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Offline wpr  
#26 Posted : Monday, September 1, 2008 3:50:20 PM(UTC)
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The only thing that's really chafing my nuts is this, "Ted Thompson just wanted HIS players" bullshit. That is nothing if not speculative. Give it up, people. Brett isn't the holy grail of truth, and neither were the Packers management. If you instill 100% trust in either side, you're putting an awful lot of stock into one side's story.

Here's a question you might ask yourself: is ANYTHING in REAL LIFE THAT BLACK AND WHITE?

Remove the emotions. Remove the pre-conceived notions. Remove all the muddled particularities of this entire debacle, and answer that one question. Is it even POSSIBLE that one side did all the wrong things? Have you answered it yet? Do you still feel the same way? If you do, I think you're doing it wrong.

Go Packers! Go Brett! I wish both continued success (just more for the Packers ;))


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Offline Cheesey  
#27 Posted : Monday, September 1, 2008 5:41:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
The only thing that's really chafing my nuts is this, "Ted Thompson just wanted HIS players" bullshit. That is nothing if not speculative. Give it up, people. Brett isn't the holy grail of truth, and neither were the Packers management. If you instill 100% trust in either side, you're putting an awful lot of stock into one side's story.

Here's a question you might ask yourself: is ANYTHING in REAL LIFE THAT BLACK AND WHITE?

Remove the emotions. Remove the pre-conceived notions. Remove all the muddled particularities of this entire debacle, and answer that one question. Is it even POSSIBLE that one side did all the wrong things? Have you answered it yet? Do you still feel the same way? If you do, I think you're doing it wrong.

Go Packers! Go Brett! I wish both continued success (just more for the Packers ;))

For your first line in your statement, this will help........
"BOOM! Tuff actin' Tinactin!!!" :thumbright:
And for the rest of your statement..... :thumbright: :thumbleft: :thumbright: :thumbleft:
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Offline mi_keys  
#28 Posted : Monday, September 1, 2008 6:49:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
The only thing that's really chafing my nuts is this, "Ted Thompson just wanted HIS players" bullshit. That is nothing if not speculative. Give it up, people. Brett isn't the holy grail of truth, and neither were the Packers management. If you instill 100% trust in either side, you're putting an awful lot of stock into one side's story.

Here's a question you might ask yourself: is ANYTHING in REAL LIFE THAT BLACK AND WHITE?

Remove the emotions. Remove the pre-conceived notions. Remove all the muddled particularities of this entire debacle, and answer that one question. Is it even POSSIBLE that one side did all the wrong things? Have you answered it yet? Do you still feel the same way? If you do, I think you're doing it wrong.

Go Packers! Go Brett! I wish both continued success (just more for the Packers ;))



Great post
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Offline zombieslayer  
#29 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 6:04:48 PM(UTC)
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That first article is what I imagine happened. Thus is why I put more the blame on Ted Thompson . In real life, I don't trust "quiet guys." I just don't. Something's going on in their heads and they're scheming and they won't tell you what they're thinking. I don't like that.

BF on the other hand, he says what's on his mind whether you want to hear it or not. He's a straight shooter. He's a Southerner. He's honest, brutally honest.

I think Ted Thompson put Mike McCarthy in a bad spot too. I'd hate to be Mike McCarthy and have to tell BF that he can't come back, then have to have the prewritten script of "I don't want you to tarnish your legacy" crap that you know he was scripted to say. What a load of bull. Joe Montana, please. Use a better example. Montana was awesome on the Chiefs. Took a mediocre team to the CG.
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Offline Greg C.  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:03:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
That first article is what I imagine happened. Thus is why I put more the blame on Ted Thompson . In real life, I don't trust "quiet guys." I just don't. Something's going on in their heads and they're scheming and they won't tell you what they're thinking. I don't like that.

BF on the other hand, he says what's on his mind whether you want to hear it or not. He's a straight shooter. He's a Southerner. He's honest, brutally honest.

I thinkTed Thompsonput Mike McCarthy in a bad spot too. I'd hate to be Mike McCarthy and have to tell BF that he can't come back, then have to have the prewritten script of "I don't want you to tarnish your legacy" crap that you know he was scripted to say. What a load of bull. Joe Montana, please. Use a better example. Montana was awesome on the Chiefs. Took a mediocre team to the CG.


If Favre is a "straight shooter," please explain these things he said back in April:
http://sportsillustrated.../favre.denial/index.html

I've lived in the South, and the people there are no more or less honest than northerners. In fact, many southerners are proud of their ability to feed people a line of crap with a perfectly straight face. And Favre has done that at times, such as in the article above and most famously when he denied that he let Michael Strahan sack him to break that record.

Favre is a "straight shooter" only when it serves his purposes.
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:09:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
That first article is what I imagine happened. Thus is why I put more the blame on Ted Thompson . In real life, I don't trust "quiet guys." I just don't. Something's going on in their heads and they're scheming and they won't tell you what they're thinking. I don't like that.

BF on the other hand, he says what's on his mind whether you want to hear it or not. He's a straight shooter. He's a Southerner. He's honest, brutally honest.

I thinkTed Thompsonput Mike McCarthy in a bad spot too. I'd hate to be Mike McCarthy and have to tell BF that he can't come back, then have to have the prewritten script of "I don't want you to tarnish your legacy" crap that you know he was scripted to say. What a load of bull. Joe Montana, please. Use a better example. Montana was awesome on the Chiefs. Took a mediocre team to the CG.

Ted Thompson is a southern and also a VERY religious man

However neither of those 2 things says he isn't a liar just like saying BF is telling the truth because he is from the south
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:49:07 PM(UTC)
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That first article is what I imagine happened. Thus is why I put more the blame on Ted Thompson . In real life, I don't trust "quiet guys." I just don't. Something's going on in their heads and they're scheming and they won't tell you what they're thinking. I don't like that.

BF on the other hand, he says what's on his mind whether you want to hear it or not. He's a straight shooter. He's a Southerner. He's honest, brutally honest.

I thinkTed Thompsonput Mike McCarthy in a bad spot too. I'd hate to be Mike McCarthy and have to tell BF that he can't come back, then have to have the prewritten script of "I don't want you to tarnish your legacy" crap that you know he was scripted to say. What a load of bull. Joe Montana, please. Use a better example. Montana was awesome on the Chiefs. Took a mediocre team to the CG.


If Favre is a "straight shooter," please explain these things he said back in April:
http://sportsillustrated.../favre.denial/index.html

I've lived in the South, and the people there are no more or less honest than northerners. In fact, many southerners are proud of their ability to feed people a line of crap with a perfectly straight face. And Favre has done that at times, such as in the article above and most famously when he denied that he let Michael Strahan sack him to break that record.

Favre is a "straight shooter" only when it serves his purposes.


I dont see any lies in there. I see IN APRIL, he felt like he was happy about his decision. He also stated that he had no idea how he will feel in the future. That is what he has always said, "never say never".
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Offline dingus  
#33 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:49:56 PM(UTC)
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MM was on the same page as TT, that's why the 6 hour conversation never got past the initial stages cuz BF wasn't able to get over his being "mistreated" by TT. All along Ted Thompson was saying that BF was a huge part of the history of the team, that his contributions were immeasurable, that he was a great player yada yada etc blah blah blah.

The Question, IMHO, was if BF was 100% committed to the TEAM, not just interested in playing on his terms. Mike McCarthy said it w/o saying it, "BF was not in the right mindset to play for the GBP"
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:55:27 PM(UTC)
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MM was on the same page as TT, that's why the 6 hour conversation never got past the initial stages cuz BF wasn't able to get over his being "mistreated" by TT. All alongTed Thompsonwas saying that BF was a huge part of the history of the team, that his contributions were immeasurable, that he was a great player yada yada etc blah blah blah.

The Question, IMHO, was if BF was 100% committed to the TEAM, not just interested in playing on his terms. Mike McCarthy said it w/o saying it, "BF was not in the right mindset to play for the GBP"


So if Brett is lying about TT, then why can't he get past what apparently didn't happen? :cyclopsani:
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:57:51 PM(UTC)
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MM was on the same page as TT, that's why the 6 hour conversation never got past the initial stages cuz BF wasn't able to get over his being "mistreated" by TT. All alongTed Thompsonwas saying that BF was a huge part of the history of the team, that his contributions were immeasurable, that he was a great player yada yada etc blah blah blah.

The Question, IMHO, was if BF was 100% committed to the TEAM, not just interested in playing on his terms. Mike McCarthy said it w/o saying it, "BF was not in the right mindset to play for the GBP"


So if Brett is lying about TT, then why can't he get past what apparently didn't happen? :cyclopsani:


Has Brett or anyone else laid out what happened in that 6 hour meeting?

cuz I think there is a TON of un told truths from that
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:10:41 PM(UTC)
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LTF, I agree, there was much more to the meeting, I over simplified. But Mike McCarthy 's main (Only) point he was willing to make in his "post meeting" presser was that they were not getting past the bad blood.

zombie- I don't recall saying that BF ws lying. I think BF has turned into a prima donna and thinks he's above the team. Ted Thompson didn't fetch like shermy and he couldn't handle it so he turns Ted Thompson 's non-action on his requests into something else.After all, BF was the QB, not a scout or management type. Strap it on, shut up and play football, that's what he was paid (handsomely) to do.
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:23:35 PM(UTC)
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LTF, I agree, there was much more to the meeting, I over simplified. [size=18]But Mike McCarthy 's main (Only) point he was willing to make in his "post meeting" presser was that they were not getting past the bad blood.
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That is exactly what Gary Ellerson said on WSSP..His source ( which I believe is a coach) stated that Brett could not stop bashing Ted Thompson during their metting..

Hence why Brett was not in the "right mind set"
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:24:55 PM(UTC)
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I can't stand Ted either. After a few years of reading and listening and watching his conferences. I think he's a fucktard.


I'd still rather him the GM over someone else though.
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:39:54 PM(UTC)
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Here's a question you might ask yourself: is ANYTHING in REAL LIFE THAT BLACK AND WHITE?



A holstein cow? :thumbleft:
Sorry I'm laughing anyway since Zero used the word fuktard :icon_smile:
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:57:27 PM(UTC)
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So, back to my question.

What is it that brett believes so strongly that Ted Thompson did wrong? it is not the lies before, it was whateve has happened since he decided to come back. He has to believe in his heart that Ted Thompson lied to the press about Brett regarding something that would make him boil that much.
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#41 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:08:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
So, back to my question.

What is it that brett believes so strongly thatTed Thompsondid wrong? it is not the lies before, it was whateve has happened since he decided to come back. He has to believe in his heart thatTed Thompsonlied to the press about Brett regarding something that would make him boil that much.


Why does it have to be Ted lied to make him boil that much?

IMO both sides lied, or did not tell entire truths..

I think Bretts ego was bruised and THAT is what is making him boil..
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#42 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:12:25 PM(UTC)
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wow


just realized this thread is sort silly..

Sorry for even adding to it
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:49:12 AM(UTC)
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So, back to my question.

What is it that brett believes so strongly thatTed Thompsondid wrong? it is not the lies before, it was whateve has happened since he decided to come back. He has to believe in his heart thatTed Thompsonlied to the press about Brett regarding something that would make him boil that much.


Why does it have to be Ted lied to make him boil that much?

IMO both sides lied, or did not tell entire truths..

I think Bretts ego was bruised and THAT is what is making him boil..

I think you hit the nail on the head LT.
And.........
Two people can see the SAME event, and have totally different views of what happened. Brett and Ted Thompson went through the SAME things, yet see it from their OWN point of view. Brett might see TT's not doing what HE wanted him to do as "lying", while Ted Thompson see's it as he was doing what was HIS job. Of course all we get is regurgitated stories, so we will never know what the real truths are. We can only judge it on what we hear.
Even if a "tell all" book from Brett comes out, it STILL will only be from that person's point of view. Those that WANT to believe that point of view will gobble it all up as "gospel truth" and use it to say "See? I told you Ted Thompson was a bad guy!" I hope that never happens though. I HOPE this is a dead subject and that it won't be dragged through the mud again. But from what i have seen from Favre, still trying to prove his point, i don't doubt that it may happen.....which would be sad.
The bridge has been crossed, there's no going back, so why let it ruin the future? What good can come from that?
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:07:58 AM(UTC)
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So, back to my question.

What is it that brett believes so strongly thatTed Thompsondid wrong? it is not the lies before, it was whateve has happened since he decided to come back. He has to believe in his heart thatTed Thompsonlied to the press about Brett regarding something that would make him boil that much.



I agree Tripp!! Brett you could tell was very hurt by what Ted Thompson said why else would Brett not be so forgiving? I think Brett isnt the type of person that would get hurt to easily other then things being said that were not true, so to me it had to be pretty bad for Brett to not forgive TT. We may get more of the story down the road, maybe some packer players may say something, I heard that they couldnt say a thing because they were told not to talk on the subject, now if you ask me for a link there is none, I heard it on NFL network and I havent searched for any.

Again if someone was attacking me over things that I didnt say, I would talk to try and get the truth out and to try and make people see my side of things. And again I have always said in a divorce, a squabble it takes two. Im not saying Brett was 100% correct either, all I am saying is it had to be pretty bad for someone not to forgive. Brett always wanted to retire a Packer, and for him not wanting to play for them again something bad had to have happened. I wouldnt want to play for a team that didnt want me back.

I am glad that both teams moved on, but I am mostly glad that Brett found a team that respects him and still has confidence in him. When I see him on the field as a Jet, I can tell hes happy just playing football and thats what matters most.
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#45 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:11:43 AM(UTC)
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I think Brett has every right to talk and especially if the media is still asking him questions, he is going to answer them to the best of his knowledge. I do not believe that Brett would say something that didnt happen. Ted Thompson could do that samething, to me if I was asked a question and I didnt answer it, that would say to someone that I wasnt telling the truth, that I was going around that truth or the subject being asked.
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#46 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:54:07 AM(UTC)
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Brett has never took the easy or PC way out of answering a question as far back as I can remember. The guy is an open window to his emotions and thoughts.. why would he change now.

It is much to do about nothing.. just more verbal spilling of his thoughts and feelings. Every person has them.. but he has his version as the Packers brass has theirs.. neither is faultless no matter how much they talk or how silent they remain.
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#47 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 2:53:18 PM(UTC)
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Well, I'm not going to get much deeper than this.

From what I've read, Favre's a prima donna. Ted Thompson 's a d***. Both have serious communication issues. Both screwed up. The end result, the losers are us. Brett Favre is still the 2nd best active QB in the NFL (or to some of you 3rd or 4th, whatever). He gave us the best chance to win in '08. Now, he's gone.

Go Packers! And now also Go Jets!

(by the way, me calling Ted Thompson a **** doesn't change the fact that I think he's a damn good GM).
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#48 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:40:05 PM(UTC)
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Consider my opinion the same as the one above :thumbright:
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