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zombieslayer  
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:38:56 PM(UTC)
It appears we've had a pretty good '08 draft. From Yahoo Sports:

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Rd. 2/36, WR Jordy Nelson, Kansas StateBlazing playmaker was relegated to No. 5 receiver spot most of the preseason and probably wont be much of a factor on offense right away. Could make an impact as a kickoff returner.

Rd. 2/56, QB Brian Brohm, LouisvillePreseason struggles with timing of delivery and accuracy make him a shaky No. 2 backup behind Aaron Rodgers.

Rd. 2/60, CB Pat Lee, AuburnSolid cover guy will get his chance at some point to be a nickel or dime back but, for now, will bide his time contributing on special teams.

Rd. 3/91, TE Jermichael Finley, TexasBy default, he is projected to enter the season as the No. 3 tight end, though his one-dimensional play as a sure-handed receiver and not a blocker means contributions could be minimal this season.

Rd. 4/102, DE Jeremy Thompson, Wake ForestDisappeared in the preseason with fits of inconsistency and didnt take advantage of Kabeer Gbaja-Biamilas extended absence to contend for a No. 3 or 4 role at end on the depth chart.

Rd. 4/135, G Josh Sitton, Central FloridaPotential starting assignment at right guard for the season opener was upset by a knee injury late in the preseason that will sideline him four weeks. Could have a tough time regaining the starting spot when he returns.

Rd. 5/150, T Breno Giacomini, LouisvilleFeisty lineman is a developmental backup to right tackle Mark Tauscher this year.

Rd. 7/209, QB Matt Flynn, LSUConsidered an afterthought as the third quarterback on the roster when training camp opened, the heady signal caller who helped LSU win the national title last season was better than Brohm in preseason action and made a case for being the No. 2 guy.


Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/...nge&type=team_report
Greg C.  
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:06:36 PM(UTC)
I guess I'm reading it differently from you, zombie. Sounds like only Nelson, Sitton, and Flynn have exceeded expectations, and none of them by a whole lot. So I would say that at this point the draft is looking about average, though of course it's way too early to tell.

With the team's improvement, it's harder for rookies to make a splash, so that factors in as well.
Bigbyfan  
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:09:47 PM(UTC)
You can't really tell how a draft really went until 3-4 years down the road.
zombieslayer  
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:27:31 PM(UTC)
Well, here's how I'm seeing it:

Nelson - will contribute immediately. The only reason he hasn't broken the top 4 is our top 4 is as sturdy as they come. I don't think any team has our depth at WR. He'll get some KR duties though, which he should be good at.

Brohm - ?

Lee - Will contribute later. Looks like a good prospect.

Finley - Will make the team and when he gets better at blocking down the road, imagine Lee and Finley as our TEs. Lee's solid, and having a pass catching TE opposite Lee will give opposing Ds nightmares.

Thompson - Not enough to judge yet.

Sitton - We might even see him start a few games in his first season.

Giacomini - Supposed to be our T of the future. Looks like a good prospect.

Flynn - May prove to be better than Brohm, and we picked him in the 7th round.

I think the draft definitely helped make the team better.
walleye  
#5 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 5:42:37 PM(UTC)
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You can't really tell how a draft really went until 3-4 years down the road.

yes i think they need a few years to evaluate to the fullset, although some of the guys looked promissing! :microwave:
Pack93z  
#6 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 5:46:42 PM(UTC)
Looks like they don't think much of Swain since he didn't make the list. :lol:

Breno Giacomini better hope there is room on the Practice squad.. he has been a huge disappointment in my eyes.
walleye  
#7 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 5:53:13 PM(UTC)
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Looks like they don't think much of Swain since he didn't make the list. :lol:

Breno Giacomini better hope there is room on the Practice squad.. he has been a huge disappointment in my eyes.

Yes he has. doesn't look like he wants it.
shanks2122  
#8 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 6:09:46 PM(UTC)
i was really upset when they drafted jordy, boy was i wrong
Bigbyfan  
#9 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 6:23:23 PM(UTC)
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i was really upset when they drafted jordy, boy was i wrong


You're not the only one.... When the Packers were up to pick, I was PRAYING we would take Brandon Flowers(a corner who is fit for our system, physical & press coverage) When they announced Jordy Nelson, I was like WHO?!?!
Cheesey  
#10 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 6:37:06 PM(UTC)
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i was really upset when they drafted jordy, boy was i wrong


You're not the only one.... When the Packers were up to pick, I was PRAYING we would take Brandon Flowers(a corner who is fit for our system, physical & press coverage) When they announced Jordy Nelson, I was like WHO?!?!

My biggest thought was "Why a WR??? We already HAVE great WR'S!"
But so far, it LOOKS like a great pick!
strobl2  
#11 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 10:44:40 PM(UTC)
I remember saying " what" really loudly? I was wondering who this guy was, and then I looked up his stats at Kansas St. Then I had optimism.
Zero2Cool  
#12 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 10:57:41 PM(UTC)
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You can't really tell how a draft really went until 3-4 years down the road.


I think their just giving their after the preseason opinion. I doubt anyone is completely writing off any of them just yet.
RaiderPride  
#13 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 11:02:35 PM(UTC)
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With the team's improvement, it's harder for rookies to make a splash, so that factors in as well.
Crows13  
#14 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2008 11:26:51 PM(UTC)
i remember when the pack drafted freeman in '95 (i was about 9 years old at the time). It was funny; because at the time my dad screamed, " who the hell is antonio freeman?!" boy was he mad. Needless to say, it turned out just fine... and whenever Freeman mad a big play, I'd yell "who the hell is antonio freeman?!" and my dad would just smile and glance at me knowingly.

i think you guys know where im going with this.
wpr  
#15 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:55:41 AM(UTC)
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i was really upset when they drafted jordy, boy was i wrong


You're not the only one.... When the Packers were up to pick, I was PRAYING we would take Brandon Flowers(a corner who is fit for our system, physical & press coverage) When they announced Jordy Nelson, I was like WHO?!?!


By now I know better than to get too upset with Ted Thompson and hiss picks but like most of them I wondered why they picked this guy and who is he.
wpr  
#16 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:00:15 AM(UTC)
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i remember when the pack drafted freeman in '95 (i was about 9 years old at the time). It was funny; because at the time my dad screamed, " who the hell is antonio freeman?!" boy was he mad. Needless to say, it turned out just fine... and whenever Freeman mad a big play, I'd yell "who the hell is antonio freeman?!" and my dad would just smile and glance at me knowingly.

i think you guys know where im going with this.


Your dad's a jerk??? Sorry I do not mean it.
I think we all fall into that same category or getting upset even though we don't watch all of the game film for all of the college players. We don't attend the combines. We don't sit down and interview the prospective players and yet WE get mad if GB doesn't draft hte person we think they should draft.
Cheesey  
#17 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:24:21 AM(UTC)
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i remember when the pack drafted freeman in '95 (i was about 9 years old at the time). It was funny; because at the time my dad screamed, " who the hell is antonio freeman?!" boy was he mad. Needless to say, it turned out just fine... and whenever Freeman mad a big play, I'd yell "who the hell is antonio freeman?!" and my dad would just smile and glance at me knowingly.

i think you guys know where im going with this.


Your dad's a jerk??? Sorry I do not mean it.
I think we all fall into that same category or getting upset even though we don't watch all of the game film for all of the college players. We don't attend the combines. We don't sit down and interview the prospective players and yet WE get mad if GB doesn't draft hte person we think they should draft.

Thats because only the "big name" guys get discussed, so most of us (like me) have no idea who some of these kids are. Like you said, the people who make their living on this know alot more about these guys then we do.
BangTheDrum  
#18 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:26:16 AM(UTC)
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Well, here's how I'm seeing it:

Nelson - will contribute immediately. The only reason he hasn't broken the top 4 is our top 4 is as sturdy as they come. I don't think any team has our depth at WR. He'll get some KR duties though, which he should be good at.

Brohm - ?

Lee - Will contribute later. Looks like a good prospect.

Finley - Will make the team and when he gets better at blocking down the road, imagine Lee and Finley as our TEs. Lee's solid, and having a pass catching TE opposite Lee will give opposing Ds nightmares.

Thompson - Not enough to judge yet.

Sitton - We might even see him start a few games in his first season.

Giacomini - Supposed to be our T of the future. Looks like a good prospect.

Flynn - May prove to be better than Brohm, and we picked him in the 7th round.

I think the draft definitely helped make the team better.


Flynn is the better QB... Brohm is a Ryan Leaf type guy, never proved a whole lot but everyone just anointed him as good...

Youve got to say Lee is a pass catching tight end, hes a better pass catcher than he is a blocker although he is solid there as well... I do agree they will be a sick combo in a year or two.

I like Giacomini (sp) alot... I think he has the right mindset, just needs a year or two to really adjust to pro D lineman, as he faced maybe 2 or 3 throughout his college college career and now its an everyday occurance.

I also think Thompson, with a year or two(getting old yet) can be a difference maker...

And (P) Lee is very physical and I like him alot...
Greg C.  
#19 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:52:47 AM(UTC)
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Flynn is the better QB... Brohm is a Ryan Leaf type guy, never proved a whole lot but everyone just anointed him as good...


Didn't Brohm set all kinds of passing records in college? I don't know what more you could've expected him to prove. He wasn't about to win a national championship playing for Louisville. And I don't get the Ryan Leaf comparison. Leaf had a lousy attitude. I'm not hearing anything like that about Brohm. Hopefully he just needs more time.

What worries me is that I haven't seen him make a really good NFL play yet. Rodgers struggled as a rookie too, but even then I thought he put some zip on the ball and he made some nice scrambles. I'm hoping that the problem with Brohm is that he's just trying too hard not to screw up. It's like he's not trusting his instincts.
wpr  
#20 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:53:11 AM(UTC)
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Flynn is the better QB... Brohm is a Ryan Leaf type guy, never proved a whole lot but everyone just anointed him as good...


Didn't Brohm set all kinds of passing records in college? I don't know what more you could've expected him to prove. He wasn't about to win a national championship playing for Louisville. And I don't get the Ryan Leaf comparison. Leaf had a lousy attitude. I'm not hearing anything like that about Brohm. Hopefully he just needs more time.

What worries me is that I haven't seen him make a really good NFL play yet. Rodgers struggled as a rookie too, but even then I thought he put some zip on the ball and he made some nice scrambles. I'm hoping that the problem with Brohm is that he's just trying too hard not to screw up. It's like he's not trusting his instincts.


It seems like Brohm is trying too hard. It is not easy to come out of college and be tabbed as the #2 QB in the NFL. Flynn does not has as much pressure on him since he was picked in the 7th round and Brohm in the 2nd. I do not have any stats for it but I would think of all the 7th round picks taken in the past 15-20 years only 20-25% made their original team. Even fewer worked their way into being a starter for the team that drafted them.
There have been several instances in the NFL were a lower pick had a better 1st season.
We also need to remember that he had some problems with his OL. He was sacked 4 times. The defense had pressure on him all the time.
Some of this is due to his indecisions, some of it is due to receivers being covered and some of it due to the OL.
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