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Offline DoddPower  
#41 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:29:01 AM(UTC)
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I personally like what Gurley can bring to special teams (e.g., blocking kicks, which he has shown he can do in the only time he has had a chance: preseason). I think the 5th and maybe even the 4th wide receiver should have special teams value, which Driver does not. While I acknowledge that Driver still holds some value to this team in the passing game, I'm not convinced it's anything significantly more than someone like Gurley would, especially as a red zone target. Sure, there is no guarantee, but one or more of those young guys could be the next Donald Driver themselves! We won't know without giving them an opportunity, but I think that's a common thought. I also think the common argument of Driver being the only wide receiver showing up against the Giants in the playoff game isn't a good argument. We've all heard that he was being covered by a single linebacker at times. Also, there were a few opportunities that were there that Rodger's simply missed. Perhaps if Rodger's make those couple of throws, we'd be saying Finley or Jennings stepped up in that game, despite a drop or two. I also understand the veteran presence argument, but I'm not convinced that's a big factor either, especially since Jennings, Nelson, Jones, etc., have all been around for several years and have experienced running the table through the playoffs (on the road) and winning a Super Bowl. I think that any leadership abilities that would leave with Driver could easily be accounted for by others, and sometimes, it takes a leader leaving for a new one to emerge.

It goes without saying this is just my opinion and obviously Ted and McCarthy know better than me. But the factors described above plus my skepticism of his ability to stay healthy, even in limited playing time, pushes me towards giving the young guys a shot. I agree with letting him fight for his spot in training camp, but I would hope it's an uphill battle for him. In other words, he needs to show he is SIGNIFICANTLY better and more valuable to this team than any of the younger guys. If so, good. I wouldn't be disappointed. However, I will not be surprised in the slightest to see him on another team this season.
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#42 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:43:57 AM(UTC)
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I think Doddpower makes an excellent point. Sure Driver brings a lot of experience to the table, but the core offensive players, Rodgers, Jennings, Sitton, etc are guys who are on their second, some going on third contracts soon, high character guys with a lot of playing experience and everything you would want as far as leadership goes. I am fine with those guys as the leaders of this offense.

Even some of the younger guys like Nelson, Jones, and Bulaga bring solid experience to the team, if you look at the team as a whole there are a lot of young players, but you look at the starters, the core players, these are good guys with lots of playing experience. I'm not sure if DD's vast experience will be missed as much as some are saying.
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#43 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 9:54:15 AM(UTC)
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1. I'd rather have DD now than Hines Ward of 3 years ago. Bleh, bleh, bleh.
2. DD has said he's willing to take a salary cut. Don't know how big a one, but one can't just quote his current contract and say he costs too much.
3. I don't understand this "cut him, he's declined" stuff at all. None of those young practice squad players, good as they have looked, have shown themselves as better than DD. Sure, I can see moving him down last year's depth chart. That's not the same as moving him below those who couldn't even make the 53-man roster last year. Not until they show they can make the roster.
4. Especially since he played better than almost any other receivers last year in the last game, and the game that counted the most (e.g., the playoff game).

The only place Hines Ward deserves to be compared with DD is in his Dancing With The Stars performance. And DD beats the crap out of him there.



Right on with 2,3,and 4. I don't follow the Steelers so not sure about how to compare him to Ward. But yes, Driver will take a pay cut. And yes, none of the other guys have shown to be better than Driver, and come Playoff time, Driver ups his level. How many other players can say that? Jordy and Gregorious can. They were spectacular in the SB in 2010. But against the Giants (both times), Driver seemed like the only guy who was solid.

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#44 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:29:55 PM(UTC)
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Ok am I missing something but I don't see any receptions for Gurley last year but hell hes better than Driver. Hell he is the best wr we have on this team. If you go off his his preseason stats he killed everyone right. Gurley is the best leader in the locker room by far.
I mean if you see Driver on dancing with the stars you will see he is all flabby and old and can barely move. Send him to Detroit to join up with Collins.
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#45 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:08:05 PM(UTC)
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Let the man go already!!!!!

Tired of these same stupid arguments every year.

Hell we lost Chasten West last year because Driver wouldn't retire!!

That's right Chasten West who showed more potential than Borel or Gurley and went to Jacksonville and was never heard from again!!

I'm really tired of these veteran players holding back all the young guys just "full of potential"

Dammit with Chasten West The Packers probably would have beaten The Giants last year and went on to win The Superbowl.

To tell the truth I am more worried about how The Packers are gonna keep Aaron Rodgers upright and healthy all year than I am whether Donald Driver stays.
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#46 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:13:28 PM(UTC)
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Ok am I missing something but I don't see any receptions for Gurley last year but hell hes better than Driver. Hell he is the best wr we have on this team. If you go off his his preseason stats he killed everyone right. Gurley is the best leader in the locker room by far.
I mean if you see Driver on dancing with the stars you will see he is all flabby and old and can barely move. Send him to Detroit to join up with Collins.


I heard Cam Newton said that if he had Gurley on his team, they'd win the Super Bowl for sure.

Randy Moss says that one day he hopes he can be as good a deep threat as Gurley.

Jerry Rice was recently in a fit of depression because for all his hard work, his records will be shattered by Gurley's.

Ted Thompson recently turned down a trade from the Redskins for their first round draft picks for the next ten years for Gurley. Mike McCarthy told Ted Thompson that if Ted Thompson took the trade, Mike McCarthy will quit right there and then.

Wes Welker says that he hopes he can have half as many receptions as Gurley will have in 2012.

So yes, Gurley is superior to Driver, Jennings, and Nelson combined. Once he is on the field, we might as well not even play the game. Aaron Rodgers will just throw the ball high up in the air and Gurley will come down with it, break all the tackles, and high step into the end zone every single down.

I'm surprised you don't know all this Hazer. And you claim to be a Packers fan. [-(
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What are the odds of DD being healthy all season vs that of Gurley being healthy all season?
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#48 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:19:18 PM(UTC)
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What are the odds of DD being healthy all season vs that of Gurley being healthy all season?


The odds are the same!!! Anyone can be injured at anytime. Doesn't matter whether you are a rookie or 15 year vet, every player that walks on the field knows that play could be their last.

Check with Vegas, if anyone has a line on the question Vegas will.
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#49 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:28:01 PM(UTC)
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The odds are the same!!! Anyone can be injured at anytime. Doesn't matter whether you are a rookie or 15 year vet, every player that walks on the field knows that play could be their last.

Check with Vegas, if anyone has a line on the question Vegas will.



Ya ask Collins the odds of staying healthy last year, I am sure noone thought he would be out for the year.
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#50 Posted : Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:19:43 PM(UTC)
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Let the man go already!!!!!

Tired of these same stupid arguments every year.

Hell we lost Chasten West last year because Driver wouldn't retire!!

That's right Chasten West who showed more potential than Borel or Gurley and went to Jacksonville and was never heard from again!!

I'm really tired of these veteran players holding back all the young guys just "full of potential"

Dammit with Chasten West The Packers probably would have beaten The Giants last year and went on to win The Superbowl.

To tell the truth I am more worried about how The Packers are gonna keep Aaron Rodgers upright and healthy all year than I am whether Donald Driver stays.


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