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Offline josdin00  
#11 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 1:41:39 PM(UTC)
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I think a lot of us with Green and Gold lenses like to minimize just how much Favre did last year. Sure it's a team effort, but scouts do this for a living. It's no coincidence that they picked Brett Favre as NFC North MVP. They make predictions like the rest of us, but the difference between us and them is they have more access than we do. Of course not implying they can't be wrong.

I do think the Vikes will give us a good run. Even without my Green and Gold aside though, I still think we have a more complete team than MN. Do not underestimate Ryan Grant. When our OL comes together, he's going to do a lot of damage to opposing Ds. Our D is solid. No weak spots. On top of that, I'll say something bold right here - our QB is the best in the division and by the end of the year, you'll see I'm right.

But I'm not counting out the Vikes. They're going to give us a good divisional fight. They got some sick playmakers, including the #1 guy in the NFL in sacks and the #2 RB in the NFL. We have better coaching and a more complete team.


I'm going to respectfully disagree with your QB statement, but then again, you proabably expected that. The Pack do have a very complete team, but not any more so than the Vikings.

Pack 'holes':
-Ryan Grant held out most of the preseason. Frequently, when that happens, the player is more suceptable to injuries when they come back, due to lack of conditioning. We've already seen evidence of that with his hamstring injury. I don't know if this will affect him or not during the regular season, but it is a concern.
-The offensive line is falling apart, and needs more patches than that moth-eaten old quilt in your grandma's attic. This hurts both Rodgers and Grant.
-Rodgers has the reputation around the league of being somewhat injury prone. The Packers 2 backups are both rookies.

Vikes 'holes':
-Tarvaris Jackson needs to learn to :xcensoredx: slide!
-With Mckinnie suspended for the first 4 games, the left side of our OL will have some struggles early in the season
-Defensive depth. Injuries hurt us this preseason. Our starters are mostly ok, but the talent level behind them is a little thin in spots.
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Offline josdin00  
#12 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 1:43:52 PM(UTC)
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Yes, they are for real. Favre made everyone around him look better, and the Packers won't have that this year. From what I saw in the preseason, the pack's o-line looks shakey, and Rodgers doesn't have the experience to deal with that, at least not right away. The Vikings made vast improvements in personel this offseason, and the two teams are now at a point where the only differentiating point between the two teams' skill levels is at the QB position. People outside the NFCN don't know what to expect from Rodgers and Jackson. During the preseason, Rodgers looked inconsistant, and Jackson looked good (when healthy). I think that pushes the Vikings a little bit ahead of the Packers in most outsiders' eyes. It's going to be a close race. Anyone who thinks otherwise stopped paying attention last December.


Last December? I guess I don't get it. The Vikings beat three teams with a losing record and lost the final two games like they always do.

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Let me rephrase that sentence to clarify -

Anyone who thinks otherwise stopped paying attention at the end of last season.
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Offline TengoJuego  
#13 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 1:44:25 PM(UTC)
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You take away Jared Allen from the acquisitions in the off season, and its basically the same team. I don't know when one defensive player made a team a contender.

But w/e that just makes popping the bubble so much better, than the gum splatters and gets stuck on their face, and their stuck trying to peel it off all season.
Offline zombieslayer  
#14 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 2:00:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post


I'm going to respectfully disagree with your QB statement, but then again, you proabably expected that. The Pack do have a very complete team, but not any more so than the Vikings.

Pack 'holes':
-Ryan Grant held out most of the preseason. Frequently, when that happens, the player is more suceptable to injuries when they come back, due to lack of conditioning. We've already seen evidence of that with his hamstring injury. I don't know if this will affect him or not during the regular season, but it is a concern.
-The offensive line is falling apart, and needs more patches than that moth-eaten old quilt in your grandma's attic. This hurts both Rodgers and Grant.
-Rodgers has the reputation around the league of being somewhat injury prone. The Packers 2 backups are both rookies.

Vikes 'holes':
-Tarvaris Jackson needs to learn to :xcensoredx: slide!
-With Mckinnie suspended for the first 4 games, the left side of our OL will have some struggles early in the season
-Defensive depth. Injuries hurt us this preseason. Our starters are mostly ok, but the talent level behind them is a little thin in spots.


Good points. Yes, history is not on our side when a RB holds out and barely plays preseason. Yes, our OL is spotty. Our OTs are da bomb, but with Wells injured, I'm not too happy about the other 3 spots. This could cause some serious problems for our running game.

I do think that Packer fans like to gloss over the fact that Brett Favre would take hits and get right back up. Nothing against Rodgers, but you can't expect Rodgers to do the same. Brett Favre made a lot of Packer fans take the QB spot for granted. Look at the other 31 teams. How many teams had a QB who started the past 32 games without injury? That's only 2 years. How many teams had their QB start all 16 games last year?

Beyond Rodgers, we're in trouble. If he goes down this season, we're not going very far. I really like Rodgers, but with our OL, I do worry about his health.

As for your holes, I haven't watched enough of the Vikes to reply, but I do know from the other site that you know football, so I'll take your word for it.

I will however stand up for what I said about Rodgers. If his health holds up, he's going to be considered the best QB in the NFC North. His health though is depending on our OL.
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Offline Packnic  
#15 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 2:47:34 PM(UTC)
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Favre did cover up a lot of things. He also exposed several things at times too. And warhawk brings up a great point as well, where was this "cover" in 05. So Favre can cover up for good players but not bad players... that makes sense.


We won the division by 5 games last year. 5 games. 5 games. 5 games.

adding Jared Allen doesnt make the Vikings 6 games better than the Packers. Jared Allen is a good player and the Vikings are a good team. But hes not a Reggie White player. Hes an Aaron Kampman kind of player. Hard worker and very solid player but not a game changer.
Clifton handled his ass last year like child's play.

bottom line is that the Vikings were just as excited about last season as they are this year. and thats the truth... Last year was the year, everything was gonna be different and they were finally gonna do it. then they lost the division by 5 games. 5. 5 games. 5.


I hope to God they do come into this season thinking they are the best. Over look us. Keep asking who Aaron Rodgers is. Keep talking trash. Keep raising your expectations. Keep pumping your offseason like you do every year and we will take the rings as usual.

But truthfully, they have thought they were the best many many times before.... and thats the way it goes when you have never known what its like to REALLY be the best. you just gotta guess every year.
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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#16 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 2:49:20 PM(UTC)
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Favre made everyone around him look better, and the Packers won't have that this year.


True... if you're talking about the first month of last season. Favre carried us. But as the season progressed, our team started to develop to the point that Favre simply had to let his play makers handle their business.


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From what I saw in the preseason, the pack's o-line looks shakey, and Rodgers doesn't have the experience to deal with that, at least not right away.


Um yeah we're returning all 5 starters from last year's o-line that grew and matured beautifully. Going into the first game, 4 of the 5 starters last year are starting again. The C is being replaced with the starting G, and the new starting G is a 3rd year player that is no slouch.

The Packers o-line play may have been shaky this pre-season, but not as much as it was during the first month of last season. They got things together very quickly, so it isn't as if this is a major cause for concern.



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During the preseason, Rodgers looked inconsistant, and Jackson looked good (when healthy).


Inconsistent? He had one bad game... the 49ers game.

Every other game he was quite accurate, made good reads, and quite frankly played well. He's no Favre, but he doesn't need to be with the way our O has matured.

I've had a change of heart... I think Packers win opening night 24-20.

At worst, the Packers should be a 10-6 team, at best they've got the potential to go 12-4. But they have to gel awfully quickly for that to happen, something I wouldn't count out.
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#17 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 3:12:43 PM(UTC)
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I'm fine with him using the word "inconsistent" to describe Rodgers in the preseason, although I'd have some arguing points.

I had another Vikings fan call his performance in the preseason as "dismal". :lol: 103.6 passer rating that would've been higher had Francies not let a pass bounce off his chest for an INT. Dismal. :lol:

I'm not worried about Rodgers at all. Our O-line is my main concern. And I want to see our run D step up. Take care of those things and I am looking for 12+ wins this season.
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Offline digsthepack  
#18 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 3:21:26 PM(UTC)
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While our DL might be a little less potent than last year, I honestly believe they are going to toun our LB loose like a pack of starved dogs on a hindquarter of cow.

Popp as a rusher situationally; Barnett and Hawk blitzing with intent; and add to the mix some safety and DB options. We will perform at a very high level on D as a unit.

My only concern about Rodgers is health....and there is quite a difference between being hurt, and being able to play hurt. To me, Rodgers seems like someone who is incredibly strong mentally, and will be able to face adversity down and play through it.
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Offline NodakPaul  
#19 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 3:34:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I'm fine with him using the word "inconsistent" to describe Rodgers in the preseason, although I'd have some arguing points.

I had another Vikings fan call his performance in the preseason as "dismal". :lol: 103.6 passer rating that would've been higher had Francies not let a pass bounce off his chest for an INT. Dismal. :lol:

I'm not worried about Rodgers at all. Our O-line is my main concern. And I want to see our run D step up. Take care of those things and I am looking for 12+ wins this season.


It also would have been lower had the Tennessee CB not screwed up. You can't play the IF game. If the queen had balls she'd be the king. Doesn't make it so...

I wouldn't call Rodger's performance dismal by any means. Especially as the preseason went on. I would call the OL dismal though.
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Offline walleye  
#20 Posted : Friday, September 5, 2008 3:39:10 PM(UTC)
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