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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:04:12 AM(UTC)
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[img_r]http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/news/sep08/sgreg0912.jpg[/img_r]Green Bay - At some point soon the Green Bay Packers will start making value judgments on the horde of players headed for free agency after the 2009 season.

Greg Jennings likely will not sign a new deal during this season. Instead he'll look to haul in a big contract after the 2009 campaign when he'll be an unrestricted free agent.

When they do, there probably will be a flurry of contract extensions for the players whom general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy select to be part of the teams core.

Theres a lot of young guys that play right now, guard Daryn Colledge said Friday. We hope they take care of all of us but thats not the reality of the situation. We know the numbers arent in our favor.

The Packers are $20.485 million beneath their adjusted salary cap of $126.160 million, giving them the third-most room in the National Football League.

Their only pressing decision between now and the start of free agency in March involves tackle Mark Tauscher, the only starter among just three players with expiring contracts this year.

Then the Packers will have nine starters and four other key contributors set to become unrestricted free agents in March 2010.

Wide receiver Greg Jennings could break the bank. So might defensive end Aaron Kampman and quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Tackle Chad Clifton might still be playing well, too.

Both starting defensive tackles, Johnny Jolly facing a possible league suspension over felony drug possession charges and Ryan Pickett, will be up then. So will the three young swing men from the offensive line: Jason Spitz, Tony Moll and Colledge.

The Packers will have to decide the futures of safety Nick Collins and defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila. Cornerback Will Blackmon and linebacker Brandon Chillar are on the list as well.

I saw the amount of guys coming up the year Im up, Pickett said. Im, like, Whoa. Theres going to be a lot of them getting paid. But theres plenty of money in this organization to work those things out.

Thompson wont discuss specifics of contract negotiations. What he has said is the Packers would prefer to spend money re-signing their own.

If you can keep it within your locker room it usually works out good, said linebacker Nick Barnett, who signed a six-year, $34.98 million deal in April 2007. He (Thompson) has been doing a good job managing it. Bringing in players, though not overpaying players that are not producing.

Barnett expects management to re-sign several players in the next few months. Teams have until Dec. 27 to use 2008 cap dollars.

Anybody that has a great stellar year is going to get paid, Barnett said. Because they dont want to put too much in (next) year. For them, the necessities are up front, the D-tackles.

Pickett, I could see them maybe doing something. Jolly will have a hard time because of the trouble hes in right now.

I could see them getting Rodgers done at the end of the season if he plays great. Jennings wont do his deal now. His worth could be a lot more.

Jennings offered this cryptic remark: Some of us already probably have been approached.

The third-year player wouldnt rule out signing an extension in 2008 but indicated that he preferred to wait, gambling on his performance against risk of injury.

In retrospect, youre not really playing for just this team, Jennings said. Youre also playing for the other 31 teams, making sure everybody sees you out there. Its not just the Green Bay Packers in the NFL. Theres 31 other teams.

Hanging over every player and front office in the NFL is the possibility of labor strife. If the two sides dont agree to extend the collective bargaining agreement, 2010 would become an uncapped year and major changes would occur to the free-agent system that has been in place since 1993.

Without an extended agreement, the requirement for unrestricted free agency would jump from four to six years. In that event, players with four and five years would become restricted rather than unrestricted free agents in March 2010.

In other words, if Jennings (four years) and Rodgers (five years) havent signed new deals by 2010, the Packers easily could hold them by issuing one of the two highest restricted tenders.

I dont know how many players are really aware of it, said an executive in finance for an NFL team. Jennings would be a perfect example. Hes thinking, Man, I want to be a UFA and hit the market. But theres going to be a ton of guys getting a $2.5 million RFA tag that wont hit the market at all.

Then the players might go to a lockout. Who knows? If the thing gets shut down, all of a sudden someones played five years in the league and he really hasnt gotten a payday. Thats where the players have incentives to do deals early.

Regarded as one of the have teams monetarily in the NFL, the Packers also have managed their cap wisely over the years.

Adhering to a pay as you go philosophy, the Packers have used favorable cap situations to front-load numerous contracts. Of the 15 players atop their payroll with a contract beyond 2008, six actually have cap salaries that will decrease next year.

Although final calculations are unavailable, the Packers have about $5.8 million in so-called dead money counting against their cap. Probably two-thirds of the teams have more than Green Bay.

Bubba Franks leads the dead money contingent at $2 million, followed by Brett Favre ($1.4 million), Marquand Manuel ($900,000) and Robert Ferguson ($700,000). None of the other departed counts more than $205,000.

Theres little doubt that the Packers will reach late December with considerable cap space. Using dummy incentives and other ploys, the Packers and just about all teams except Cincinnati and Arizona routinely roll over excess cap room to the next year.

Green Bay was able to carry over $9.43 million from 07 to 08, the eighth-highest total in the NFL.

In 09, the salary cap is to increase by no less than $7 million per team.

The majority of guys, if youre here you want to stay here, cornerback Al Harris said. I have a lot of respect for Ted as a businessman. I think hell sign the right people. I dont know what his strategy is but he has a good formula.
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Offline tromadz  
#2 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:05:33 AM(UTC)
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I'm not worried about the end of the 2009 season. Ted Thompson will do what he does, and that's re-sign players he think can help the team.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:16:36 AM(UTC)
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Greg is priority number 1! LOL

I just hope we get the guys who are so vital to this team back and under satisfying contract.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:03:00 AM(UTC)
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I dont like those comments about Jennings. Makes it sound like he is already out of here.

Sign him Teddy!
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Offline longtimefan  
#5 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:31:21 AM(UTC)
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I dont like those comments about Jennings. Makes it sound like he is already out of here.

Sign him Teddy!


I think Greg was saying HE was all ready contacted by Ted Thompson

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Offline Jacob  
#6 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:17:48 PM(UTC)
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I dont like those comments about Jennings. Makes it sound like he is already out of here.

Sign him Teddy!


I think Greg was saying HE was all ready contacted by Ted Thompson

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Jennings offered this cryptic remark: Some of us already probably have been approached.


Yeah, me too, if he admits to being approached by someone else i think the pack can file tampering
Offline tromadz  
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:19:48 PM(UTC)
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I dont like those comments about Jennings. Makes it sound like he is already out of here.

Sign him Teddy!


I think Greg was saying HE was all ready contacted by Ted Thompson

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Jennings offered this cryptic remark: Some of us already probably have been approached.


Yeah, me too, if he admits to being approached by someone else i think the pack can file tampering


Vikings did it.
Offline Greg C.  
#8 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:30:29 PM(UTC)
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Jennings sounds like he is already looking for leverage, as he mentioned that he needs to impress all 32 teams. I don't think he will pull a Javon on us, but it sure would be nice to lock him up for awhile, sooner rather than later.

I was surprised by how much Nick Barnett was willing to speculate about others' situations. He didn't say anything out of line, but usually players don't want to go there at all.
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Offline earthquake  
#9 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:20:37 PM(UTC)
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I think Jennings is just being realistic, he's a smart guy and knows how the nfl works. I see him as a pretty huge priority as well, he's emerging as a #1 receiver and i think he'll turn into Rodger's go to guy. And thats not saying anything bad about driver, he looks just as good as ever, having 2 #1 WR's is a problem most teams would love to have, i think the organization realizes Greg's potential to be a very good player for a very long time for the green bay packers, and they will get something done.
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Offline SINCITYCHEEZE  
#10 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:42:07 PM(UTC)
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I think Jennings is just being realistic, he's a smart guy and knows how the nfl works. I see him as a pretty huge priority as well, he's emerging as a #1 receiver and i think he'll turn into Rodger's go to guy. And thats not saying anything bad about driver, he looks just as good as ever, having 2 #1 WR's is a problem most teams would love to have, i think the organization realizes Greg's potential to be a very good player for a very long time for the green bay packers, and they will get something done.

We need to look to the future.TT knows he needs to get these contracts done in a timely manner.Just to keep things realistic,Jennings will soon be considered our #1 reciever.Driver is closer to the end of his time with the Packers than the begining.
I'm not saying he is done by any means,I'm saying we must prepare for that day in order to have no drop off in production from our recieving corps.
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Offline earthquake  
#11 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:49:00 PM(UTC)
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Agreed.
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Offline bozz_2006  
#12 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:59:43 PM(UTC)
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I can almost guarantee that you'll see some extensions get taken care of before the end of this season, so that the 2008 cap can be utilized in the contracts.
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Offline TeamGB  
#13 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:06:05 PM(UTC)
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Lots of young guys and plenty of room in the Cap... not a problem in my eyes... Plenty of money to sign the guys we want and need to keep hold of and bring in anyone who may stand out.

Again, another favourible position to be in for the team, and its up to the players this year to prove they are worth the big $$$!
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#14 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:15:03 PM(UTC)
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I'm pretty sure KGB won't be here so that'll free up a few million too.
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Offline mkapp  
#15 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:50:40 PM(UTC)
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I got the feeling that Ted Thompson had already talked to Greg too, but the comment about playing for the other teams has me concerned. Mainly cuz I just bought a Jennings jersey...hope he stays put.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:00:52 PM(UTC)
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I don't like those quotes from Greg Jennings. That got me a little worried. You never want a guy saying that he is auditoning for 32 teams, not just the Packers.
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Offline Packers_Finland  
#17 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:17:03 PM(UTC)
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Give Greg the biggest deal possible. Then clone him into 25 productive units.
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Offline Greg C.  
#18 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:35:48 PM(UTC)
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Of the players mentioned in the article whose contracts will expire within the next two years, the only two that I would count as must-haves are Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings. We'll see about Clifton and Tauscher. I hope they remain healthy and productive, but at their age, Thompson may not want to break the bank for them. Pickett, Jolly, and Blackmon would be nice to keep if they stay healthy.

Players mentioned in the article who I regard as fairly easy to replace are Colledge, Moll, Spitz, Collins, and obviously Chillar. And KGB may be at the end of the line by then.

So if you look at it this way, the "numbers crunch" may not be too bad.
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Offline Packnic  
#19 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:36:57 PM(UTC)
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I don't like those quotes from Greg Jennings. That got me a little worried. You never want a guy saying that he is auditoning for 32 teams, not just the Packers.



well as much as i would love for Greg Jennings to say... I love the Packers and I will never leave as long as they will have me. it is after all, a business and i think the "other 31 teams" quote was something the staff was preaching in camp if i remember correctly. Its just a fact, everytime you step on the field you are either increasing your pay day or ruining it. So come 2009 when the Packers want to sign you but dont have the funds, you can get signed by another team. The NFL is a business at its core, and money will always come first.


this will be interesting because there is a lot of dudes fighting for a set amount of money. but thats the beauty of the draft young and resign your guys philosophy. This is where Ted Thompson and his staff make their money. With smart drafting and sensible contract negotiations, this team will be good for years to come.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:37:48 PM(UTC)
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Of the players mentioned in the article whose contracts will expire within the next two years, the only two that I would count as must-haves are Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings. We'll see about Clifton and Tauscher. I hope they remain healthy and productive, but at their age, Thompson may not want to break the bank for them. Pickett, Jolly, and Blackmon would be nice to keep if they stay healthy.

Players mentioned in the article who I regard as fairly easy to replace are Colledge, Moll, Spitz, Collins, and obviously Chillar. And KGB may be at the end of the line by then.

So if you look at it this way, the "numbers crunch" may not be too bad.


I don't think Spitz is in any way easy to replace. I believe in Harvey... Jason Spitz.
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#21 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:45:03 PM(UTC)
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Of the players mentioned in the article whose contracts will expire within the next two years, the only two that I would count as must-haves are Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings. We'll see about Clifton and Tauscher. I hope they remain healthy and productive, but at their age, Thompson may not want to break the bank for them. Pickett, Jolly, and Blackmon would be nice to keep if they stay healthy.

Players mentioned in the article who I regard as fairly easy to replace are Colledge, Moll, Spitz, Collins, and obviously Chillar. And KGB may be at the end of the line by then.

So if you look at it this way, the "numbers crunch" may not be too bad.




I don't think Spitz is in any way easy to replace. I believe in Harvey... Jason Spitz.



yeah i would agree... Spitz is probably the 3rd best lineman we have right now. his versatility will ensure his roster spot for years.

but colledge, moll and Chillar.... haven't proven themselves to be irreplacable.
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Offline Greg C.  
#22 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:48:10 PM(UTC)
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I don't think Spitz is in any way easy to replace. I believe in Harvey... Jason Spitz.


Spitz is definitely a notch above Moll and Colledge. But ideally, in 2010 we will still have Wells at center with Sitton and Barbre ready to play the guard positions (Sitton was already starting before his injury). If that's the case, Spitz would not be a high priority, high-dollar signing. Also, Thompson will have two more drafts to work with in that time span, so there will be other players in the mix as well.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:54:36 PM(UTC)
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I don't think Spitz is in any way easy to replace. I believe in Harvey... Jason Spitz.



yeah i would agree... Spitz is probably the 3rd best lineman we have right now. his versatility will ensure his roster spot for years.

but colledge, moll and Chillar.... haven't proven themselves to be irreplacable.


I would say that Spitz is our fourth best O-lineman, after Clifton, Tauscher, and Wells. And I think the coaching staff would say the same. And by the time you get down to your fourth best offensive lineman, you are usually not talking about someone who is irreplaceable. Not unless you have a really great O-line, and even then, there is only so much room under the salary cap.

Also, Thompson has a history of letting veteran interior O-linemen go: Wahle, Rivera, and Flanagan. That's a part of the team where apparently he would rather not invest large amounts of money.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:29:25 PM(UTC)
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Now....if Jennings keeps playing like he has so far, the Packer brass HAS to keep him here. He has developed into a big time #1 WR. I think he has replaced DD in that position. And i LOVE DD. Ted Thompson will get it done. If GJ is WILLING to sign this year to a long contract, it will get done.
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#25 Posted : Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:45:25 PM(UTC)
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Of the players mentioned in the article whose contracts will expire within the next two years, the only two that I would count as must-haves are Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings. We'll see about Clifton and Tauscher. I hope they remain healthy and productive, but at their age, Thompson may not want to break the bank for them. Pickett, Jolly, and Blackmon would be nice to keep if they stay healthy.

Players mentioned in the article who I regard as fairly easy to replace are Colledge, Moll, Spitz, Collins, and obviously Chillar. And KGB may be at the end of the line by then.

So if you look at it this way, the "numbers crunch" may not be too bad.


I agree for the most part although I don't think GB would have to break the bank for guys like Colledge and Spitz. I also think you need to add Aaron Kampman to the must haves as well.

As far as people worrying about Jennings. GB will slap the franchise tag on him before he's allowed to test the market assuming we have a cap then. I would be really disappointed if he got away.

If Rodgers plays well then he's a lock to resign here in my opinion.
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