually half-joked about using a 3-4 D before the 49ers game, he said his injuries might force him to play a 3-4.

What struck me as odd was that there was no way McCarthy would do that unless his D had gotten reps in a 3-4. That suggested (to me at least) that at some point this off-season McCarthy might have installed a 3-4 alignment for certain situations.

We have the players, Jenkins/Montgomery/Jolly/Harrell and Pickett might possibly be the NT in the 3-4.
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#18 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 4:57:29 PM(UTC)
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We have done some plays during the preseason where they only use two D-linemen and a ton of LB's so maybe they will do a 3-4


McCarthy actually half-joked about using a 3-4 D before the 49ers game, he said his injuries might force him to play a 3-4.

What struck me as odd was that there was no way McCarthy would do that unless his D had gotten reps in a 3-4. That suggested (to me at least) that at some point this off-season McCarthy might have installed a 3-4 alignment for certain situations.

We have the players, Jenkins/Montgomery/Jolly/Harrell and Pickett might possibly be the NT in the 3-4.


What about Kampman? He is too good to not have on the field.
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#19 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 5:01:03 PM(UTC)
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We have done some plays during the preseason where they only use two D-linemen and a ton of LB's so maybe they will do a 3-4


McCarthy actually half-joked about using a 3-4 D before the 49ers game, he said his injuries might force him to play a 3-4.

What struck me as odd was that there was no way McCarthy would do that unless his D had gotten reps in a 3-4. That suggested (to me at least) that at some point this off-season McCarthy might have installed a 3-4 alignment for certain situations.

We have the players, Jenkins/Montgomery/Jolly/Harrell and Pickett might possibly be the NT in the 3-4.


What about Kampman? He is too good to not have on the field.


I think the reference was to playing in the middle.. NT.. Jenkins would make another fine end in a 3-4.. Williams will excel at end for the Browns this season in that 3-4.
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#20 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 5:11:37 PM(UTC)
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Jenkins, Kampman, and Monty are all suited for the 3-4 ends
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#21 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 5:14:02 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers would be pissed if we traded R Martin.


If the offseason was any lesson here in Green Bay.. players don't run this team.. if moving Martin is a good business decision, then you pull the trigger on the deal regardless of Rodgers personal feelings about it. IMO.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post

Bishop, Hawk, and Barnett, hmm....
I'll have to think about that one. You are right though that Barnett loves the middle spot too much. And he's dang good at it, so I think he stays there.


Barnett is a heck of a middle backer.. but he also gets shallowed up in the blocking at times as well.. with his speed and agility he would be a prototypical outside backer.. no doubt he has a world of talent. IMO, Bishop or even Hodge would provide more stoutness to the center of the defense.. Bishop and especially Hodge don't have the same type of range to play the outside as say Barnett..

Now before I get pummeled, I not saying move Barnett, I am saying be open to putting the three best players on the field at one time.. IMO, those are the 3 best LB'ers on this squad.


If we could get a really solid DT, we would have a heck of a 3-4.


Didn't they go with four a few times in some packages? Maybe not in any games but I thought that it was reported they had four LB's in there on certain situations and Barnett was saying the coaches have put more schemes in now that they all have experience.
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#22 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 5:28:37 PM(UTC)
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McCarthy actually half-joked about using a 3-4 D before the 49ers game, he said his injuries might force him to play a 3-4.

What struck me as odd was that there was no way McCarthy would do that unless his D had gotten reps in a 3-4. That suggested (to me at least) that at some point this off-season McCarthy might have installed a 3-4 alignment for certain situations.

We have the players, Jenkins/Montgomery/Jolly/Harrell and Pickett might possibly be the NT in the 3-4.


The thing is, was he half-joking?
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#23 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 7:30:09 PM(UTC)
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The only time we'd see more than 3 linebackers on the field is in obvious passing situations, but even that isn't likely, IMO.

Kampman and KGB at DE and Jolly and Jenkins at DT are a fantastic defensive line in passing situations.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:52:01 AM(UTC)
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I think Bishop or Hodge.

I think one of our backs could be enticing to someone but nothing more than a 7th.

Beyond that the other guy would Ruvell Martin but I wouldn't trade him at all. I think he's a valuable asset to this team and quite frankly I like the fact that the Packers have 5 good receivers. Without him, I really don't see a good enough case for someone to be the 4th and 5th receiver. I also like Jordy Nelson but Martin is clearly the better player in my eyes.

As far as Barnett. I don't think you move a guy who probably should of gone to the Pro Bowl last year. I was once a strong advocate of moving Barnett because I felt Abdul Hodge could be a really good middle linebacker and I still feel that way to some extent.

I think GB would be better off trying to move Bishop to SLB. It'd be tough transition and it would be bumpy but in the end if he's your 3rd best linebacker then it might be worth it.
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