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Offline Mazloum  
#1 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 2:35:53 AM(UTC)
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http://sports.espn.go.co...on/polling?event_id=3581

ESPN is asking NFL fans to vote on the single greatest player in their history. Above is the link to the Packers choices.

My last full night in Calgary before I fly back home to St. Petersburg. Although its not too late, I am very tired. I havent even voted myself, because I'd like to sleep on it.

Though I will say that at the moment I am torn between Favre and White. Blame my age if you must. Ill try to be more objective after I get some much needed sleep.

My question to you of course would be to ask whom you would choose from that list, but also, are there any players not listed whom deserves a mention?

Here is the list of choices they provide.

Willie Davis, DE (1961-69):
Holds the Packers' team record for most fumbles recovered with 21.

Brett Favre, QB (1992-2007):
Favre is the only three-time AP MVP in NFL history and holds seven NFL records.

Paul Hornung, RB (1957-66):
The No. 1 pick led the league in scoring for three straight seasons.

Don Hutson, WR (1935-45):
Packers all-time leading touchdown receptions leader with 99.

Ray Nitschke, LB (1958-72):
Anchored a disciplined defense that helped win five NFL titles and two Super Bowls.

Bart Starr, QB (1956-71):
Second behind Favre in franchise passing yards, touchdowns and completions.

Jim Taylor, FB (1958-66):
Franchise best career rushing yards, touchdowns and single-season touchdowns.

Reggie White, DE (1993-98):
Notched 68.5 sacks to become the Packers' all-time leader.

Willie Wood, DB (1960-71):
Finished career second in franchise history with 48 interceptions.

Herb Adderley, CB (1961-69):
Packers record-holder for most interceptions for touchdowns in a career with seven.

Ill try to give a better opinion tomorrow. Need sleep badly.

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Offline longtimefan  
#2 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 2:53:17 AM(UTC)
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I think its hard for people 40 years old or younger, to really give a vote on anyone other then Brett and Reggie

I NEVER seen any of those others play, I know about them and what they have done...

But can people give an opinion on who is better if they didnt see that person play?
Offline Mazloum  
#3 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 3:07:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I think its hard for people 40 years old or younger, to really give a vote on anyone other then Brett and Reggie

I NEVER seen any of those others play, I know about them and what they have done...

But can people give an opinion on who is better if they didnt see that person play?


I agree to an extent, although even without being alive to have seen them play, you can still know enough about someone to understand what they meant to us and the game.

If your grandfather or grand mother talked to you constantly about their "favorite player", even without seeing them play, they would probably hold a special place in your heart as well.

I did hope to get answers from the "older" or "experienced" crowd though. Theirs are the answers that tend to go outside the box and so will probably be the most fun to read.

Also to PackOne, great call on Lofton.
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Offline mi_keys  
#4 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 4:32:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I think its hard for people 40 years old or younger, to really give a vote on anyone other then Brett and Reggie

I NEVER seen any of those others play, I know about them and what they have done...

But can people give an opinion on who is better if they didnt see that person play?


Yes and no. It certainly makes it harder to compare if you only saw one play on a regular basis. But then again you can see highlights and read/hear a lot about a player. For instance, I'm 19 but I voted for Don Hutson. I've seen some highlights, and I know he played both defensive back and wide receiver for us and was good at both. I also know he had 99 receiving touchdowns and led the league in scoring 8 times. If you compare that to the next best receiver in his era, he only had 33. And the second most anyone has ever led the league in scoring is 3 seasons. I don't think you can find another player in football, maybe any sport, that dominated his era as much as the Alabama Antelope did. He was also on 3 championship teams ('36, '39, '44). That, IMO, gives me enough to make an argument that he's the greatest Packer ever.
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Offline yooperfan  
#5 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 6:30:38 AM(UTC)
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I saw all of these guys play with the excepyion of Don Hutson.
There is no question that Hutson was a great player who changed the game of football as it was known at that time and is certainly hard not to vote for.
It would be easy to give it to an offensive player, but my choice is Ray Nitschke who was the toughest SOB who ever wore a Packers uniform.
In my opinion he was the best MLB in NFL history.
Offline IronMan  
#6 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 6:47:38 AM(UTC)
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Offline DGB454  
#7 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 7:34:05 AM(UTC)
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Offline Cheesey  
#8 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 8:01:50 AM(UTC)
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For me.......Nitschke was always my favorite. Favre would be second for me. From there on, it would be hard not to put all the rest of them 3rd.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 8:17:38 AM(UTC)
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Don Hutson followed closely by Brett Favre
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Offline DGB454  
#10 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 8:19:50 AM(UTC)
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Starr followed by Nitschke then Favre for me.
Offline McPack  
#11 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 10:33:18 AM(UTC)
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Despite all that's happened, I gotta go with Favre. Just look at the past 16 years, then look at the 20 years before he got there.
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Offline 4PackGirl  
#12 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 10:35:45 AM(UTC)
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nitschke - the best - ever!!
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Offline CalifPacker  
#13 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 11:17:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
nitschke - the best - ever!!


Hey 4PackGirl!

I have Don Hutson followed by Ray Nitschke.

Both were big time game changers.
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Offline walleye  
#14 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 11:39:34 AM(UTC)
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Nitschke,Starr and then Favre for me
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Offline zombieslayer  
#15 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 8:53:52 PM(UTC)
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I will probably ceremoniously vote for Reggie.

They are all great players, so it makes it kind of trivial

I know we are talking history and long term here, but I think you can't leave a SuperBowl MVP off of it either.

How about Lofton too?


Yeah, I noticed that. What's up with that? No James?
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Offline zombieslayer  
#16 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 9:01:35 PM(UTC)
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I'm refraining from voting. It's too close a call.

Me personally - tough call between Don Hutson, who changed the game of football forever, Bart Starr, who was simply the right man for Lombardi's O, Ray Nitschke, who led a dominating Lombardi D, and Brett Favre. I'd say Brett Favre but it's really not fair because I haven't seen the others I mentioned (except on videotape).

I really hate to not say Reggie White, but he didn't have the years with us that the others did. Best DE ever, and arguably one of the best or perhaps even the best defensive player ever. That's open for debate. But if they didn't have James Lofton, then they can't have Reggie. If they put Lofton, then I'll include White.

If they say best single player who ever played on a Packer team, I'd say Reggie White or Brett Favre of the ones I've seen.
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Offline WhiskeySam  
#17 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2008 11:40:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Don Hutson followed closely by Brett Favre


That was my snap reaction, too, but the more I think about it the closer to Favre I put Hornung.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:14:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Don Hutson followed closely by Brett Favre


That was my snap reaction, too, but the more I think about it the closer to Favre I put Hornung.


You know what's funny is Cheesey and I had a discussion a while back on the other forum about age. I told Cheesey he's blessed to be a decade older than me. He got to see people like Horning, Nitschke, Starr, etc. The first Packer great I got to see was James Lofton, who played on some really bad teams.
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Offline Mazloum  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:51:35 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for all the replies folks.

Sorry I havent made it back to post, flying back home, Hoorah for a 1 hour layover in Phoenix becomming a 4 hour layover... a little over an hour and im on my flight home!

Going back to the topic though, I gave my vote to White because of who he was off the field, and because I watched him play. Was close for me between him and Favre. I only feel this way because I grew with them as my packers, and thus theres attachment.

Of the players I never got the chance to see, I would rank Hutson at the top, because my good friend is a diehard 49'ers fan and never stops talking aout Jerry Rice, and so to tick him off, I would constantly remind him that Hutson came first and is the model for current standards. Not that Im comparing them, but its always fun needling a friend. :lol:
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Offline Cheesey  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:22:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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Don Hutson followed closely by Brett Favre


That was my snap reaction, too, but the more I think about it the closer to Favre I put Hornung.


You know what's funny is Cheesey and I had a discussion a while back on the other forum about age. I told Cheesey he's blessed to be a decade older than me. He got to see people like Horning, Nitschke, Starr, etc. The first Packer great I got to see was James Lofton, who played on some really bad teams.

I do feel blessed.......getting to see those guys play was very special. Nitschke was a monster on the field, but great to his fans off the field. I got to sit and talk with him, i believe it was arounf 1989-90. He was so nice, it would have been hard NOT to like him. He let me try on his Super Bowl one ring, and was just a blast to be able to talk Packers with him. I only wish i would have been smart enough to have a camera with me.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:47:32 PM(UTC)
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I do feel blessed.......getting to see those guys play was very special. Nitschke was a monster on the field, but great to his fans off the field. I got to sit and talk with him, i believe it was arounf 1989-90. He was so nice, it would have been hard NOT to like him. He let me try on his Super Bowl one ring, and was just a blast to be able to talk Packers with him. I only wish i would have been smart enough to have a camera with me.


Oh, that would have been something. I was really bummed when he died. Nitschke lived the Packers. I regret not subscribing to the Packers Report instead of Pro Football Weekly now. PFW, I threw out. I would have kept my old Packers Reports.
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#22 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 2:00:26 PM(UTC)
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We were blessed to have 2 of the GREATEST football players EVER to play in the NFL play for the Packers.

First and foremost, Reggie White. He literally defined what a football player is supposed to be like... He embodied the Famous phrase, "God, Family, and the Green Bay Packers"-Vince Lombardi

When he sacked Drew Bledsoe 3 straight plays in the 96 SUPERBOWL, that defined the football player that Reggie White was.

Don Hutson had to be the other Greatest player ever! He completely changed how the NFL played football. He took the LEAGUE from 3 yards and a cloud of dust to an aerial game it is today...
Kind of like Wilt Chamberlain did with the NBA only many years later.
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Offline johnny_blood  
#23 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 2:26:49 PM(UTC)
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When he sacked Drew Bledsoe 3 straight plays in the 96 SUPERBOWL, that defined the football player that Reggie White was.


Reggie had three sacks but not on consecutive plays. You might be thinking of his first season with the Packers when he sacked Elway on consecutive plays at the end to preserve a 3 point lead. He dominated the end of that game.
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#24 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 3:05:43 PM(UTC)
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Don Hutson changed the game.. not many players come along and redefine the way coaches use concepts and schemes, albeit he might not be as much as an impact player in today's game.. during his era he was "that" player.

Why wasn't Tony Canadeo, the "Gray Ghost of Gonzaga", on that list? Can it really be a list of all time Packer greats without his name among them?

Never seen either of them play, of course, but Gramps used to talk about the Gray Ghost every time we talked about greats in Packer lore.. swore he was one of the best player he ever saw.. direct quote.. "Paul Hornung wasn't peanuts compared to the ghost."
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#25 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 3:49:04 PM(UTC)
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My vote goes for Curly Lambeau,if it wasn't for him none of us would have a team to root for.
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