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Offline zombieslayer  
#16 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:49:05 AM(UTC)
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I seem to recall Dan Fouts having a pretty quick release.


He did. Not knocking Fouts, he was a great QB (and is rightfully in the Hall of Fame). But Marino was a better version of Fouts. (And had a stronger arm as Fouts didn't have a strong arm).
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#17 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:01:21 AM(UTC)
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This is one guy that had a beautiful deep ball and made it look so effortless. Here is a video of a 60 yard pass against the wind and falling sideways.



I use to love watching Randall Cunningham play.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:17:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
This is one guy that had a beautiful deep ball and made it look so effortless. Here is a video of a 60 yard pass against the wind and falling sideways.

I use to love watching Randall Cunningham play.


Fantastic play, but that's not a beautiful deep ball, lol. It was thrown up for grabs. I think the most amazing part of the play was Cunningham's escape. That was incredible! Then rolling to his left (which is harder to throw for a right handed QB), he sets up and heaves it to mid field where his guy catches it and runs away!

Awesome play, just awesome.

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#19 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 12:12:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Yes, Warren Moon had a good deep ball too. But there is so much Favre hatred that they conveniently forget how good of a deep ball Favre had. Let's not forget that 2007, when Tom Brady had one of the best QB stat years ever, Favre completed more 40+ yard passes, including some nice game winners.

And yes, Favre had issues and had the tendency to throw it up and pray. If you discount those and count the ones when he actually kept his head, I don't think he's touchable. If you count the ones where he threw it up and prayed, then yes, you have a very strong argument that Favre's deep ball was overrated.

Lynn Dickey had a pretty nice deep ball too, but that's with another asterisk - he was throwing to James Lofton who was one of the best deep ball receivers in our lifetime (Randy Moss is the 00s version of James Lofton and had better numbers but that was after the NFL rule changes that enabled receivers to get away with stuff they couldn't get away with in the 70s and 80s).

I don't see myself as a Favre homer. I'm a huge Favre fan. But not a homer. He had mental issues that kept him from being as good as people like Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Aaron Rodgers. It's a shame too, because with his God given abilities, he should have been the best QB of the Super Bowl era. But he's a mental case and was always shooting himself (and the team) in the foot.


I don't agree with cherry picking the "good" Favre and ignoring the "bad" Favre.

Part of having a great deep ball is consistency on it. No discounts allowed.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 12:15:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Fantastic play, but that's not a beautiful deep ball, lol. It was thrown up for grabs. I think the most amazing part of the play was Cunningham's escape. That was incredible! Then rolling to his left (which is harder to throw for a right handed QB), he sets up and heaves it to mid field where his guy catches it and runs away!

Awesome play, just awesome.


I know that was just a heave but I posted it just to show arm strength. He did make the long passes look so easy, look when he got to Minny and couldn't run anymore. He loved having Moss :) and they went 15-1 and got beat right away like us last year.
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#21 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 12:20:23 PM(UTC)
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That QB for the Raiders a few years back had an amazingly strong arm. Couldn't hit a WR though if his life depended on it.

I'd love to see stats on deep completions by QB. Of course, not including catch and runs. Completion % of passes that traveled 40+ yards. Who's got the highest %?
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#22 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 2:05:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Fantastic play, but that's not a beautiful deep ball, lol. It was thrown up for grabs. I think the most amazing part of the play was Cunningham's escape. That was incredible! Then rolling to his left (which is harder to throw for a right handed QB), he sets up and heaves it to mid field where his guy catches it and runs away!

Awesome play, just awesome.


hits the nail on the head. that escape was nuts. rodgers should watch this video
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#23 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 2:22:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
hits the nail on the head. that escape was nuts. rodgers should watch this video



Don't forget Randall also has an 80 yard punt to his credit lol

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#24 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:10:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
That QB for the Raiders a few years back had an amazingly strong arm. Couldn't hit a WR though if his life depended on it.

I'd love to see stats on deep completions by QB. Of course, not including catch and runs. Completion % of passes that traveled 40+ yards. Who's got the highest %?


That would be an incredibly interesting statistic.


Raiders, Todd Marinovich?

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#25 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:03:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
That would be an incredibly interesting statistic.


Raiders, Todd Marinovich?


Geez I had a brain fart. JaMarcus Russell. He could heave the ball pretty far, but couldn't hit an open receiver with it.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:16:01 PM(UTC)
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Geez I had a brain fart. JaMarcus Russell. He could heave the ball pretty far, but couldn't hit an open receiver with it.


lol figured since you were struggling to remember, it was more than 10 years ago, :P

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#27 Posted : Monday, May 7, 2012 6:24:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
That QB for the Raiders a few years back had an amazingly strong arm. Couldn't hit a WR though if his life depended on it.

I'd love to see stats on deep completions by QB. Of course, not including catch and runs. Completion % of passes that traveled 40+ yards. Who's got the highest %?


I like to see that stat as well. My guess is the guy with the highest number is probably Brady. Playing behind an excellent O-line most of his career would certainly help this stat. Favre didn't have as much of a luxury to sit back which is why our YAC was a big part of our big plays.

For me Warren Moon was always a beauty to watch throw the long ball. Kudos to Porky for bringing him into the conversation.

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