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Offline Pack93z  
#26 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 2:43:20 PM(UTC)

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Like take the Pats in '07 for instance. Best O ever. Top RB gets 865 yards rushing, but who was really more important, Maroney or K Faulk?

That is my point though.. they ran into a team with an aggressive front on defense that wasn't afraid to pin there ears back and all out rush the QB every snap. I could care less if you run it 10 % of the time.. you have to have that element of effectiveness to the ground game to win it all in this league.

In your example, that was a total different team with Maroney healthy verse not.. he brought a level of threat to the ground game where others just were another guy in the backfield.

But I agree.. the 3 yards and a cloud of dust days are out of cycle in the NFL right now.. until the defenses catch up or the league takes away some of the rules to slow up the passing game that assist offenses right now.
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#27 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 2:43:54 PM(UTC)

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Play action passing will always be very important in the NFL. The running game has to be respected for that to work.
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#28 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 3:04:23 PM(UTC)

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Ah ha. Here's what I was looking for.

Let's take the 49ers 5 SB teams.

81 - win the SB with Ricky Patton (half of you saying "who?") rushing for a whopping 543 yards. Well, I guess they did have a rushing threat. Earl Cooper added another 330.

84 - Niners are a very balanced team with Wendell Tyler rushing for 1200+ yards and a young Roger Craig adding another 500+.

88 - Roger Craig has 1500+ yards.

89 - Craig has 1054.

94 - Ricky Watters leads the Niners with 877 yards.

In of the Niners 5 SB wins, twice, they don't even have a 1000+ yard RB, which we all know isn't really that hard to do in a 16 game season (more than half the NFL has a 1000+ rusher on an average year in the 00s).

Sure, the threat of being able to pound the rock is nice, but what really beat the Pats in '07 was better coaching, not the running game. Watch the game again. Coughlin outsmarted Belichick. It was like a chess match where someone knocks off the champion.
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#29 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2008 6:51:36 PM(UTC)

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I believe one reason the trend is up in emphasizing the pass is because the rules of today's NFL keeping DB's hands off of receivers is a point OC's HAVE GOT TO EXPLOIT.

Ever since that one SB (sorry, can't remember which one) where the DB's mugged the receivers the whole game and completely shut down the other teams offense and the league rules changed this has been the case. The league WANTS more offense. It sells tickets. The no-touch after five rule provides that.

If the league was letting OL get more jersey on run plays and letting corners beat up the WR's the opposite would be true and teams would be running the hell out of the ball.

The other dynamic today that challenges run offenses is the speed of todays defenders. These LB's running 4.4's and DE's running 4'8's changes the complexion of the game. Now it's all about seeing the field and cutting back. Getting fast "D"'s to overreact is where you find almost all the big runs in today's game. Straight up holes don't stay holes long anymore.
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