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Just thought of something. And I will be called a Vikings apologist but I don't care. I am the furthest thing from that.
What would you say if a Bears fan said , "The Packers were lucky. If it wasn't for a blown coverage on Jennings we would have won the opener."
That would be pretty weak wouldn't it?
The bottom line is every play counts. I don't do the excuse game, that includes blaming the officials. The officials make bad calls on both sides.
Anyway, that's my rant. I just hate it when fellow Packers fans play the excuse game, when they would rip Vikings fans for doing the exact same thing. Practice what you preach.
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Missed FG's by other teams that would beat you, i'd say that was lucky.
But fact is, sometimes the bounces go your way, sometimes they don't. The Vikings had a streak of "lucky" bounces. Just like we did a couple years ago when every muffed punt or whatever seemed to go our way.
I'm honest enough to say we got lucky that year, MANY times.
It will probably even out in the end.
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Originally Posted by: "  Just thought of something. And I will be called a Vikings apologist but I don't care. I am the furthest thing from that.
What would you say if a Bears fan said , "The Packers were lucky. If it wasn't for a blown coverage on Jennings we would have won the opener."
That would be pretty weak wouldn't it?
The bottom line is every play counts. I don't do the excuse game, that includes blaming the officials. The officials make bad calls on both sides.
Anyway, that's my rant. I just hate it when fellow Packers fans play the excuse game, when they would rip Vikings fans for doing the exact same thing. Practice what you preach. Tillman stumbled and that's how Greg got his separation. There's no question we won the game because of that. It's sad that with 4 INT's it came to a CB stumbling to get us the win. Yes, good throw an catch, but if Tillman doesn't stumble, we probably lose that game. And who's making excuses? I've said over and over the flags on the Packers are on the players and specifically McCarthy for not coaching them past them. And as for the Vikings loss. Vikings QB did throw a less than good throw which I say is bad, Taylor SHOULD have caught it, but the real reason they loss, in my opinion is because Mrs Childress was passing the ball over 50 times and only gave Adrian 18 rushes. I think you need 30 carries between Adrian and Taylor. Especially when you're in FG range to tie the freaking game. |
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Originally Posted by: " Originally Posted by: " Originally Posted by: " Originally Posted by: "  You do NOT throw a 5 yard screen pass if a defender is between you and the potential receiver is facing you. The receiving player should be motioning away from you and the QB should lead the receiver down field or to open field. In this case the ball should have been thrown outside to Taylors right arm and mid level, not high and there wasn't anyone around to throw it over. Vikings QB threw a bad pass, big deal. He's not perfect, get over it. Was the play his fault? Taylor SHOULD have caught the ball. Rule one in catching, if you can put your hands on it, you should catch it. Watch the play by clicking HERE. I'm not a registered official in any state or anything fancy, but I believe the cause of the Vikings losing the game is on Brad Childress. Not so much Taylor or Vikings QB. Vikings were within FG range and passing instead of running? I understand you play to win the game, but I just think that was bad. 51 passes. 18 rushes for Adrian? Pretty solid analysis.. 2 of the biggest points you made that are spot on are, "Taylor SHOULD have caught the ball. Rule one in catching, if you can put your hands on it, you should catch it." And, "51 passes. 18 rushes".. Just don't call those plays with AP as your RB. It's not like the Vikings were playing from THAT much behind most of the game. you guys act as if a pass that was 5 inches too high maybe is the end of the world. Get past it and get ready for your ass whoppin in 5 days on the unfozen tundra. I hope Favre brings a whole crew of people with "Thanks Ted" jerseys and i hope they old gray haired fool chokes after he gets fired on Monday. This hero worship thing some of you guys have is just embarrassing. I like Brett (His play. Not so much his personality.) but he now plays for the opponent. I don't see why that's so hard to get past and move on. If you can't get passed it then what happens after Brett finally does retire? No more football ? Move on to another hero? I guess I just don't understand. The first Min/GB game set a record for highest rated cable program ever. Theres a reason for it. It doesnt happen if Sage Rosenfels of T Jackson starts. Also, you call it hero worship, it's not that. It's defending the player. People want to say Favre cost them the game because he held on to the ball too long on the fumble or the "high pass" on the screen. So these idiots want to put the loss on Favre. He had 3 seconds and the defender was there on the fumble and the pass, while slightly high, was certainly catchable and either way, was just another lucky play. The Vikings dominated the Steelers for the most part and were on there way to win the game despite the bad calls(tripping in particular), the "GREAT VIKINGS RUNNING GAME" inability to punch in the TD when Favre drove them to the 3 yard line, the unfortunate defensive td returns. Anyone who gathered the Steelers are a better team than the Vikings be smokin something nice. Anyway, 7-1 with a bye coming isn't too bad. |
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The loss doesn't fall on his (Favre's) shoulders alone.. they win and lose as a team. That there is the difference in statements in views.
The holding the ball comment was more of a joke for those that wanted to pin all the sack problems on Rodgers.
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Originally Posted by: " Originally Posted by: " Originally Posted by: " Originally Posted by: " You do NOT throw a 5 yard screen pass if a defender is between you and the potential receiver is facing you. The receiving player should be motioning away from you and the QB should lead the receiver down field or to open field. In this case the ball should have been thrown outside to Taylors right arm and mid level, not high and there wasn't anyone around to throw it over. Vikings QB threw a bad pass, big deal. He's not perfect, get over it. Was the play his fault? Taylor SHOULD have caught the ball. Rule one in catching, if you can put your hands on it, you should catch it. Watch the play by clicking HERE. I'm not a registered official in any state or anything fancy, but I believe the cause of the Vikings losing the game is on Brad Childress. Not so much Taylor or Vikings QB. Vikings were within FG range and passing instead of running? I understand you play to win the game, but I just think that was bad. 51 passes. 18 rushes for Adrian? Pretty solid analysis.. 2 of the biggest points you made that are spot on are, "Taylor SHOULD have caught the ball. Rule one in catching, if you can put your hands on it, you should catch it." And, "51 passes. 18 rushes".. Just don't call those plays with AP as your RB. It's not like the Vikings were playing from THAT much behind most of the game. i hope they old gray haired fool chokes after he gets fired on Monday. Favre is getting fired on Monday???? Thats not the one I was talking about. He's gonna be too busy picking Packers out of his teeth on Monday to get fired. |
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Looks to me, 93z, that Dugan's backside/lower back made contact while the defender tried to avoid the contact and ended up diving over Dugan's backside/legs.
I also heard that it's called a 'rolling block' that's taught in training camp. But, I don't know how accurate that is.
I know you are big on the O-Line/trench stuff, but still doesn't look to be the right call. It looks like a tripping type block in normal speed from certain angles. In other angles, looks bad. I can see how it was called, even though my opinion thinks it's a bad one.
I don't believe it to be a garbage call, I believe it to be a poorly executed block, where he whiffed on the initial contact and then used the last thing he had left to block him.. his legs. If Harrison doesn't leave the ground on that play, the risk to injury is much higher.. like it or not, he caught him with his legs in a whipping fashion. If I seen a Packer player in the position.. I call it a penalty just the same.. For those that say it happens weekly.. find me some plays that are called. Do they consistently call it, they should, you can't use your feet nor legs to cut down a defender. Simply put. |
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Again you might see a leg "whip" but it's hard to execute a "whipping" motion as your in the air falling to the ground. If he was already laying on the ground, and "whipped" then 100% it's a penalty. When you are falling to the ground and your legs are wailing around I can't see that as being a trip.
Tripping someone from the side by sliding your leg into theirs is done when you have a base to whip your leg. With no base it's pretty hard to trip or "whip" anything let alone an upside down whip like this was. Show me the rule that says when you fall down you have to keep your legs in a certain manor. He was falling, to the ground, being hurdled and his legs contacted the Defenders. Happens all the time. It was a selective call at a selective time given to a team who 1 week earlier was given a first down when they were clearly short by 6 inches on 4th down. The Steelers have gotten a bunch of bogus calls the last few years so it doesn't surprise me. |
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I try having a discussion and you fling things left and right, I respond and you go on to a different subject all together?
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Originally Posted by: " Again you might see a leg "whip" but it's hard to execute a "whipping" motion as your in the air falling to the ground. If he was already laying on the ground, and "whipped" then 100% it's a penalty. When you are falling to the ground and your legs are wailing around I can't see that as being a trip.
Tripping someone from the side by sliding your leg into theirs is done when you have a base to whip your leg. With no base it's pretty hard to trip or "whip" anything let alone an upside down whip like this was. Show me the rule that says when you fall down you have to keep your legs in a certain manor. He was falling, to the ground, being hurdled and his legs contacted the Defenders. Happens all the time. It was a selective call at a selective time given to a team who 1 week earlier was given a first down when they were clearly short by 6 inches on 4th down. The Steelers have gotten a bunch of bogus calls the last few years so it doesn't surprise me. I don't know about you sir, but when I fall to the ground, I make it a point to watch how my legs are swinging so not to trip anyone else. |
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Originally Posted by: " Again you might see a leg "whip" but it's hard to execute a "whipping" motion as your in the air falling to the ground. If he was already laying on the ground, and "whipped" then 100% it's a penalty. When you are falling to the ground and your legs are wailing around I can't see that as being a trip. Did he swing his legs at the defender? Yes. Did his legs create a whipping effect? Yes. Should it be a penalty? Yes. He got called for tripping.. IMO, it was the incorrect but lighter call for a piss poor block attempt in which he whiffed and did the only thing he could do because he left his feet.. take him out with his legs regardless if Harrison was airborne or planted on the ground. Rules.. you most certainly can't use your legs to trip or force a player to the ground.. again would he have done a ton of damage without a plant leg.. probably not.. but you can't allow it because he sold out on the cut and missed. Again.. find me other consistent evidence of it being let go? Edit.. NFL rule book.. since your asking.. Quote:15 yard Personal Foul - Leg Whip:
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Originally Posted by: " Originally Posted by: " Again you might see a leg "whip" but it's hard to execute a "whipping" motion as your in the air falling to the ground. If he was already laying on the ground, and "whipped" then 100% it's a penalty. When you are falling to the ground and your legs are wailing around I can't see that as being a trip. Did he swing his legs at the defender? Yes. Did his legs create a whipping effect? Yes. Should it be a penalty? Yes. He got called for tripping.. IMO, it was the incorrect but lighter call for a piss poor block attempt in which he whiffed and did the only thing he could do because he left his feet.. take him out with his legs regardless if Harrison was airborne or planted on the ground. Rules.. you most certainly can't use your legs to trip or force a player to the ground.. again would he have done a ton of damage without a plant leg.. probably not.. but you can't allow it because he sold out on the cut and missed. Again.. find me other consistent evidence of it being let go? Edit.. NFL rule book.. since your asking.. Quote:15 yard Personal Foul - Leg Whip:
"striking an opponent anywhere above the knee with the foot or any part of the leg below the knee with a whipping motion" I guess I'll pay more attention to the blocking part of the game. I'll make sure to bring up every time I see a defender trip over an offensive lineman's fat ass legs. It happens in EVERY game. They call it when it's obviously intentional. Dugan was in the air.. how could it be intentional when he's already in motion, in mid air. ESPECIALLY when initial contact was made with his ass? |
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You can't joke about Favre with Favre fans.
I agree about Pittsburgh and Minnesota being very even.
To state that Minnesota looked better than Pittsburgh would be like Packer fans stating well our offense matched your offense in the first game against the Vikings. It really did too. Look at the stats. GB moved the ball up and down the field, but still loss. Why? Turnovers and sacks.
Favre was sacked four times and turned the ball over two times. Not all his fault, but Pittsburgh needs to be credit here too.
The way some prole are talking is kind of mindblowing. I mean now there is talk of the Saints going unbeaten and before I think some Favre fans (Viking fans know better) felt Minnesota would run the table. People need to slow down.
For the record, he did hold the ball too long. I think the point needs to be made though that he really had to and to be fair, he held the ball too long on the throw to AP, but he had too. His line also allowed him to get one of those throws off. This 1-2-3 crap is a joke. It's not that easy. |
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The first Min/GB game set a record for highest rated cable program ever. Theres a reason for it. It doesnt happen if Sage Rosenfels of T Jackson starts.
Also, you call it hero worship, it's not that. It's defending the player. People want to say Favre cost them the game because he held on to the ball too long on the fumble or the "high pass" on the screen. So these idiots want to put the loss on Favre. He had 3 seconds and the defender was there on the fumble and the pass, while slightly high, was certainly catchable and either way, was just another lucky play. The Vikings dominated the Steelers for the most part and were on there way to win the game despite the bad calls(tripping in particular), the "GREAT VIKINGS RUNNING GAME" inability to punch in the TD when Favre drove them to the 3 yard line, the unfortunate defensive td returns.
Anyone who gathered the Steelers are a better team than the Vikings be smokin something nice. Anyway, 7-1 with a bye coming isn't too
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While I agree with Rule One "if it hits your hands you should catch it", the pass was more than "slightly high". Watch the replay again. Taylor jumps a little bit, his arms are extended about as far as they can go, (keep in mind with shoulder pads on football players don't have the same range of motion as they would without pads and running backs pads are usually bigger than a receivers pads are.) and the ball is still more than a foot over his head. Both players share in the blame for the int but this is Brett's fault more than Taylor's. Look at Brett's face after the TD. He is smiling. It is as if he is saying, "well ya got me this time." He knows that was his fault. He loves the competition. He can take the hit. He has said so many times over the years that he is not afraid of the interceptions that he has thrown. He is not bothered by mistakes. Watch him when one of the other players screws up. He chews them out. He tells them to "get their head in the game." |
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