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Offline NodakPaul  
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:52:43 AM(UTC)
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This is why I don't mind Allen trash talking. When he is beat, he is man enough to come out and say so. Class.

http://www.startribune.c...ts/vikings/28224949.html

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Allen didn't alibi and claim he was held a number of times.

"No, I didn't think there was too much holding," Allen said. "[Packers offensive tackle Chad] Clifton is a good player. He was in the Pro Bowl for a reason, and he's athletic, but I don't think there was too much holding. There was a lot of chips, a lot of double-teams, a lot of people cutting me from different angles, and I took a pretty big thigh bruise on that goal-line play. But other than that, like I said, you've got to go out and create your own opportunities sometimes. So I'm just back to work, back to the field. You're going to have those games, and we'll come out and be better this week."
...
"There's the snap, Rodgers with a quick drop - in trouble! AND SACKED BY ALLEN! The ball is lose, the ball is lose, and recovered by Kevin Williams! And that's the ball game! Childress and the Vikings FINALLY beat the Packers!"
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Offline tromadz  
#2 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:57:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
This is why I don't mind Allen trash talking. When he is beat, he is man enough to come out and say so. Class.

http://www.startribune.c...ts/vikings/28224949.html

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Allen didn't alibi and claim he was held a number of times.

"No, I didn't think there was too much holding," Allen said. "[Packers offensive tackle Chad] Clifton is a good player. He was in the Pro Bowl for a reason, and he's athletic, but I don't think there was too much holding. There was a lot of chips, a lot of double-teams, a lot of people cutting me from different angles, and I took a pretty big thigh bruise on that goal-line play. But other than that, like I said, you've got to go out and create your own opportunities sometimes. So I'm just back to work, back to the field. You're going to have those games, and we'll come out and be better this week."
...


So basically the Vikes got outcoached and outplayed.

It's nice that he's eating humble pie, but he wouldn't be saying this[about clifton] if the Vikings won and Allen actually, ya know, did something. It would be all "Told ya" and "Vikings will win the division" or other ludicrous Vikings crazy talk like they've been doing the last two months.

Sorry if I don't throw Jared Allen a parade.
Offline NodakPaul  
#3 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:04:36 AM(UTC)
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This is why I don't mind Allen trash talking. When he is beat, he is man enough to come out and say so. Class.

http://www.startribune.c...ts/vikings/28224949.html

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Allen didn't alibi and claim he was held a number of times.

"No, I didn't think there was too much holding," Allen said. "[Packers offensive tackle Chad] Clifton is a good player. He was in the Pro Bowl for a reason, and he's athletic, but I don't think there was too much holding. There was a lot of chips, a lot of double-teams, a lot of people cutting me from different angles, and I took a pretty big thigh bruise on that goal-line play. But other than that, like I said, you've got to go out and create your own opportunities sometimes. So I'm just back to work, back to the field. You're going to have those games, and we'll come out and be better this week."
...


So basically the Vikes got outcoached and outplayed.

It's nice that he's eating humble pie, but he wouldn't be saying this[about clifton] if the Vikings won and Allen actually, ya know, did something. It would be all "Told ya" and "Vikings will win the division" or other ludicrous Vikings crazy talk like they've been doing the last two months.

Sorry if I don't throw Jared Allen a parade.


You mean like the stuff the Packers and their entourage have been saying?
http://www.packershome.c...ile=viewtopic&t=1621
Why is OK for the Pack to do it after a win, but when a Vikings comes out and gives props where props is due, he is still a horrible person.

Talking trash before a game is part of the game. Talking trash after a win is being a poor winner.
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Offline 4PackGirl  
#4 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:10:44 AM(UTC)
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for me, trash talking is all done in fun. for pro players, i've heard it helps motivate them for each game.

i don't think jokin around about some dude who blatantly put himself out there saying he was gonna attack rodgers & then didn't, qualifies us as poor winners.

i think it is what it is - a rivalry that is fun to joke & laugh about - win or lose.
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Offline tromadz  
#5 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:20:56 AM(UTC)
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This is why I don't mind Allen trash talking. When he is beat, he is man enough to come out and say so. Class.

http://www.startribune.c...ts/vikings/28224949.html

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Allen didn't alibi and claim he was held a number of times.

"No, I didn't think there was too much holding," Allen said. "[Packers offensive tackle Chad] Clifton is a good player. He was in the Pro Bowl for a reason, and he's athletic, but I don't think there was too much holding. There was a lot of chips, a lot of double-teams, a lot of people cutting me from different angles, and I took a pretty big thigh bruise on that goal-line play. But other than that, like I said, you've got to go out and create your own opportunities sometimes. So I'm just back to work, back to the field. You're going to have those games, and we'll come out and be better this week."
...


So basically the Vikes got outcoached and outplayed.

It's nice that he's eating humble pie, but he wouldn't be saying this[about clifton] if the Vikings won and Allen actually, ya know, did something. It would be all "Told ya" and "Vikings will win the division" or other ludicrous Vikings crazy talk like they've been doing the last two months.

Sorry if I don't throw Jared Allen a parade.


You mean like the stuff the Packers and their entourage have been saying?
http://www.packershome.c...ile=viewtopic&t=1621
Why is OK for the Pack to do it after a win, but when a Vikings comes out and gives props where props is due, he is still a horrible person.

Talking trash before a game is part of the game. Talking trash after a win is being a poor winner.


You realize Leroy Butler hasn't played in years and is a documented piece of $#!T, right?

Do you bash the current Bears players\fans when Mike Ditka gets drunk and says something crazy?

Allen isn't a horrible person, just an overrated player who got what he had coming to him, and thats 0's across his stat line. They play the Colts this week, right? They have Oline issues, maybe he'll get a sack or a tackle this week.

For the record, while most people here are awesome and play nice, I do not. I'm the guy who dresses you down and tells you how things work. I like that you changed your sig though. Another prediction by Nostra[edited].
Offline Cheesey  
#6 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:39:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
for me, trash talking is all done in fun. for pro players, i've heard it helps motivate them for each game.

i don't think jokin around about some dude who blatantly put himself out there saying he was gonna attack rodgers & then didn't, qualifies us as poor winners.

i think it is what it is - a rivalry that is fun to joke & laugh about - win or lose.

First it was Sharper, then Allen..........who's it gonna be next to put his foot in his mouth?
(Sharper did it so much he now has "athelete's tongue!")LOLOL!!!

But i DO give props to Allen for coming out and admitting he got beat. That DOES take class in my view! :thumbleft:
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Offline longtimefan  
#7 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:48:38 AM(UTC)
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This is why I don't mind Allen trash talking. When he is beat, he is man enough to come out and say so. Class.

http://www.startribune.c...ts/vikings/28224949.html

Quote:
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Allen didn't alibi and claim he was held a number of times.

"No, I didn't think there was too much holding," Allen said. "[Packers offensive tackle Chad] Clifton is a good player. He was in the Pro Bowl for a reason, and he's athletic, but I don't think there was too much holding. There was a lot of chips, a lot of double-teams, a lot of people cutting me from different angles, and I took a pretty big thigh bruise on that goal-line play. But other than that, like I said, you've got to go out and create your own opportunities sometimes. So I'm just back to work, back to the field. You're going to have those games, and we'll come out and be better this week."
...


So basically the Vikes got outcoached and outplayed.

It's nice that he's eating humble pie, but he wouldn't be saying this[about clifton] if the Vikings won and Allen actually, ya know, did something. It would be all "Told ya" and "Vikings will win the division" or other ludicrous Vikings crazy talk like they've been doing the last two months.

Sorry if I don't throw Jared Allen a parade.


You mean like the stuff the Packers and their entourage have been saying?
http://www.packershome.c...ile=viewtopic&t=1621
Why is OK for the Pack to do it after a win, but when a Vikings comes out and gives props where props is due, he is still a horrible person.

Talking trash before a game is part of the game. Talking trash after a win is being a poor winner.


You realize Leroy Butler hasn't played in years and is a documented piece of $#!T, right?

Do you bash the current Bears players\fans when Mike Ditka gets drunk and says something crazy?

Allen isn't a horrible person, just an overrated player who got what he had coming to him, and thats 0's across his stat line. They play the Colts this week, right? They have Oline issues, maybe he'll get a sack or a tackle this week.

For the record, while most people here are awesome and play nice, I do not. I'm the guy who dresses you down and tells you how things work. I like that you changed your sig though. Another prediction by Nostra[edited].


Allen got his ass handed to him and I respect him for being a man and admitting it..He didnt whine and cry that they held, that they did this and that..

I don't respect him for flapping his mouth, but do respect him for admitting he did suck

But Trom......... Paul is grasping for something to show Packers do talk smack..To bad he forgets Butler is a pos, and hasnt played in years.
Offline Roddyboy  
#8 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:58:08 AM(UTC)
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Why is Butler a pos, in your view?

He was a great Packer.
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#9 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:58:39 AM(UTC)
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Speaking of holding, I finally saw the Bears/Colts game last night on Replay (before the Packers game). Holy God, did you see the hold by the Bears LT on the 3rd down throw to Clark down near the goal line? I don't understand how refs miss that crap.
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Offline NodakPaul  
#10 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:00:09 AM(UTC)
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Allen got his ass handed to him and I respect him for being a man and admitting it..He didnt whine and cry that they held, that they did this and that..

I don't respect him for flapping his mouth, but do respect him for admitting he did suck

But Trom......... Paul is grasping for something to show Packers do talk smack..To bad he forgets Butler is a pos, and hasnt played in years.


I do know that Butler is a POS, and I also know that he hasn't played since 2005. That wasn't the point. My point was that Trom said that Allen was the kind of guy who wuld have talked smack after a win, which simply hasn't been the case. EVER in Allen's career. People who do that are poor winners IMHO, and I used Butler as an example of one. When Allen manned up to getting beat, he still gets dissed, yet when people like Butler talk shit after the win, it is celebrated (even highlighted in yellow, with large font).

And Trom, since you're "the guy who dresses you down and tells you how things work", let's see if you consistently do that when the tables are turned. You have seen how the Vikings and their fans handle a loss to a rival. I'll be waiting to see if Packer fans handle it with the same amount of levity and class...
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#11 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:17:46 AM(UTC)
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Allen got his ass handed to him and I respect him for being a man and admitting it..He didnt whine and cry that they held, that they did this and that..

I don't respect him for flapping his mouth, but do respect him for admitting he did suck

But Trom......... Paul is grasping for something to show Packers do talk smack..To bad he forgets Butler is a pos, and hasnt played in years.


I do know that Butler is a POS, and I also know that he hasn't played since 2005. That wasn't the point. My point was that Trom said that Allen was the kind of guy who wuld have talked smack after a win, which simply hasn't been the case. EVER in Allen's career. People who do that are poor winners IMHO, and I used Butler as an example of one. When Allen manned up to getting beat, he still gets dissed, yet when people like Butler talk shit after the win, it is celebrated (even highlighted in yellow, with large font).

And Trom, since you're "the guy who dresses you down and tells you how things work", let's see if you consistently do that when the tables are turned. You have seen how the Vikings and their fans handle a loss to a rival. I'll be waiting to see if Packer fans handle it with the same amount of levity and class...


Leroy DID NOT PLAY THE GAME MONDAY

You can not use a "reporter" talking smack to compare it to a PLAYER that PLAYED the game..

Do you NOT understand that?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:19:58 AM(UTC)
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Why is Butler a pos, in your view?

He was a great Packer.


yup great player and one of the best players ever on the team..

but he is a pos for how he has handled things AFTER he retired..


Kid... Mr Butler can I have your autograph

Leroy...You got 10$

Kid...No

Leroy..Then I don't have your autograph


That is just ONE example but there are many more
Offline TheEngineer  
#13 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:27:02 AM(UTC)
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As I said in the other thread:

If you ask me, trash talking should be left up to the fans to engage in. Players should conduct themselves with the maturity and professionalism that their media exposure and incredible salary commands.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:45:36 AM(UTC)
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For me, this showed class on Allen's part of after running his mouth, came back and gave credit where credit is due. Why bash him for such an act?

Players talk all the time about this and that, I don't condone it, but some people need to talk to be seen or use it for motivation. Whatever the reason, they feel they need to do it.

But it is far and few between that come back post game and openly say they were defeated. That shows that the guy at least has enough fortitude to admit he got handled. That is worthy of props in my book, regardless of the color of jersey they wear.

IMO, that is part of what is wrong in sports and amongst fans, there is a degraded since of sportsmanship in today's game.. and that I detest. That is one of the biggest issues I take with Billy the Cheat.. guy is one of the biggest cases of poor sportsmanship in the game, period.

It is a fine line between celebrating a huge win and rubbing it the opponents face, and sometimes it is based on the perspective of the individual person.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#15 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:46:36 PM(UTC)
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I'm going to defend our Purple friend here. A man can trash talk all he wants. But when he loses and loses gracefully, hats off. It appears he's giving props to Cliffy and our team blocking efforts.

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[Packers offensive tackle Chad] Clifton is a good player. He was in the Pro Bowl for a reason, and he's athletic, but I don't think there was too much holding. There was a lot of chips, a lot of double-teams, a lot of people cutting me from different angles, and I took a pretty big thigh bruise on that goal-line play


That sounds like a man who is owning up to all he said. I have a lot of respect for Allen to be able to say this. Note that he's not making excuses, but giving credit to those who beat him.
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Offline stevegb  
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:55:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
As I said in the other thread:

If you ask me, trash talking should be left up to the fans to engage in. Players should conduct themselves with the maturity and professionalism that their media exposure and incredible salary commands.


Saying that just makes it so boring though. I like having players come out and have a go and sound cocky once and a while coz it makes it a little more interesting.

And you should show some respect to a player who after trash talking admits he got beat instead of finding an excuse. but it doesn't mean you have to like him. And I know if vikes did win he would just say "see i told ya so" but bragging rights are also another benefit of winning so ya just gotta take it.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:34:36 PM(UTC)
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Trash talking is all fun and games and is an institution from youth football to the pros, It's just part of the game. Some coaches let it go on and some coaches won't allow it.
I f a player runs his mouth but then owns up to the fact that he got his ass handed to him, I respect that.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:50:06 PM(UTC)
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I'll say this:

I hate Jared Allen. The two reasons for this are-he wears purple, and he disrespected our players pre-game.

But, I gotta give him props for two things. He made this rivalry more than the big brother(us) picking on his little brother's(Bears) skinny friends(Vikes). He got the blood boiling, he threatened our NFCN supremacy.

And the other, he manned up, admitted he got flat out beat. The post game exchange between him and ARodge looked to me like a respectful "Good game, kid. You definitely won't make our lives easy." kind of thing.

And Nodak, pay no attention to the Trom behind the curtain. He's a cocky, arrogant, most of the time drunken sonofabitch. But he's our cocky, arrogant, most of the time drunken sonofabitch. :D
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#19 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:14:43 PM(UTC)
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no way to all this respect garbage.
you dont respect someone who insinuated paralyzing your starting quarterback.

Trash talk is absolutely fine with me. In fact I welcome it, because like PIB said... you threatened our long long long long running supremacy over this division. and you paid for it.


The thing is, when you talk trash and don't even come close to backing it up, you can't just say you're sorry and move on. you have to endure the verbal celebration and jokes at your expense until you back up said trash talk.

Allen is a dirty redneck who ran his mouth and couldn't back up his talk... a little aww shucks apology doesn't make him a hero. And if you can't handle the abuse, dont talk the junk.


Since he talked trash, it is perfectly and i mean perfectly acceptable to remind Viking fans that they are the Vikings and no matter how many draft picks and dollars they shill out.... they will always belong to us.

doesn't matter who our QB is, the Vikings are the Packers bitch. THANKS JARED ALLEN for making that line possible.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:37:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
no way to all this respect garbage.
you dont respect someone who insinuated paralyzing your starting quarterback.

Trash talk is absolutely fine with me. In fact I welcome it, because like PIB said... you threatened our long long long long running supremacy over this division. and you paid for it.


The thing is, when you talk trash and don't even come close to backing it up, you can't just say you're sorry and move on. you have to endure the verbal celebration and jokes at your expense until you back up said trash talk.

Allen is a dirty redneck who ran his mouth and couldn't back up his talk... a little aww shucks apology doesn't make him a hero. And if you can't handle the abuse, dont talk the junk.


Since he talked trash, it is perfectly and i mean perfectly acceptable to remind Viking fans that they are the Vikings and no matter how many draft picks and dollars they shill out.... they will always belong to us.

doesn't matter who our QB is, the Vikings are the Packers bitch. THANKS JARED ALLEN for making that line possible.


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#21 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:40:27 PM(UTC)
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If I could give you 20 applauds for that post, Packnic, I would.
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#22 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:23:06 PM(UTC)
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It is all in your perspective I guess.. personally I don't care for trash talking... whether it be the Vikings, Lions, Bears or the pope himself..

Stop flappin your gums, strap on the helmet and let your play do the talking for you.

As far as fans rappin the guys nuts.. if that makes you feel better.. knock yourself out.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#23 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:25:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
no way to all this respect garbage.
you dont respect someone who insinuated paralyzing your starting quarterback.

Trash talk is absolutely fine with me. In fact I welcome it, because like PIB said... you threatened our long long long long running supremacy over this division. and you paid for it.


The thing is, when you talk trash and don't even come close to backing it up, you can't just say you're sorry and move on. you have to endure the verbal celebration and jokes at your expense until you back up said trash talk.

Allen is a dirty redneck who ran his mouth and couldn't back up his talk... a little aww shucks apology doesn't make him a hero. And if you can't handle the abuse, dont talk the junk.


Since he talked trash, it is perfectly and i mean perfectly acceptable to remind Viking fans that they are the Vikings and no matter how many draft picks and dollars they shill out.... they will always belong to us.

doesn't matter who our QB is, the Vikings are the Packers bitch. THANKS JARED ALLEN for making that line possible.


Insinuated paralyzing you QB? Seriously? LMAO.

But thank you for providing a more appropriate example of a poor winner. I am a little surprised, usually the fans who can't handle winning with dignity are those who don't win too often. I expected better from Packer fans. Then again, there are a lot of people on this forum who know how to win with class. You could learn a thing or two from them. :)

Since you have talked nothing but trash in pretty much every post I see, I guess I now know what is "perfectly and i mean perfectly acceptable" to do when the Packers lose. Thanks for clearing that up...
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#24 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:46:07 PM(UTC)
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Vikings play tough before, during, and after the game. I think the way they played us will serve us very well when game planning for the Bears down the road because both have good running games at the moment and the quarterbacks are stepping up especially Orton. I saw some inconsistencies in the passing game from Jackson but I think he will improve with that throughout the season. I think we are spoiled by this rivalry. I really do. Allen is a great player and these are the comments you look to hear from rivals after games. Good players setting up the battle before hand with some spirited language and then giving props afterwards admitting defeat.
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#25 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:48:02 PM(UTC)
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AFAIK, Allen never said anything about paralyzing Aaron Rodgers . Please show me where he said it. I'm now curious. Maybe I missed something.

Before a game of b-ball, my friends and I trash talk for days. Days. After the game, all you have to do is smile when you won because you know and they know what they said.

You should have seen Mohamed Ali (might be before a lot of your times). Used to trash talk like crazy, get all worked up trash talking. People thought the kid was crazy. His eyes would go all over the place when he trashed talked. Made people nervous. Nowadays, everyone seems to love the guy.

Football isn't soccer. It's a man's game. I love trash talking.
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