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DoddPower  
#61 Posted : Wednesday, May 2, 2012 8:24:49 AM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
Actually, the decision on DD should be quite simple. If he is clearly better you keep him. If not, you keep the younger player who has more upside and costs less.


I agree that above all else it's important to just let it play out. An ACL injury here or a Achilles there and Donald Driver is our #2-3 again (gasp). In my ideal world, however, I want him beat out because that tells me that a younger guy outplayed a player that was already pretty good, thereby improving the team (and special teams), theoretically. I only think this is an option for Driver because I don't think Jones or Nelson can be beat out by any exterior player currently on the roster (although perhaps we have another Donald Driver in training somewhere with one of these guys?). I had the same opinion near the end of Farve's career, especially after the preseason and Dallas game. True, Rodger's was almost totally unproven, but I thought ultimately he was better than Favre at that point in their respective careers and only had room to get better, while the exact opposite was true for Favre. This is despite all of Favre's "leadership" or "experience" he may have brought to the table. As a I said earlier, an old leader leaving only makes room for another to step up in his place. Also, I must admit, I'm giving Ted the benefit of the doubt in some ways, too, because he is as good as they come in evaluating wide receivers. If Ted really likes Gurley and any other of those guys, I trust that they have potential to be significant contributors, even if it's not much outside of special teams.
zombieslayer  
#62 Posted : Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:58:30 AM(UTC)
Will Tori Gurley be our 2012 Brett Swain?

More likely yes than no. I'd LOVE to be wrong.
DarkaneRules  
#63 Posted : Wednesday, May 2, 2012 10:08:24 AM(UTC)
I want him to come back pretty badly. We will see how the business end plays out.
Dexter_Sinister  
#64 Posted : Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:29:25 PM(UTC)
I do not want to see Driver back nor do I want to see him gone. I want the best guy in and contributing.

If that is Driver, great. If it isn't, thanks Donald, you have been one of my favorite players and one of my favorite people to cheer for.

If Gurley is an improvement, that is good for the team's overall talent.

But whoever is in there, catch. the. damn. ball.
dhazer  
#65 Posted : Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:59:02 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Will Tori Gurley be our 2012 Brett Swain?

More likely yes than no. I'd LOVE to be wrong.


Don't knock Swain, he is in Seattle and Randy Moss has to beat him out for playing time [-x

Zero2Cool  
#66 Posted : Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:03:04 PM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
Don't knock Swain, he is in Seattle and Randy Moss has to beat him out for playing time [-x



If Brett Swain is in Seattle, how does Randy Moss (49ers) have to beat him out for playing time?
Cheesey  
#67 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:39:07 PM(UTC)
If i didn't think DD still had "it", i'd say let him go. But i really think he's still a darn good player. He's not afraid to go across the middle, and is dependable when thrown to.
Better to have too many good WR's then not enough. And it seems he's willing to take a pay cut.
DarkaneRules  
#68 Posted : Monday, May 7, 2012 11:10:35 AM(UTC)
That is the business end then. I really think we keep him. The draft put defense on notice more than the offense.
zombieslayer  
#69 Posted : Monday, May 7, 2012 11:28:30 AM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
That is the business end then. I really think we keep him. The draft put defense on notice more than the offense.


That's what I think. If I had to slap money down, I'd bet Driver stays in 2012.
Dexter_Sinister  
#70 Posted : Monday, May 7, 2012 12:43:24 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
That is the business end then. I really think we keep him. The draft put defense on notice more than the offense.


What message does the UDFA pick ups say. We got a couple TEs, a couple RBs and a couple WRs.
zombieslayer  
#71 Posted : Monday, May 7, 2012 12:52:56 PM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
What message does the UDFA pick ups say. We got a couple TEs, a couple RBs and a couple WRs.


UDFAs rarely make the team. Drafted people are more likely to make the team.
Zero2Cool  
#72 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:39:26 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
UDFAs rarely make the team. Drafted people are more likely to make the team.


Wait a minute here! Are you going to try and tell us that players skipped over by 32 teams SEVEN times are less likely to make a roster than those of someone who was picked? HOGWASH!!!

In related news to the topic, it sounds like one Green Bay writer feels Donald Driver's days are ...
DoddPower  
#73 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:05:19 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
In related news to the topic, it sounds like one Green Bay writer feels Donald Driver's days are ...


Yeah, I still have a hard time imagining a situation where Driver makes this team in 2012 beyond some early injuries at the position.
Dexter_Sinister  
#74 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 8:46:40 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
UDFAs rarely make the team. Drafted people are more likely to make the team.


An average of 27 players drafted in the 6th, 7th or UDFA were on the Packers 45 man roster last year.

Being passed on by other teams doesn't mean much.
PackerTraxx  
#75 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:38:13 AM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
An average of 27 players drafted in the 6th, 7th or UDFA were on the Packers 45 man roster last year.

Being passed on by other teams doesn't mean much.


That may be part of the reason our defense was so bad last year. Much of the draft since Raji and CM3 was on offense. Not complaining since we needed those players also, just saying that's the way it worked out.
zombieslayer  
#76 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:50:21 PM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
An average of 27 players drafted in the 6th, 7th or UDFA were on the Packers 45 man roster last year.

Being passed on by other teams doesn't mean much.


Let's look at starters. Now, this is just sports.yahoo.com/nfl guessing who they are, but it's probably gonna be close to this:
Newhouse - 2010 5th
Lang - 2009 4th
Saturday - UFA - Colts
Sitton - 2008 4th
Bulaga - 2010 1st
Jennings - 2006 2nd
Finley - 2008 3rd
Rodgers - 2005 1st
Nelson - 2008 2nd
Kuhn - 2006 Waivers (Steelers)
Starks - 2010 6th

Pickett - UFA - Cards
Raji - 2009 1st
Hargrove - UFA - Seahawks
CM3 - 2009 1st
Hawk - 2006 1st
Bishop - 2007 6th
Perry - 2012 1st
Woodson - UFA - Raiders
Peprah - FA
Burnett - 2010 3rd
T Williams - FA

Crosby - 2007 6th
Mashtay - FA
Cobb - 2011 2nd

So I can't speak for other teams, but looks like the Packers build through the draft. And you can't include 6th and 7th rounds. That's still drafting. There are still gems in the late rounds.

We got only 3 UDFAs, and of those, one of them was our Punter.

Of course, our big UDFA steal was Tramon Williams. I bet the other 31 teams are kicking themselves over him.
Zero2Cool  
#77 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 5:06:26 AM(UTC)
If a player was drafted in the 6th or 7th round, how can he be said to have been passed on in the draft if he was selected?
Dexter_Sinister  
#78 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 6:25:33 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
If a player was drafted in the 6th or 7th round, how can he be said to have been passed on in the draft if he was selected?


The point was made that players who were passed on 7 times were not as talented. Is there a great deal of difference between being passed on 6 times and being passed on 7? Or in the case of a supplemental pick, they were actually passed on 7 times by each team before they were selected.

Is there a significant drop in talent between a 28th pick in the 7th round and an undrafted? How about the supplemental 7th round picks.

I was pointing out that being passed on by 32 teams doesn't mean they are untalented. 6th, 7th and undrafted players were all passed on several times.
Zero2Cool  
#79 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 6:46:11 AM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
The point was made that players who were passed on 7 times were not as talented. Is there a great deal of difference between being passed on 6 times and being passed on 7? Or in the case of a supplemental pick, they were actually passed on 7 times by each team before they were selected.

Is there a significant drop in talent between a 28th pick in the 7th round and an undrafted? How about the supplemental 7th round picks.

I was pointing out that being passed on by 32 teams doesn't mean they are untalented. 6th, 7th and undrafted players were all passed on several times.


So the cup is half full unless it's half empty? There is no spoon ... Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. (oh I think I have an idea for movie night with Keiana now)

I hold the belief that all are talented and with the right system, the right coaching each can excel to great levels with the proper motivation. First round, third round or undrafted ... who gives a damn. If you can play, you can play.

Do some research on free agents and how well they succeed on their next team based on where they were drafted. (not TELLING you to do it, saying it as more 'matter of fact')
beast  
#80 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 8:43:50 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post

Pickett - UFA - Cards
Raji - 2009 1st
Hargrove - UFA - Seahawks



Pickett is from the Rams. And Hargrove might be forced to sit out 8 games, so I wouldn't say he's the starter. I'd go with Worthy.
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