Discussion Board
Welcome Guest! You can login or register. Login or Register.
2 Pages<12

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Pack93z  
#21 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 1:19:49 PM(UTC)
Before we get to far down this "abandon" the running game theme.. you have to have some type of a running game to win in the playoffs.. I could care less if you pass 75% of the time, you have to have a threat on the ground to keep the D balanced. There have been cases where a team has defied that long and tested theory.. but it holds true a greater percentage of the time.

The 49ers of the 80's had Craig and Rathman..

The small percentage of the time the backs touch the ball, they have to produce positive effective gains.. otherwise, no matter how creative you are in the schemes of the passing game.. an aggressive defensive front and a decent game plan in the secondary will catch up with you sooner or later.
Greg C.  
#22 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 1:33:30 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
Before we get to far down this "abandon" the running game theme.. you have to have some type of a running game to win in the playoffs.. I could care less if you pass 75% of the time, you have to have a threat on the ground to keep the D balanced. There have been cases where a team has defied that long and tested theory.. but it holds true a greater percentage of the time.

The 49ers of the 80's had Craig and Rathman..

The small percentage of the time the backs touch the ball, they have to produce positive effective gains.. otherwise, no matter how creative you are in the schemes of the passing game.. an aggressive defensive front and a decent game plan in the secondary will catch up with you sooner or later.


Holy overreaction, Batman! Who said anything about abandoning the running game? I was just pointing out that nowadays most teams pass more than they run. But both are still very important.
zombieslayer  
#23 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 1:42:31 PM(UTC)
Agreed with Greg C. Just because I said the passing game was more important doesn't mean you can have Joe Fumble as your RB.

I think Mike McCarthy earlier this year mentioned the passing % of the top tier teams and I think of the top 5 last year, I think four of them were at or near 70% pass. I think the Giants had the lowest % of passing of the top 5 (Packers, Cows, Pats, Colts, and the Giants).
Pack93z  
#24 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 2:20:57 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post

Holy overreaction, Batman! Who said anything about abandoning the running game? I was just pointing out that nowadays most teams pass more than they run. But both are still very important.


LOL.. I apparently didn't phrase it well enough or make my point clear, what I was trying to get at is that I agree that it is less important to run 45 or 50 % of the time, but in the percentage that you are going to run it needs to be consistent and effective.

In other words, I think the pass to run ratio is an over rated stat.. I personally am more concerned about how consistent and effective it is than just running it to balance the numbers for the talking heads and those that print the stat a 1000 times a week.

That is all.. nothing more. Sorry for the lack of explaining myself clearly the first time through..
zombieslayer  
#25 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 2:34:26 PM(UTC)
In the future, you may even see a football team that uses RBs mostly for screens, short passes, and pass protection with your top RB getting a whopping 700 yards rushing and still the O can't be stopped.

Like take the Pats in '07 for instance. Best O ever. Top RB gets 865 yards rushing, but who was really more important, Maroney or K Faulk?
Pack93z  
#26 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 2:43:20 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post

Like take the Pats in '07 for instance. Best O ever. Top RB gets 865 yards rushing, but who was really more important, Maroney or K Faulk?


That is my point though.. they ran into a team with an aggressive front on defense that wasn't afraid to pin there ears back and all out rush the QB every snap. I could care less if you run it 10 % of the time.. you have to have that element of effectiveness to the ground game to win it all in this league.

In your example, that was a total different team with Maroney healthy verse not.. he brought a level of threat to the ground game where others just were another guy in the backfield.

But I agree.. the 3 yards and a cloud of dust days are out of cycle in the NFL right now.. until the defenses catch up or the league takes away some of the rules to slow up the passing game that assist offenses right now.
DarkaneRules  
#27 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 2:43:54 PM(UTC)
Play action passing will always be very important in the NFL. The running game has to be respected for that to work.
zombieslayer  
#28 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 3:04:23 PM(UTC)
Ah ha. Here's what I was looking for.

Let's take the 49ers 5 SB teams.

81 - win the SB with Ricky Patton (half of you saying "who?") rushing for a whopping 543 yards. Well, I guess they did have a rushing threat. Earl Cooper added another 330.

84 - Niners are a very balanced team with Wendell Tyler rushing for 1200+ yards and a young Roger Craig adding another 500+.

88 - Roger Craig has 1500+ yards.

89 - Craig has 1054.

94 - Ricky Watters leads the Niners with 877 yards.

So...
In of the Niners 5 SB wins, twice, they don't even have a 1000+ yard RB, which we all know isn't really that hard to do in a 16 game season (more than half the NFL has a 1000+ rusher on an average year in the 00s).

Sure, the threat of being able to pound the rock is nice, but what really beat the Pats in '07 was better coaching, not the running game. Watch the game again. Coughlin outsmarted Belichick. It was like a chess match where someone knocks off the champion.
warhawk  
#29 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 6:51:36 PM(UTC)
I believe one reason the trend is up in emphasizing the pass is because the rules of today's NFL keeping DB's hands off of receivers is a point OC's HAVE GOT TO EXPLOIT.

Ever since that one SB (sorry, can't remember which one) where the DB's mugged the receivers the whole game and completely shut down the other teams offense and the league rules changed this has been the case. The league WANTS more offense. It sells tickets. The no-touch after five rule provides that.

If the league was letting OL get more jersey on run plays and letting corners beat up the WR's the opposite would be true and teams would be running the hell out of the ball.

The other dynamic today that challenges run offenses is the speed of todays defenders. These LB's running 4.4's and DE's running 4'8's changes the complexion of the game. Now it's all about seeing the field and cutting back. Getting fast "D"'s to overreact is where you find almost all the big runs in today's game. Straight up holes don't stay holes long anymore.
Rss Feed
Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages<12
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error

Fan Shout
buckeyepackfan (6h) : Malachi Dupree wr LSU final pick.
buckeyepackfan (7h) : 3rd rb Devante Mays Utah St
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : from Albert Breer
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Through 99 picks, 17 corners and 11 safeties were picked. Crazy DB class.
Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : I've read there limited high end talent but a lot of good talent. I dunno. I'm not bummed though. Unless we take QB or K or P next lol
DarkaneRules (28-Apr) : well it's not deep at QB, hence why so many people are trading up for one
Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : We're gonna be trading back again. This is exciting! Great strategy if draft is as deep as we're being told.
DarkaneRules (28-Apr) : that moment will always be justin harrell for me
Pack93z (28-Apr) : I can honestly say, that might be the most disappointing moment under Ted Thompson, and impact edge player there, from Wisconsin, and they p
DarkaneRules (28-Apr) : hopefully they move back again. keep gettin' them picks
Smokey (28-Apr) : Nothing motivates a player like dropping from the 1st round and loosing 1st round money. GB's 1st second round pick will be ever so thrilled
Cheesey (28-Apr) : Dang..watched for 3 1/2 hours for THAT?!?
Smokey (27-Apr) : Zero your on the clock ; CHAT THE DRAFT ?
dhazer (27-Apr) : you mean a show that teams improve them selves and we wait all night for our pick and TT trades back lol
Zero2Cool (27-Apr) : NFL Draft is tonight, right?
Tezzy (27-Apr) : \_/ Smokey!
Smokey (26-Apr) : \_/ Tezzy
Tezzy (26-Apr) : I feel we are on the cusp of a special time of Packers football. My optimism for the rest of the 2000-teens is strong.
Tezzy (26-Apr) : Sign Cutler and draft a QB in round 1. Go Pack Go!!!!
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : I will be there with beer in hand.
Smokey (25-Apr) : CHAT and Draft Thursday night in the PACKERSHOME CHAT ROOM ! Don't forget the cold beer .
TheKanataThrilla (21-Apr) : Seattle at Pack week 1. Hopefully Aaron gets some reps this preseason.
TheKanataThrilla (20-Apr) : Ruben Foster tests positive for weed. Any chance he falls to us? Probably not.
Smokey (20-Apr) : Thanks wpr, I'll order a L.Pizza !
wpr (20-Apr) : Smokey the chat room has been available for prior drafts
Smokey (20-Apr) : Great News , Zero . Also will the "Chat" room be up and operating for the 1st round of the NFL Draft ?
Zero2Cool (20-Apr) : Packers schedule coming out today, 7pm CST
Zero2Cool (19-Apr) : Fans should care about Dean Blandino’s departure from the NFL because it matters…a lot http://ble.ac/2osxh74
Zero2Cool (19-Apr) : Aaron Hernandez found dead in prison cell
Tezzy (18-Apr) : That stat line of 142 of 144 regular season games
Zero2Cool (18-Apr) : A.J. Hawk will retire with the @packers after recording the most tackles in franchise history (1,118)
Smokey (14-Apr) : Hernandez already convicted of previous two murders .
Smokey (14-Apr) : Aaron Hermandez found Not Guilty of Murder Charges .
Smokey (11-Apr) : Packers will play the Eagles , Redskins , Broncos , and Rams in Preseason 2017 .
Zero2Cool (11-Apr) : Odd to see GM John Lynch .. I won't get used to that for a while haha
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2017 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 7:30 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 8 @ 3:25 PM
at Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 15 @ 12:00 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 AM
- BYE -
Monday, Nov 6 @ 7:30 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
RAVENS
Sunday, Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM
at Steelers
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 10 @ 12:00 PM
at Browns
Saturday, Dec 23 @ 7:30 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions
Saturday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
at Panthers
Think About It
Think About It
Recent Topics
42m / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

52m / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Dulak

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Bigbyfan

13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / blueleopard

14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / gbguy20

20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

28-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

28-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Rockmolder

28-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

27-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

Headlines