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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#61 Posted : Friday, June 29, 2012 8:34:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Oh you're dead on, it is huge, but "if" its valid ... is where my question comes from. I mean, if they were trying to injure people, wouldn't others have noticed? Wouldn't they get votes as dirty players?


Next vote.

That is the nature of opinion polls. I would rather listen to smart people.

If you listen to opinion polls there are going to be as many stupid opinions canceling out the smart ones. Leaving behind the most mediocre opinion.

The masses are are pretty susceptible to hype.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.

Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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#62 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:28:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Next vote.

That is the nature of opinion polls. I would rather listen to smart people.

If you listen to opinion polls there are going to be as many stupid opinions canceling out the smart ones. Leaving behind the most mediocre opinion.

The masses are are pretty susceptible to hype.


This adds to the point I'm making. If the Saints were going out of their way to try an injure players, others would have noticed. I don't care about tomorrows polls, I asked about polls prior to the suspensions. If the Saints players were trying to hurt players, other players would have noticed. Why wasn't this reflected in the polls?

Every game is on tape, do they have video evidence of a player deliberately trying to injure someone? If so, how do you determine the intent? A player on the field will know when someone is trying to end their career or knock them out of the game.

From what I've read, this seems to be more of a since you hit this player and he was knocked out, here's $500.

The 'give me my money' comment I find interesting.

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#63 Posted : Thursday, July 5, 2012 8:24:14 AM(UTC)
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I thought this was an interesting statement.
Mike Florio wrote:
Was there a bounty system, or was it a pay-for-performance process that paid players a little extra to do that which they already were paid to do — apply hard, clean, legal hits in a manner that makes an opponent unavailable to return to the game.


I would define them as follows.

A bounty system would be defined as putting money on the table for players to 'earn' if they injured a player.
A pay-for-performance system would be defined as cleanly hitting a player and getting cash because of it.

This is splitting hairs here. I interpret a bounty as trying to injure a player by any means necessary, where the pay-for-performance is more so a player getting an extra chunk of case BECAUSE a player he hit legally was unable to finish the game. It's mean in nature, but the concept isn't much different than the Packers WR pay-for-performance deal with the dropped balls.

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#64 Posted : Friday, July 6, 2012 12:56:57 PM(UTC)
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I thought this was an interesting statement.


I would define them as follows.

A bounty system would be defined as putting money on the table for players to 'earn' if they injured a player.
A pay-for-performance system would be defined as cleanly hitting a player and getting cash because of it.

This is splitting hairs here. I interpret a bounty as trying to injure a player by any means necessary, where the pay-for-performance is more so a player getting an extra chunk of case BECAUSE a player he hit legally was unable to finish the game. It's mean in nature, but the concept isn't much different than the Packers WR pay-for-performance deal with the dropped balls.


If you can collect without actually injuring the player you made the play against, it is performance.

If you only collect when you injure a player and the money goes up the more severe the injury, you are mob enforcer. Not an athlete.
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Offline dhazer  
#65 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2012 9:56:26 AM(UTC)
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Charles Martin on Jim Mcmahon = Bounty
Warren Sapp on Clifton = Bounty

LT on Joe Theisman = Pay for performance
Jack Tatum on Stingley = Pay for Performance

All 4 plays caused serious injury but total different plays, so yes splitting hairs, but also a major difference in plays
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#66 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:18:30 AM(UTC)
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I think ALL teams try to "put a hurt" on the other teams offense. The mental part of a game is very important. If you can get a guy to fear you, you are one up on him.
Look at how "gun shy" Favre was near the end of his career. He was "hearing footsteps" all the time, and it affected his performance.
The only difference was, the Saints were STUPID enough to make it verbally known that they were actually trying to take guys out of the game.
I'm 100% against trying to purposely hurt other players. That's upsportsmanship at it's worst. And in pro sports, you could end a guy's career and take away his livelyhood all in one second.
I'm not against hard hits, as it's FOOTBALL after all, a contact sport. Injury is part of the consequences if you get into that line of work. But trying to hurt a guy on purpose? That's assalt in my opinion.
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#67 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:30:17 PM(UTC)
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Uh-oh


"In the 1996 playoffs, Hall of Fame Packers defensive end Reggie White made a deal with his teammates: Make a big hit, and I’ll give you $500."


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#68 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:34:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Uh-oh


"In the 1996 playoffs, Hall of Fame Packers defensive end Reggie White made a deal with his teammates: Make a big hit, and I’ll give you $500."



<3 the minister of defense
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#69 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 9:13:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Uh-oh


"In the 1996 playoffs, Hall of Fame Packers defensive end Reggie White made a deal with his teammates: Make a big hit, and I’ll give you $500."



I wonder if Goodell will try to suspend Reggie now.
I'm sure he will at least fine him.Sarcasm
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#70 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:16:25 AM(UTC)
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Offline Cheesey  
#71 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 2:41:11 PM(UTC)
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"FREE Sean Payton?"
Does that mean the're handing out free ones???
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