Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
20 Pages<1234>»
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline Wade  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:49:08 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Joined: 8/1/2009(UTC)
Location: nowhere of importance
Applause Given: 887
Applause Received: 902
I feel sad for Jeremy and other Viking fans. And for those bars,etc. that might have to close/lay off staff if the Vikes move. And it won't be the same making jokes about a team in California who happens to wear purple.

But if I were a citizen of Minnesota, I'd be applauding. There are lots of ways of investing 400-500 million dollars of public money. Most of which are better investments for the overall "economy" than building a professional sport stadium.

IMO.

Offline wpr  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:14:28 PM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,551
Applause Received: 1,798
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I feel sad for Jeremy and other Viking fans. And for those bars,etc. that might have to close/lay off staff if the Vikes move. And it won't be the same making jokes about a team in California who happens to wear purple.

But if I were a citizen of Minnesota, I'd be applauding. There are lots of ways of investing 400-500 million dollars of public money. Most of which are better investments for the overall "economy" than building a professional sport stadium.

IMO.



If the Vikings follow the Lakers and leave Minn and move to LA they will be in the NFC West within 5 years. Ironically the Rams will take their place in the "Norris" Division.

I have long been an advocate of not building these new monuments for the sports franchises on the backs of the taxpayers. And if they have to build them then make them multifunctional. It is ludicrous to build a football only facility. 8 regular season games, 2 preseason and the fortunate few teams get a couple of playoff games to boot. That is insane.

I admire the Jets and Giants sharing a facility. I wish other cities went back to baseball and football in the same stadium. And tearing a facility down after it is only 25-30 even 40 years old is criminal.
Offline Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:42:41 PM(UTC)
Rank: Premier Member

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,347
Applause Received: 3,635
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I admire the Jets and Giants sharing a facility. I wish other cities went back to baseball and football in the same stadium. And tearing a facility down after it is only 25-30 even 40 years old is criminal.


Stupidest thing ever was having Baseball and Football on the same field. What NFL player wants to run on that unsafe terrain?

I like the idea of using the stadium for multiple events. I think it's kind of crazy to let the stadium be used what a max of 10 times a year? Throw concerts or something in there too!!
Offline wpr  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:14:06 PM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,551
Applause Received: 1,798
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Stupidest thing ever was having Baseball and Football on the same field. What NFL player wants to run on that unsafe terrain?

I like the idea of using the stadium for multiple events. I think it's kind of crazy to let the stadium be used what a max of 10 times a year? Throw concerts or something in there too!!


Yeah concerts. Even in NY that might get you 5- more events a year. How about XC racing and tractor pulls? [duh]
If the grounds crew does a good job they will be safe from field related injuries. I have seen some pretty shabby fields after a concert. Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium back in the 70' and 80's was notorious for poor field conditions after a concert. To name just one.
Offline Formo  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:32:35 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Joined: 8/12/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 216
Applause Received: 154
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I feel sad for Jeremy and other Viking fans. And for those bars,etc. that might have to close/lay off staff if the Vikes move. And it won't be the same making jokes about a team in California who happens to wear purple.

But if I were a citizen of Minnesota, I'd be applauding. There are lots of ways of investing 400-500 million dollars of public money. Most of which are better investments for the overall "economy" than building a professional sport stadium.

IMO.



I know you are our local anarchist, but the 'public money' you and others keep trumpeting/whining about is money that A) doesn't come from any new taxes, B) doesn't come from any general coffers, and C) is hardly considered public. The only real 'tax' that would be paid for the stadium would be a MPLS tax that would be extended (the tax that pays for the convention center).

That, and the stadium wouldn't even be owned or operated by the Vikings but the state appointed sports commission committee. The state would generate money from ALL uses of the stadium with the only exception of NFL football related events. That bill was about as 'fair' as you could get because the state would have most definitely gotten it's money back from it's investment (and surely you know what that is).
Offline Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:13:26 AM(UTC)
Rank: Premier Member

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,347
Applause Received: 3,635
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah concerts. Even in NY that might get you 5- more events a year. How about XC racing and tractor pulls? [duh]
If the grounds crew does a good job they will be safe from field related injuries. I have seen some pretty shabby fields after a concert. Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium back in the 70' and 80's was notorious for poor field conditions after a concert. To name just one.


Concerts wasn't the only option, just a mere suggestion. I've heard of some teams ripping up their field and putting a new one done over a BYE week, so I don't see how a concert trampling a field merits concern. Simply have events held from February through July only. The rest of the months are reserved for the NFL team.

The Packers did great with having the Packers Hall of Fame and the Atrium, why not do something like that too? Make it a year around attraction?

Combining Baseball and Football on the same field is just crap for the football players in my opinion. The Packers had something similar when playing in County Stadium (or whatever it was called) the old Brewers home. They complained about the uneven surface all the time.
Offline Wade  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:13:34 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Joined: 8/1/2009(UTC)
Location: nowhere of importance
Applause Given: 887
Applause Received: 902
Formo said: Go to Quoted Post
I know you are our local anarchist, but the 'public money' you and others keep trumpeting/whining about is money that A) doesn't come from any new taxes, B) doesn't come from any general coffers, and C) is hardly considered public. The only real 'tax' that would be paid for the stadium would be a MPLS tax that would be extended (the tax that pays for the convention center).

That, and the stadium wouldn't even be owned or operated by the Vikings but the state appointed sports commission committee. The state would generate money from ALL uses of the stadium with the only exception of NFL football related events. That bill was about as 'fair' as you could get because the state would have most definitely gotten it's money back from it's investment (and surely you know what that is).



Sigh.

1. It is publicly controlled money. If it was private money, this wouldn't be an issue, because the government wouldn't be involved. The only expenditure that the government can control is expenditure of funds it has power to coerce the use of. The reason this is an issue because the Vikings and their supporters want access to money collected from other people who don't want them to have access.

2. If it's real money, it has multiple uses. 500 million bucks can be used a lot of ways. IMO there are a lot of ways that offer a higher investment return than a sports stadium. (If there weren't, Zygi would be investing his own $500 million.) IMO there are a lot of ways that offer a higher investment than a "multi-use stadium" -- if there weren't, the entrepreneurs who want a combined sports/event venue would be able to raise money from private investors wanting to get in on a better deal.

The notion that a state "commission" can somehow find a higher return on investment than private capital owners to me is, quite frankly, ludicrous. Put it this way, if you have, say, $10 or $10K or $100K to invest, and could ask Fidelity or your governor to manage it, who would you go to?

Me, I'd go with Fidelity every time. They're more in tune with the world with the world where real value is being created through production and trade, whereas the governor only knows how to rob Peter to pay Paul. And if I discover they're not doing well enough, I can shift funds to Vanguard or Apple Computer or whatever.




Offline Formo  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:50:51 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Joined: 8/12/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 216
Applause Received: 154
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Sigh.

1. It is publicly controlled money. If it was private money, this wouldn't be an issue, because the government wouldn't be involved. The only expenditure that the government can control is expenditure of funds it has power to coerce the use of. The reason this is an issue because the Vikings and their supporters want access to money collected from other people who don't want them to have access.

2. If it's real money, it has multiple uses. 500 million bucks can be used a lot of ways. IMO there are a lot of ways that offer a higher investment return than a sports stadium. (If there weren't, Zygi would be investing his own $500 million.) IMO there are a lot of ways that offer a higher investment than a "multi-use stadium" -- if there weren't, the entrepreneurs who want a combined sports/event venue would be able to raise money from private investors wanting to get in on a better deal.

The notion that a state "commission" can somehow find a higher return on investment than private capital owners to me is, quite frankly, ludicrous. Put it this way, if you have, say, $10 or $10K or $100K to invest, and could ask Fidelity or your governor to manage it, who would you go to?

Me, I'd go with Fidelity every time. They're more in tune with the world with the world where real value is being created through production and trade, whereas the governor only knows how to rob Peter to pay Paul. And if I discover they're not doing well enough, I can shift funds to Vanguard or Apple Computer or whatever.


Wade, I get your point. And it's valid. I'm not as 'principled' as you are when it comes to something like this, but I normally would agree with you. And yes, I would love it if Zigy paid for the whole thing.. but lets face the facts and be reasonable here.. NFL team owners just don't pony up and pay the full tab on new/revamped venues. The ones that do have been very well established. That said, how is it reasonable for anyone to just ask a new NFL team owner to 'pay his own way'? It isn't.

That said, the fat lady hasn't sung yet (meaning that there's still 2 weeks in this session to pass another bill) but she's tuning up. Lester Bagley already threw down the gauntlet saying how it is stupid for the politicians to think that the Vikings brass will just accept the status quo in Minnesota. I'm mentally prepared that they are leaving.
Offline gbguy20  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:20:38 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 8/28/2009(UTC)
Applause Given: 423
Applause Received: 462
http://profootballtalk.n...n-there-is-no-next-year/

Quote:
“There is no next year,” Vikings V.P. of public affairs and stadium development Lester Bagley said, via the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

“The last governor said in 2006 we’ll come back and work on yours next year. That was six years ago. No action this year is a decision.”
Offline Formo  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:43:22 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Joined: 8/12/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 216
Applause Received: 154
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/17/vikings-on-stadium-situation-there-is-no-next-year/



Can't blame the Vikings.
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest (2)
20 Pages<1234>»
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (9h): Any pregame chat??
Smokey (14h): click, your it !
wpr (18h): Happy birthday Matt
Zero2Cool (19h): PACKERSHOME » Lombardi Avenue » Announcements » Minor PACKERSHOME facelift
Zero2Cool (19h): Welcome to PACKERSHOME, gbguy20! :D
gbguy20 (20h): what happened to the twitter feed?
Zero2Cool (21h): Matt is getting old!! Today's Birthdays: porky88 (28)
Smokey (25-Aug): NFL Football tonight on NBC !
uffda udfa (25-Aug): Cancer sucks. Claims children and others way too young. Sorry, 4 your loss.
yinzer (25-Aug): wpr, I'm sorry to hear of your loss
Cheesey (23-Aug): Wow, Wayne. Sorry to hear about that. It's never easy to lose a loved one, no matter what age.
Zero2Cool (22-Aug): Sorry, Wayne. :-(
wpr (22-Aug): Lost a friend to Pancreatic cancer. Bummed. He was only 55. Hard working dairy farmer. I am not sure if his kids will be up to the task.
Zero2Cool (21-Aug): Yes
LSUzilla (21-Aug): is there a prize for the pickem game this year?
Smokey (19-Aug): Mexican Mucky , your a genius ! Chimichangas !
Smokey (19-Aug): Sorry Zero, wilted lettuce does not qualify . LOL
Mucky Tundra (19-Aug): beef
Zero2Cool (19-Aug): ... me
Smokey (19-Aug): Meat of the day ? Chicken, Fish, or Pork ?
Smokey (15-Aug): Still Recruiting, The Tailgaters Fantasy Football League
Zero2Cool (15-Aug): Lions sign TE Andrew Quarless
Zero2Cool (15-Aug): I got sound working last night! Woohoo!
Smokey (13-Aug): Then , Maybe Not
buckeyepackfan (12-Aug): GAMEDAY NIGHT!!!!(sort of) GO! PACK! GO!
Zero2Cool (11-Aug): load it up billy!!
Smokey (10-Aug): Rugby reminds me of my childhood when the neighborhood lads all played "fumble ball" .
Smokey (10-Aug): I tune in for Olympic Archery and get half naked women playing in the sand ! Life is good !
Smokey (10-Aug): Still, The Shadow Knows .
Zero2Cool (10-Aug): You'll have to tune in Friday evening to find out. Dun dun dunnnnn!!!! ??
Smokey (10-Aug): Will the Browns game be in the Chat ?
gbguy20 (7-Aug): game cancelled.
Smokey (7-Aug): What's going on with the Chat , dhazer ?
gbguy20 (7-Aug): come onnnnnnnn
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

Road To Super Bowl LI
Sunday, Sep 11 @ 12:00 PM
at Jaguars
Sunday, Sep 18 @ 7:30 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Sep 25 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Oct 2 @ 12:00 AM
BYE
Sunday, Oct 9 @ 7:30 PM
GIANTS
Sunday, Oct 16 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Thursday, Oct 20 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 30 @ 12:00 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Nov 6 @ 3:25 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Nov 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Titans
Sunday, Nov 20 @ 7:30 PM
at Redskins
Monday, Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM
at Eagles
Sunday, Dec 4 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Dec 11 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Dec 18 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Saturday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Jan 1 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / PackFanWithTwins

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / luigis

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Porforis

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / steveishere

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

26-Aug / Football Familiarity / Smokey

25-Aug / Around The NFL / Smokey

25-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / gotarace

25-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Smokey

25-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / PackerTraxx

24-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Barfarn


Packers Headlines