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Offline zombieslayer  
#21 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 3:38:17 PM(UTC)
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I actually enjoy watching a good running game more that a good passing game. Just my pregerence. It's one of the main reasons I like college ball. That said, the way the pro game is set up today you need to pass to win and run to keep defenses honest. If the rules were still like years ago that DBs could bump and run, knock a reciever down any time before the ball is in the air, and the O linemen couldn't use their hands you would see the running game more prominently. I'm glad we have the passing ammunition we do, because that's more important with the way the rule of the game are today.


That was the point I was making several years ago when I half-jokingly said "screw the run." The rules changed to make the passing game so easy that anyone could do it. You have today's average QBs with what would be elite numbers in the 70s and 80s and elite QBs breaking records left and right.

The rules for the running game didn't change.

So exploit the rule changes. If the NFL takes away those passing handicaps, then yes, we'll need a balanced O. But if the NFL practically rolls out the red carpets for QBs, then pass, pass, and pass some more.

Hey, I'm not the one making the rules. I'm not telling the NFL that pass defenders have to cover with a handicap. But those are the rules and we might as well exploit them. Are they fair? Hell no. Could you imagine James Lofton and John Jefferson wearing gloves and complaining to the refs every time a DB looked at them wrong, then getting flags thrown for PI? Imagine the stats they would have had if they played today.

Once again, I'm not saying this is fair.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:14:17 PM(UTC)
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I think it's pretty safe to say we all understand you have to run the ball in order to win games. We learn that early on in our football years.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 7:36:34 PM(UTC)
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Now you're just goading.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 8:12:29 PM(UTC)
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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
That was the point I was making several years ago when I half-jokingly said "screw the run." The rules changed to make the passing game so easy that anyone could do it. You have today's average QBs with what would be elite numbers in the 70s and 80s and elite QBs breaking records left and right.

The rules for the running game didn't change.

So exploit the rule changes. If the NFL takes away those passing handicaps, then yes, we'll need a balanced O. But if the NFL practically rolls out the red carpets for QBs, then pass, pass, and pass some more.

Hey, I'm not the one making the rules. I'm not telling the NFL that pass defenders have to cover with a handicap. But those are the rules and we might as well exploit them. Are they fair? Hell no. Could you imagine James Lofton and John Jefferson wearing gloves and complaining to the refs every time a DB looked at them wrong, then getting flags thrown for PI? Imagine the stats they would have had if they played today.

Once again, I'm not saying this is fair.


Can you imagine the stats someone like Ray Berry or Lance Alworth would have had if they had the "illegal contact after 5 yards" penalty?

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#25 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 12:18:51 AM(UTC)
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Can you imagine the stats someone like Ray Berry or Lance Alworth would have had if they had the "illegal contact after 5 yards" penalty?



Heh. Considering both of them had WR Triple Crowns in their career and played 14 game seasons... :-k

23 TDs probably wouldn't be the current record. Same with Don Hutson.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:27:47 AM(UTC)
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There's nothing quite like shoving the ball down someone's throat in the fourth, which we were able to do in a couple games last year, but we are not able to do it at will yet. I think in order to be able to do it against top quality defenses - you'd have to really devote yourself to it and we won't be doing that with the quality of quarterback we have. It would not be reasonable to take the ball out of his hands like that.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:52:58 AM(UTC)
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For the record, just because you call running plays doesn't mean they'll work.

Statistically, when we called passing plays, they worked.

Just sayin'.
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#28 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:35:37 AM(UTC)
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For the record, just because you call running plays doesn't mean they'll work.

Statistically, when we called passing plays, they worked.

Just sayin'.


The Packers were pretty effective running the ball. Grant averaged 4.2 per and Starks averaged 4.3. They just didn't run it very often.

The top 2 backs for the 49ers had the same averages as the top 2 for the Packers and they were considered a dominating running team.

The Packers running game was as effective as the 49ers but our passing game was phenomenal. So by comparison it looked fairly weak.

One thing that would make our running game look a lot better is if we had a passing game as bad as the 49ers.

I'll pass on that.

Sorry about the Pun, I couldn't resist.
Offline Cheesey  
#29 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:49:08 PM(UTC)
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To me the answer to this is SOOO simple.
If they can gain decent yards running the ball, DO IT.
If not, you just keep passing.
Which ever gets you down the field, you do. Of course having a stong running game would be HUGE in taking pressure off Rodgers and the WR's, and would open up the passing game even more. If the D has to fear your running game, it opens up all kinds of options.
Now if we can also get a defense this year that can STOP the other team, we'd have something special.
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#30 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:17:18 PM(UTC)
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It'd nice to have a running game that could consistently easily pick up 3rd and 1 3rd and 2. Being forced to pass in that situation can get annoying.

Would like to be able to say "3rd and 2 meh lets punch this in and get back to work" we are consistently stuffed in those situations.
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