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Offline NormaL  
#1 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:20:18 PM(UTC)
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GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- If the Green Bay Packers change their mind about having two rookies back up quarterback Aaron Rodgers this season, veteran free agent Daunte Culpepper is willing to listen.

"I have not heard from the Packers since before the draft," Culpepper said in an e-mail to The Associated Press on Thursday night. "My ears are definitely opened to listen if they need a proven backup for Aaron."

Culpepper visited the Packers in April, after Brett Favre's original retirement, but left without a deal in place. He continues talking to other teams, but so far hasn't received the response he is hoping for.

"I am talking," Culpepper said. "I am just not convinced that the teams are listening."

Culpepper, 31, was a standout quarterback for Green Bay's division rival, Minnesota, before he sustained a major knee injury in 2005. He played in four games for Miami in 2006 and seven with the Oakland Raiders last season.

The Packers drafted a pair of rookies, Louisville's Brian Brohm and LSU's Matt Flynn, in April. Rodgers took over as the starter -- and stayed there, even after Favre unretired and was traded to the New York Jets.

Brohm generally has outperformed Flynn in practice and Flynn has been better in the Packers' preseason games, but neither may be far enough along to be considered a viable backup at this point in their careers.

After both struggled against the Tennessee Titans' No. 1 defense in the first half of the Packers' 23-21 loss in Thursday night's preseason finale at Lambeau Field, Packers coach Mike McCarthy said he was comfortable with his quarterback situation.

"I'm going to say it for about the 100th time, it takes time, OK?" McCarthy said. "It takes time to develop young quarterbacks, and that's where we are. I'm excited about their future, but we've got work to do."

But McCarthy seemed to leave the door open to the possibility of the team adding a veteran backup.

"Those are all options," McCarthy said.

Flynn threw a pair of touchdown passes in the second half and nearly tied the game after narrowly missing a potential two-point conversion pass at the end of regulation. Brohm had a potential second-half touchdown called back on an instant replay review.

Brohm said the Packers are fine with the quarterbacks they have.

"I don't think we need to bring in a veteran backup because I think all three of us are ready to go," Brohm said.







As much as I absolutely hated this idea a few months ago, with our back ups looking the way they do, maybe this wouldn't be the worst thing ever.

Oh, and LOLOLOL at Brohm's quote. I Like his confidence, but he might need to watch some preseason games.
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Offline minnypacker  
#2 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:23:20 PM(UTC)
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Could we get a #4 for Brohm?

If so I'd trade him, I might even do it for a #5.

Flynn looks real good and if you can add a vetran backup it would be a solid group.
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Offline Pack93z  
#3 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:28:16 PM(UTC)
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Out of all the possibilities out there for a backup QB.. I think I like this option the least.. he may be willing to accept the backup job right now.. but I think that would change at the first sign of struggle for Arod.. maybe I see Cpep incorrectly.. but the guy never seemed like the team player type to me.. more of a me first.

Never met the cat.. but that is the disconnected vibe I get for him.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline TheEngineer  
#4 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:37:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Could we get a #4 for Brohm?

If so I'd trade him, I might even do it for a #5.

Flynn looks real good and if you can add a vetran backup it would be a solid group.


Trade? Already? You can't be serious. You gotta give the kid more time to develop. Just because Flynn has looked better this preseason (don't forget that he often plays against the 2nd string and 3rd string, while Brohm has to contend with the starters and backups) isn't enough reason to get rid of Brohm, this early.
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Offline Pack93z  
#5 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:42:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Could we get a #4 for Brohm?

If so I'd trade him, I might even do it for a #5.

Flynn looks real good and if you can add a vetran backup it would be a solid group.


People said the same about Rodgers year one.. weak arm, poor decision making skills.. etc.

Players adjust to the game differently at this level.. Brohm may take more time to adjust than others. To me, I see a kid that is over thinking on the field, one that is not playing based on reaction. Add to it that he knows he is struggling, thus applying more pressure upon himself. Snowballing at this point.. needs to get away from the spotlight a little, work on adjusting and regain a little bit of that confidence that seems to have disappeared.

Don't undersell him yet... if someone comes with a knockout offer.. listen and maybe pull the trigger. Other wise give him time to develop and adjust.

My opinion at least.
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Offline Since69  
#6 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:43:29 PM(UTC)
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We could do a lot worse than Culpepper. Once he knocks the rust off, he'll prove better than anyone who's likely to come available for us.

The problem lies in what to do with Brohm and Flynn. Nobody in their right mind would trade a six-pack of warm Pabst for Brohm right now, and Flynn has, IMO, looked too good to cut. Both might survive waivers, but either one would get snatched off the practice squad. And I don't think there's any way we keep 4 QBs.
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Offline gotarace  
#7 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:52:29 PM(UTC)
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Culpepper would join any team right now. He burned his bridges in Green Bay this summer not wanting to join the team. I say we move on their has to be a better option than this.
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Offline TheEngineer  
#8 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 12:52:57 PM(UTC)
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We could do a lot worse than Culpepper. Once he knocks the rust off, he'll prove better than anyone who's likely to come available for us.

The problem lies in what to do with Brohm and Flynn. Nobody in their right mind would trade a six-pack of warm Pabst for Brohm right now, and Flynn has, IMO, looked too good to cut. Both might survive waivers, but either one would get snatched off the practice squad. And I don't think there's any way we keep 4 QBs.


I've noticed an unfair vibe of negativity going around the Packers backup QBs. What I mean is, people seem to think Brohm is awful and is even potentially trade bait. But then, why are they so confident that Flynn is the answer? To be honest, I'm not sold on Flynn being a great backup to Rodgers, and in the same way I've not lost hope that Brohm can be worthy of his 2nd round pick.
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Offline NormaL  
#9 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:00:11 PM(UTC)
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I'm a huge fan of anybody that ISN'T a fan of Culpepper, but ask yourself honestly this. If we had a chance at the playoff's and something happened to Rodgers, WHO would you want to fill in for him? Brohm, Flynn, Culpepper?

Oh, and by something happening to Rodgers I mean like a family member getting married and he can't make the game. lol
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Offline Since69  
#10 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:00:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post

I've noticed an unfair vibe of negativity going around the Packers backup QBs. What I mean is, people seem to think Brohm is awful and is even potentially trade bait. But then, why are they so confident that Flynn is the answer? To be honest, I'm not sold on Flynn being a great backup to Rodgers, and in the same way I've not lost hope that Brohm can be worthy of his 2nd round pick.


I don't think it's unfair. It's just that Brohm is obviously not ready for the NFL. In a year or two he could be great - but right now he's awful. pack93z said he thought Brohm is over-thinking. I couldn't agree more, but there's no simple, quick fix for that.

And I don't know how Flynn will turn out, either, but he seems to have that undefinable "it". That scramble and throw for the TD last night was something any NFL QB would proud of.

But neither one is going to be of any help this year if Rodgers gets hurt. We've got too much talent to throw an entire season in the toilet for want of a quality backup.
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Offline TheEngineer  
#11 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:04:14 PM(UTC)
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I'm a huge fan of anybody that ISN'T a fan of Culpepper, but ask yourself honestly this. If we had a chance at the playoff's and something happened to Rodgers, WHO would you want to fill in for him? Brohm, Flynn, Culpepper?

Oh, and by something happening to Rodgers I mean like a family member getting married and he can't make the game. lol


Chris Simms might be available at that time.
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Offline NormaL  
#12 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:04:49 PM(UTC)
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That scramble and throw for the TD last night was something any NFL QB would proud of.
Agree
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Offline NormaL  
#13 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:05:53 PM(UTC)
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I'm a huge fan of anybody that ISN'T a fan of Culpepper, but ask yourself honestly this. If we had a chance at the playoff's and something happened to Rodgers, WHO would you want to fill in for him? Brohm, Flynn, Culpepper?

Oh, and by something happening to Rodgers I mean like a family member getting married and he can't make the game. lol


Chris Simms might be available at that time.
Well then, I'm all for that! He doesn't do the roll thing with his arms, does he? lol
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Offline Pack93z  
#14 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:10:44 PM(UTC)
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Well then, I'm all for that! He doesn't do the roll thing with his arms, does he? lol


If Cpep dons the Packer uni and starts that happy crap.. I might have to face the clink, cause I think I would storm the field and body slam him on the spot. :lol:

Wait.. Cpep is a pretty big cat.. maybe beat him with the metal leg. :lol:
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline PackerFan  
#15 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:16:01 PM(UTC)
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I actually don't think Culpepper would be that bad of an option but I don't really know who else is looking. I agree that we can't depend on the two back up's we have if A-Rod does get hurt. We need someone who is proven but doesn't mind sitting on the bench to sit behind A-Rod. What we really need is a good QB with out an ego but thats like trying to find a skinny person at the state fair.
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#16 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:16:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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That scramble and throw for the TD last night was something any NFL QB would proud of.
Agree


Plagiarism!! :physassult:
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#17 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:18:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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That scramble and throw for the TD last night was something any NFL QB would proud of.
Agree


Plagiarism!! :physassult:


Well, it's not my fault! :P
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Offline zombieslayer  
#18 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:18:54 PM(UTC)
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No, no, and no.

Get lost, Dante.

Flynn and Brohm need development. If we pick up Culpepper, we have to lose one or the other. Not a good idea. Both of them could develop into decent QBs.

Keep in mind, first year QBs are almost always horrible. They need to be developed. College and the NFL are completely different. It takes time to adjust. I always say a magical three years for a QB.

If Aaron goes down (KNOCK ON WOOD), the season is over anyways. We're not going to win the SB with Dante Culpepper, and '08 is a SB or bust year, because '07 showed we really ARE that good.
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#19 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:21:33 PM(UTC)
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Well then, I'm all for that! He doesn't do the roll thing with his arms, does he? lol


If Cpep dons the Packer uni and starts that happy crap.. I might have to face the clink, cause I think I would storm the field and body slam him on the spot. :lol:

Wait.. Cpep is a pretty big cat.. maybe beat him with the metal leg. :lol:


He's pretty slow though.

I say kick him in the ding ding and run. He won't catch you.
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Offline shanks2122  
#20 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:25:25 PM(UTC)
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zombieslayer you're saying with a first year starter it's superbowl or bust?
i have all the confidence in the world but come on you can't say bust, its way to easy to lose a playoff game just look at last year!
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#21 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:33:40 PM(UTC)
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I would be over the moon with a wild card spot! I really think we're good enough for a deep playoff run, just not setting myself up for any kind of disappointment.
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#22 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:39:00 PM(UTC)
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My theory on Culpepper: playmakers and good offensive lines make him a top 10 QB in the league. I know, I sound like an idiot -- but before I beat myself up too much, look at the production. He had one of the best seasons ever by a quarterback in 2004. Before you point out he had Randy Moss, I'm aware. But Moss only played in 13 of the games that year, and only accounted for 767 of Pep's 4700+ yards. That year, Daunte completed 69% of his passes, through for 4,700 yards, threw 39 TDs to only 11 interceptions. If not for Peyton Manning throwing 49 that year, Daunte was the league MVP.

The problems since then are obvious: bad teams and a horrific injury. So, I'm not the best judge on Daunte RIGHT NOW. But I know that he was a heckuva quarterback -- he just NEEDS the supporting cast to do it. I'd feel comfortable with him as our backup. Certainly more comfortable than Brohm and Flynn -- both of whom I like. It's just -- can we really win if A-Rod goes down and a rookie comes in to do the job?
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#23 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:45:02 PM(UTC)
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My theory on Culpepper: playmakers and good offensive lines make him a top 10 QB in the league. I know, I sound like an idiot -- but before I beat myself up too much, look at the production. He had one of the best seasons ever by a quarterback in 2004. Before you point out he had Randy Moss, I'm aware. But Moss only played in 13 of the games that year, and only accounted for 767 of Pep's 4700+ yards. That year, Daunte completed 69% of his passes, through for 4,700 yards, threw 39 TDs to only 11 interceptions. If not for Peyton Manning throwing 49 that year, Daunte was the league MVP.

The problems since then are obvious: bad teams and a horrific injury. So, I'm not the best judge on Daunte RIGHT NOW. But I know that he was a heckuva quarterback -- he just NEEDS the supporting cast to do it. I'd feel comfortable with him as our backup. Certainly more comfortable than Brohm and Flynn -- both of whom I like. It's just -- can we really win if A-Rod goes down and a rookie comes in to do the job?
Not to mention all the I told you so's due to having rookie back ups. I still don't buy that Culpepper isn't a throw it up and hope your WR makes a play type of quarterback (Moss being the best), but with our WR's we can do at least that and win. I've really got to get my precognition working again.
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#24 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 1:47:18 PM(UTC)
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My biggest problem with Cpep isn't what he does on the field.. it is the attitude he may bring in the locker room and on the sidelines.. I think he would push for playing time at every turn to the point of distraction.. again, that is my distant opinion of him.

Me first type player.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#25 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 2:08:14 PM(UTC)
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My biggest problem with Cpep isn't what he does on the field.. it is the attitude he may bring in the locker room and on the sidelines.. I think he would push for playing time at every turn to the point of distraction.. again, that is my distant opinion of him.

Me first type player.


Exactly. When he was with the Vikings Tice constantly fed his ego. Culpepper was a big part in the decision to trade Moss too (that worked out well). If he was in the GB locker room, he would be looking for every opportunity to unseat Rodgers. Every tie Rodgers struggles (which he naturally will early on in the season) Culpepper will be there chomping at the bit.

God I hope he goes to Green Bay. ;)
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