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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 12:59:02 PM(UTC)
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Is it the play of the interior offensive line?

Our Defensive front against the running game?

Rattling TJ?

Will it come down to the special teams and our recent changes?

Or is the media on to something.. is the key Rodgers poise and composure under the pressure?

Your thoughts on the key to winning this opening game.

My thoughts are pretty straightforward on this matchup, if we can handle the point of attack on our defensive front verse their offensive line, I think we win this game going away early. That is not meant as disrespect towards the Viking team, but if we make them throw the ball early in this game, it bodes very well for us.

I am concerned with our interior line.. but in a defensive battle, I like the balance of our offense opposed to theirs. I just hope Rodgers is still walking after the final whistle.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:04:13 PM(UTC)
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How our makeshift OL holds up, and how muc pressure we get on Jackson.

I do imagine that we will be pretty pass happy to set up the run as opposed to the other way around. Don't see us getting too blitz happy as AP is so talented he can really make you pay if they pick it up, or change out of the called play to exploit the blitz.

Bottom line, it is how our lines perform.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:09:53 PM(UTC)
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How our makeshift OL holds up, and how muc pressure we get on Jackson.


makeshift?

This version of the oline probably had more reps as a group than the 'projected starting group' did. Once again I think I'm in the minority in thinking the oline isnt a weakness.

I also have to disagree with you about Jackson. He doesn't scare me. Either he holds it and gets killed or throws it and gets it picked off. Either one is fine with me.

Trom's 3 keys to victory:

1. Stop Adrian Peterson.
2. Since you can't stop him, contain Adrian Peterson.
3. Since you can't contain him, outscore the bastards. Go Offense!
Offline WhiskeySam  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:17:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
How our makeshift OL holds up, and how muc pressure we get on Jackson.

I do imagine that we will be pretty pass happy to set up the run as opposed to the other way around. Don't see us getting too blitz happy as AP is so talented he can really make you pay if they pick it up, or change out of the called play to exploit the blitz.

Bottom line, it is how our lines perform.


I agree. Bad O-line play will mean a long day for Rodgers on his back. Bad D-line play means watching Peterson run it down our throats. Both lines are critical.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:17:55 PM(UTC)
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8 in the box, make Tavaris Jackson beat you.

Offensively, attack the secondary with slants all night long.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:26:39 PM(UTC)
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8 in the box, make Tavaris Jackson beat you.

Offensively, attack the secondary with slants all night long.


YES, YES, and YES!
Not just AP, Chester is just as capable. The run game must be stopped. And TJ cant beat us. Those two things are crucial. And our O-line could also be very vital. PROTECT Aaron is priority number 1. And create lanes for Ryan.

I don't want to see TJ running around too much either. Our LBS need to contain him, keep him from running for those 3-6 yards scampers.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 2:08:46 PM(UTC)
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Well, I don't know if we are GOING to win, but I sure as hell HOPE we do, because I just raised a whole lotta ruckus over at that purple board. If you are a visitor to the board to which I refer, I kindly direct your attention to the Trash the Pack thread. These boys are takin' things personal! I forgot to mention my level of concern to them as regards our chances...
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Offline twebdonny  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 2:17:08 PM(UTC)
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Up the gut, smashmouth, hard running is the key to winning this game.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 2:40:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Up the gut, smashmouth, hard running is the key to winning this game.

DJ


I'm not so sure. Why play directly to their strengths? There's no denying that the two monsters up front will clog running lanes all day for Grant and Jackson.

Besides, Minnesota is going to do the exact thing I suggested on defense - put 8 men in the box and make Rodgers beat them. Running right into that is a recipe for three and out city I'm afraid.

Green Bay has the best wide receiving core in the NFL. Minnesota has a poor secondary. Sometimes, it's just that easy.
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Offline gopackgo  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 2:41:43 PM(UTC)
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Having the O-line provide enough protection for Rodgers to throw the deep ball. With Madieu Williams out, Rodgers can take advantage of throwing the deep ball over the middle when he gets the chance. Rodgers also needs a quick release, because you know the Vikings are going to throw everything they have at him.

Obviously, stop AP. Jackson will not beat us with his arm. Pickett and Jolly really need to solidify the interior of the line to make AP bounce outside.

Jenkins and KGB need to take advantage of McKinnie's suspension and school the poor guy.

Also, scoring more points would be good.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 3:03:20 PM(UTC)
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makeshift?

This version of the oline probably had more reps as a group than the 'projected starting group' did. Once again I think I'm in the minority in thinking the oline isnt a weakness.

I also have to disagree with you about Jackson. He doesn't scare me. Either he holds it and gets killed or throws it and gets it picked off. Either one is fine with me.

Trom's 3 keys to victory:

1. Stop Adrian Peterson.
2. Since you can't stop him, contain Adrian Peterson.
3. Since you can't contain him, outscore the bastards. Go Offense!


I completely disagree with the OL. It is a problem. Not thinking it isn't a problem doesn't solve it not being a problem. That's called denial.

Now, this is how you beat the Vikes. Note that it's exactly the same way to beat the Vikes as it was in '07.

We keep AP off the field. We open up the passing game. Get a rhythm. Yes, our OL is weak. Yes, their DL is good. But you do three steps back and release all day long. Don't give them time to think. Throw screens. Throw short slants. Throw 70% of the time, but get the ball off asap.

Score early and often. Childress will panic and put the ball in Tarvaris' hands. Then the game is ours.
Mike McCarthy will do that. Watch.
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Offline bozz_2006  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 3:13:38 PM(UTC)
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i think the OL is a problem insofar as it was a problem before Wells got hurt. One hurt guy out of the group can't completely derail the whole group. i agree with Trom that, in week one, we'd be about equal with or without Wells, because of all the time he's missed in preseason. I say the OL is a problem, but i don't think it would cease to be a problem if Wells were strarting this week.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 3:26:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
i think the OL is a problem insofar as it was a problem before Wells got hurt. One hurt guy out of the group can't completely derail the whole group. i agree with Trom that, in week one, we'd be about equal with or without Wells, because of all the time he's missed in preseason. I say the OL is a problem, but i don't think it would cease to be a problem if Wells were strarting this week.

Mike McCarthy will gameplan accordingly. We will have to be faster paced and won't be able to do the 5 step drops so much. Aaron Rodgers 's release will have to be faster and we won't have as many runs up the middle.

Don't worry though, there are still holes to exploit and if it comes down to a battle of wits between coaches, the game is ours.
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Offline Cheesey  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 3:46:30 PM(UTC)
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Offline TengoJuego  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:50:22 PM(UTC)
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Stopping their running game will be crucial. It wont be the deciding factor. But if we eliminate it, we have nearly a guaranteed victory.

Our O-line situation is what I'm worried most about. I hope that come gameday, they out play themselves and just surprise the hell out of everyone. Ryan also concerns me, he hasn't played at game speed since the NFC ship. But Gregorious is who I think will spark our Offense. One of those quick slants is going to the house.

All in all, I'm very optimistic. I don't even worry about our team on D. Veteran leadership is priceless. We can win, and we WILL win.
Offline warhawk  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:16:05 PM(UTC)
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I think the biggest key is having Pickett back and how Jolly plays (and he can be a monster). As I stated in another thread I think Pickett is huge in our run defense because he executes his part to perfection which creates opportunities for the guys behind him. That's how our run "D" works.

There has been a big difference in our run "D" when he has been in there and when he has not (most of the pre-season). If we keep AP in control we win because then the advantage goes to our WR's and passing game against the other seven they have on the field and we win that battle.

In fact, only Greenway would be a player in that back seven that could replace anyone we have back there. Go thru the lineup yourself. What other Viking goes in front of anybody we have in that back seven.

I know, I know, now we have this huge pass rush problem that the Vikes will be bringing, right? I don't know about that. In the entire careers of all four starting DL for the Vikes including Allen, Edwards, and both Williams', they have a GRAND TOTAL of 2 and 1/2 sacks in NINETEEN GAMES combined against the Pack.

The Vikings didn't improve all four pass rushers. They improved one and we will be doubling him. Don't look for that to mean now they will be equaling their sack total in one game to what they have done in their entire careers. Won't happen.

The Vikes run it well and stop the run well the rest of what they have is all talk, talk, talk. If we keep AP around 100yds. we win. Maybe by double digits.
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Offline walleye  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:27:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I think the biggest key is having Pickett back and how Jolly plays (and he can be a monster). As I stated in another thread I think Pickett is huge in our run defense because he executes his part to perfection which creates opportunities for the guys behind him. That's how our run "D" works.

There has been a big difference in our run "D" when he has been in there and when he has not (most of the pre-season). If we keep AP in control we win because then the advantage goes to our WR's and passing game against the other seven they have on the field and we win that battle.

In fact, only Greenway would be a player in that back seven that could replace anyone we have back there. Go thru the lineup yourself. What other Viking goes in front of anybody we have in that back seven.

I know, I know, now we have this huge pass rush problem that the Vikes will be bringing, right? I don't know about that. In the entire careers of all four starting DL for the Vikes including Allen, Edwards, and both Williams', they have a GRAND TOTAL of 2 and 1/2 sacks in NINETEEN GAMES combined against the Pack.

The Vikings didn't improve all four pass rushers. They improved one and we will be doubling him. Don't look for that to mean now they will be equaling their sack total in one game to what they have done in their entire careers. Won't happen.

The Vikes run it well and stop the run well the rest of what they have is all talk, talk, talk. If we keep AP around 100yds. we win. Maybe by double digits.

I agree with that 150% Its almost time for Aaron Rodgers to show up these jackasses talken smack!
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:37:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Stopping their running game will be crucial. It wont be the deciding factor. But if we eliminate it, we have nearly a guaranteed victory.

Our O-line situation is what I'm worried most about. I hope that come gameday, they out play themselves and just surprise the hell out of everyone. Ryan also concerns me, he hasn't played at game speed since the NFC ship. But Gregorious is who I think will spark our Offense. One of those quick slants is going to the house.

All in all, I'm very optimistic. I don't even worry about our team on D. Veteran leadership is priceless. We can win, and we WILL win.


This is the thing. We won't need to stop their running game. Last year, Childress abandoned the running game when he fell behind. He'll do the same this year if we take a good lead.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:48:36 PM(UTC)
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Stopping their running game will be crucial. It wont be the deciding factor. But if we eliminate it, we have nearly a guaranteed victory.

Our O-line situation is what I'm worried most about. I hope that come gameday, they out play themselves and just surprise the hell out of everyone. Ryan also concerns me, he hasn't played at game speed since the NFC ship. But Gregorious is who I think will spark our Offense. One of those quick slants is going to the house.

All in all, I'm very optimistic. I don't even worry about our team on D. Veteran leadership is priceless. We can win, and we WILL win.


This is the thing. We won't need to stop their running game. Last year, Childress abandoned the running game when he fell behind. He'll do the same this year if we take a good lead.


That's right. But it's not like Childress is stupid for abandoning the run when the Vikes get down by two scores. That's basically what you have to do. Some teams can succeed when they have to do that, and some (Vikings) have to put their hopes on a wing and a prayer.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:08:43 PM(UTC)
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:17:17 PM(UTC)
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Who's the right guard if spitz slide to center?

Moll will play RG.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:28:54 PM(UTC)
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Atari Bigby (of course this is totally unbiased lol)


But actually he will be a big key to a win. He needs to hit hard and tackle consistenly against the run game. He needs to make their receivers not want to catch across the middle. He could lay out TJ on a blitz. He could possibly get an INT.

Like I said before.... TOTALLY unbiased :)
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:45:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I think the biggest key is having Pickett back and how Jolly plays (and he can be a monster). As I stated in another thread I think Pickett is huge in our run defense because he executes his part to perfection which creates opportunities for the guys behind him. That's how our run "D" works.

There has been a big difference in our run "D" when he has been in there and when he has not (most of the pre-season). If we keep AP in control we win because then the advantage goes to our WR's and passing game against the other seven they have on the field and we win that battle.

In fact, only Greenway would be a player in that back seven that could replace anyone we have back there. Go thru the lineup yourself. What other Viking goes in front of anybody we have in that back seven.

I know, I know, now we have this huge pass rush problem that the Vikes will be bringing, right? I don't know about that. In the entire careers of all four starting DL for the Vikes including Allen, Edwards, and both Williams', they have a GRAND TOTAL of 2 and 1/2 sacks in NINETEEN GAMES combined against the Pack.

The Vikings didn't improve all four pass rushers. They improved one and we will be doubling him. Don't look for that to mean now they will be equaling their sack total in one game to what they have done in their entire careers. Won't happen.

The Vikes run it well and stop the run well the rest of what they have is all talk, talk, talk. If we keep AP around 100yds. we win. Maybe by double digits.


Yes, the key to stopping the Vikings is stopping AD. You know it, I know it, and Mike McCarthy knows it. Hopefully Brad Childress knows it too, so he will have game planned for that eventuality. I actually expect him to come out throwing in the first series, just to pull the secondary out of the box. After that we settle down.

As far as the Vikings pass rush, historically when we have played Green Bay, you have always double teamed Kevin Williams. Now if you double team Allen too, that means you have four men committed to two guys. That means you will be short one OL, unless you plan on keeping a fullback in to block Allen (which is actually a good idea, that is probably what we will be doing to Kampman). Even then it means that Phat Pat and Edwards will be singled. Don't be so quick to dismiss the Vikings pass rush (which was shining in the preseason) against your OL (which did NOT shine...).

Bottom line, it will come down to the battles in the trenches. Whichever team is more successful generating pressure with just their front four will come out of this with the W.

Here is to a GREAT opener with no injuries...

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#24 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:01:51 PM(UTC)
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Adrian Peterson will probably run all over us, but that doesn't guarantee a Viking win. Just make sure he doesn't break too many big ones. Let them advance the ball slowly down the field and mostly settle for field goals.

On offense, we win by exploiting the edges. I think Grant had a really good rushing day against the Vikings in the second game last year, like he was the first player to run for over 100 yards against them or something. Run him to the outside, or throw to him out there, and avoid those beasts that play tackle for the Vikes. This will also force Jared Allen to honor the run instead of selling himself out on the pass rush on every play.

Packers win, 31-27.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:20:32 PM(UTC)
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Ryan Grant will run through the hole that Jared Allen always makes. Jared Allen may help the pass defense but IMO hurts their run defense. His style of play takes him five yards behind the line of scrimmage and then he has to try and turn the corner and beat the LT. Him doing this will make a big hole on the left side for Grant to run through.
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