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Offline Greg C.  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 9:17:03 AM(UTC)
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So what did everyone think? This is the team we are going to be facing twice this year and competing with for the division crown.

I thought Favre played a solid game overall. The Vikings did not try to throw the ball downfield a whole lot, so it remains to be seen how accurate Favre is on the longer throws. He threw a good one for Harvin in the end zone that went off his fingertips, but Harvin was held a bit by the DB on the play and should've laid out for the ball anyway.

On another occasion, Favre threw one up for grabs into double coverage and was praised by Ron Jaworski for "giving his guy a chance to make a play," but then, we've come to expect that kind of thing from the TV announcers when Favre plays.

I thought Favre was best on the short passes--the little flares and dump-offs. With the kind of talent the Vikings have, these plays should be effective for them. Favre was able to make the Texans pay for some blitzes, especially on the TD to Chester Taylor.

I think he is going to get blitzed a lot this season. He is not as mobile as he used to be, and on those two sacks, he crumpled to the ground without hardly being touched. He can still make a nifty move to avoid contact at times, though. If Favre can stay healthy, he should be effective working with this Vikings offense.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 9:34:12 AM(UTC)
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If Brett is rushed and forced out of the pocket, he will not be an issue. If you give him time in the pocket, he will eat you alive.

What I seen from Brett last night, does not worry me. He had some nice plays, but when asked to do more than 5 - 7 yard dump offs, he was not on target. The corner throw for Harvin is an example. From the two replays I've seen of it, it could have been placed better. Considering he's only been back for two weeks, it was not that bad. If he had been there all of camp and missed that, that would be bad.

Show Favre different looks, pressure him and he won't be an issue. The more I see him play, the more I do not fear him. Which makes me wish he had stayed retired the first time. It's tough watching someone you looked up to in such a frail state from what you're used to seeing.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 9:58:02 AM(UTC)
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Wasn't really impressed, he missed a lot when getting pressure, had a couple nice passes to TE and WR short across the middle. Did throw a nice pass that Percy short armed and missed. But he did have the normal 2 or 3 balls that could have been INTs.

The only thing that make his stats look good is the run after the catch on the screen by Taylor, and that has far more to do with Taylor that Brett.

As expected, stop the run stop the vikes. Their pass defense did not look to good, Brett was getting pressured, and dumped a couple times.
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Offline dyeah_gb  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:05:02 AM(UTC)
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Did anyone see that wildcat play?

Favre looks weird enough in a vikings uniform but to see him lineup as a WR was even more strange. Then he gets hit for a blocking penalty. I thought it was insane to make a block at the defense knees like that. Plays like that can lead to late hits on the QB later in the game.
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:28:26 AM(UTC)
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Eh. I mean maybe that offense will click later on during the season, but I was less than impressed. Peterson is still a monster, and Taylor is a good backup RB, but I didn't see anything to fear at all. They look like the same old Vikings. Decent but unimpressive.
Plus this was against Houston's D, who after Ryans, seem to have one decent player (M. Williams) and a bunch of space holders.
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Offline dhazer  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:30:45 AM(UTC)
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you guys will just call me a Favre fister but i thought he played good for the time he has been in camp. The part that scares me is that he is playing into their system of ball control. Remember people on here say that he won't play into their style and he did that last night.
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Offline longtimefan  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:34:01 AM(UTC)
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http://www.nfl.com/video...c/Brett-Favre-highlights


Got the missed td pass that Zero thought was thrown bad (i think was a great throw) the chop block, 2 sacks on him, and a few passes
Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:35:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
you guys will just call me a Favre fister but i thought he played good for the time he has been in camp. The part that scares me is that he is playing into their system of ball control. Remember people on here say that he won't play into their style and he did that last night.


If he keeps that up, they will be good. Last night, Peterson gave them a quick 7-0 lead. It is a little easier to play like that when in the lead. My question is what is going to happen when MN gets behind. Will Brett continue to play in the game plan, or try to take things over.

The key is still stopping Peterson and Taylor. Hate to say it, but Make Brett beat us.

One note for the coaching staff. WATCH OUT FOR THE SCREEN ON 3RD AND LONG
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Offline Trippster  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:40:55 AM(UTC)
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I thought he played well and under control. He moved well in the pocket except when williams sacked him. nice dump offs, which they will do alot this year as they have the threat of Favre throwing it 15 yards on a rope so it keeps the corners and LB's honest and they can't cheat to get to the back coming out of hte backfield.

That bewing said, I don't think they can hang with us for a full game. their offense is not near as prolific as ours and their D did not look that great to me.

Favre did what Favre needed to. He made audibles at the line, accurate passes except for one or two (I think he was 11 for 15) plus there were two balls that I though should have been caught. Bad pass to the flat on one and the throw that Jaws talked about could have been thrown better.

I give him a 'B"
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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:50:56 AM(UTC)
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Favre's passes had some zip, though their accuracy was questionable, and he showed no desire to pass downfield. Whether the opportunity to play with Peterson has transformed him into a dink-and-dunk passer remains to be seen, but I suspect he'll get bored with that role soon enough. Favre looked like he was wearing concrete shoes back there; he spent almost as much time on his back as on his feet. For all the talk of the Vikings' great offensive line, they looked terrible last night.

Incidentally, I think we are going to see a shitload of roughing-the-passer penalties when Favre is in the game this year. The refs called one flagrantly wrong RTP last night. No referee is going to want to be the guy on whose watch the most popular QB in NFL history went down with injury, so they're going to be extra trigger happy. It will be an interesting dynamic to watch.
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Offline DakotaT  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:51:52 AM(UTC)
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you guys will just call me a Favre fister


Can you imagine what we call you in our minds but never write? :thumbleft:

All I saw was replays, but he looked adequate but a lot slower than I remember. He is still an improvement over what they had at quarterback.
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:53:14 AM(UTC)
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Great, now I'm going to have nightmares about dhazer fisting Favre.
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Offline TwinkieGorilla  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 11:31:34 AM(UTC)
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i thought the whole damn game was pretty "meh".
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I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

Offline ILikeThePackers39  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 11:46:00 AM(UTC)
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I thought he looked good, and their offense looked better than it has - I was shocked that Chilly actually threw a couple Wildcat looks in there - must have picked them up from some other coach.

But.

1. He is not mobile at this point. At all. Much less so than when he played in Green Bay. He looks like Kosar out there at this point.

2. He went down like a rag doll if an opposing player so much as tapped him. I really hope that's an attempt not to get hurt, though his low shot on that safety would suggest he's not too worried about that. All I know is that he never went down that easy w/ the Pack (Strahan's record aside).

3. He took some pretty wicked shots - they need to work on protecting him, because it's pretty clear that opposing defenses are looking to be the guys who put him on the shelf. Max protect, whatever it takes - he's going to get beat all to hell out there.

I think he'll improve once he rounds into some sort of shape, but this is clearly a different Favre - that's not necessarily a bad thing for the Vikes, though, assuming he recognizes his limits and plays within them.

Overall, I think he looked good. Didn't scare me, though - that's what Peterson is for (criminy, he's just a beast).
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Offline Pack93z  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:06:58 PM(UTC)
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3. He took some pretty wicked shots - they need to work on protecting him, because it's pretty clear that opposing defenses are looking to be the guys who put him on the shelf. Max protect, whatever it takes - he's going to get beat all to hell out there. .


This is the single biggest concern I have for Brett's health.. his legs aren't under him yet (imagine that, skipping camp and all) and they are going to have protection break downs.

I hate to say it, but I think his "ironman" streak ends this season.. either that or the Vikings as a team will suffer for it..

On a side note.. Minnesota papers are saying TJ is the odd man out at QB for the Vikes.. "schism" or not.. the Vikes are punting on the subject. ;)
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Offline ILikeThePackers39  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:10:48 PM(UTC)
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3. He took some pretty wicked shots - they need to work on protecting him, because it's pretty clear that opposing defenses are looking to be the guys who put him on the shelf. Max protect, whatever it takes - he's going to get beat all to hell out there. .


This is the single biggest concern I have for Brett's health.. his legs aren't under him yet (imagine that, skipping camp and all) and they are going to have protection break downs.

I hate to say it, but I think his "ironman" streak ends this season.. either that or the Vikings as a team will suffer for it..

On a side note.. Minnesota papers are saying TJ is the odd man out at QB for the Vikes.. "schism" or not.. the Vikes are punting on the subject. ;)



Agreed. Part of conditioning is getting your body in shape to handle the day-to-day abuse that comes with playing football. It's not just getting your arm in shape or whatever, it's getting your overall conditioning level up to a point where the bumps and bruises aren't so bad as they'd normally be. He's had NONE of that this year, and that kickass O line isn't keeping him very clean thus far. He could easily end up hurt, and then what do they do? If I'm TJack I'd tell 'em to go spit if they asked me to step in.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:42:57 PM(UTC)
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Did anyone else hear the cut by Chris Carter at halftime about the miss to Harvin in the endzone?

Those high school WR down in Mississippi must be faster than Harvin.

Cracked me up at the time.
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Offline mi_keys  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 1:10:58 PM(UTC)
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Pretty much the same feeling everyone else has, he was good and efficient. Someone mentioned the deep throw that was praised as giving his receiver a chance to make a play and reading the coverage right. Man that pissed me off. Safety help was there and if that ball hangs a split second longer it's picked off and Favre would have been blasted for throwing one up. God I hate announcers. Anyway, I think they're very beatable for us this year.
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Offline Formo  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 1:40:43 PM(UTC)
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Considering this offense has only been together for what? 13 days.. Favre was more than adequate. Should of had that TD to Percy, but like the announcers said.. Percy is a rookie, and he looked it (caught a ball just short of the first down, didn't have the 'go get the ball' mentality on that end zone ball, etc).

I'm not worried about Favre getting better with this offense. I'm more worried about HBs missing their blocks on all out blitzes. The one sack that Favre had, AP made wrong reads and went to the outside to help the T block and left the inside blitzer go untouched. Hopefully he gets that cleared up.

Not every team is going to blitz the Vikings that much during the season, either. So, as far as I'm concerned.. They just need to continue working on their chemistry.
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Offline 4PackGirl  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 2:01:53 PM(UTC)
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this week = better than last week.
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Offline vegOmatic  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 2:17:08 PM(UTC)
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The people "who know what they're doing" say Brett looked good Monday night. Seems I would have to agree with that.

However, it's my observation Favre was fired up, motivated, and sharp. He'll go far if he can stay at that level all season. I think the pundits need to consider Favre getting tired, banged up, and having an attitude when he doesn't want to spend the time watching film and preparing for each game.

I understand now why Favre was peeved we didn't get Randy Moss. They both only play when they feel like it. :p
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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 3:38:08 PM(UTC)
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It remains beyond me why Jackson is the odd man out this preseason. Of all the QBs on that roster, he has easily looked by far the sharpest. The Vikings organization has gotten myopic to the point where they HAVE to win this season or there will be a fan revolt.

At least, I hope for the sake of their own self-respect, Viking fans aren't apathetic about losing as fans of some other teams are.
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Offline ILikeThePackers39  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2009 5:28:01 PM(UTC)
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It remains beyond me why Jackson is the odd man out this preseason. Of all the QBs on that roster, he has easily looked by far the sharpest. The Vikings organization has gotten myopic to the point where they HAVE to win this season or there will be a fan revolt.

At least, I hope for the sake of their own self-respect, Viking fans aren't apathetic about losing as fans of some other teams are.



Agreed. If it's all about putting the best 52 players together, Jackson sure as hell should not be the odd man out. But they sure look like they're just going to chuck him to the curb.

I hope he returns to Minnesota soon with another team and runs them out of their shitty stadium.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#24 Posted : Sunday, September 20, 2009 3:52:45 AM(UTC)
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2. He went down like a rag doll if an opposing player so much as tapped him. I really hope that's an attempt not to get hurt, though his low shot on that safety would suggest he's not too worried about that. All I know is that he never went down that easy w/ the Pack (Strahan's record aside).


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Offline Cheesey  
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:11:36 PM(UTC)
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The Vikings organization has gotten myopic to the point where they HAVE to win this season or there will be a fan revolt.
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And as we all know......Vikings fans are REVOLTING enough already!!! :thumbright: LOLOL!!!
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