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Offline Since69  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:55:07 PM(UTC)
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Do you think we'll take him back?

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:00:14 PM(UTC)
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Do you think we'll take him back?


If I have it correct.. we still retain his rights. I believe he was still under contract at the time of his arrest and does not have the vested time to be a UFA.

That said.. I think his climb back into the NFL might take some time. If Vick can come back after his prison term, I think Jolly should be afford the same rights.

But a what 29/30 year old defensive lineman that hasn't played in a couple of years.. I don't see him making an impact again. One shall see.

It would be interesting to see how the Packers handle it.. Koren Robinson comes to mind, trying to help a good person recover. Or so they publicly stated.

On a different note.. I was glad to read that he finally owned up that he had an abuse problem. No more hiding from that fact. Step one of fixing a problem.. acknowledging said problem.

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I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:15:03 PM(UTC)
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Johnny Jolly is a Unrestricted Free Agent if allowed to play again in the NFL. Jolly is 29 years old as of this past February. I don't see the NFL allowing him back in. What he did was less severe than Michael Vick, but thing is, Jolly did it over and over and over again after being suspended initially. That shows little remorse for ones actions.

I hope he turns his life around. Addictions are not pleasant.



Edit, correction. Jun 15, 2010 Signed a 1 year $2.521 million contract with Green Bay (GB).
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:34:30 PM(UTC)
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So now I had to dig a little on this contract topic, since Zero disagreed, and I am firmly in place with what I said.

http://www.nationalfootb...instatement-process.html

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Jolly was busted with codeine in Houston and had to go through the court process. He signed a tender as a restricted free agent last spring. That contract will take effect once he is reinstated, per the report, meaning the Packers will have him for another season if they would like him.


Johnny Jolly does not have the vested time in to be a UFA and had signed a tender prior to playing it out.. nor do I think the Packers released his rights at all at this point. . So basically the above would hold true yet.

Now.. that said.. I don't see him playing ball here anytime soon if at all. One shall see I guess.
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On the status of suspended defensive end Johnny Jolly: “I’m trying to think the last time we talked about that. I really have nothing new. We haven’t discussed it since the combine. We’ve been in scheme evaluation. Ted and I haven’t talked about it in a few weeks.”

On if Jolly is still in the team’s plans?: “Definitely. We’ll let the process take its course and we’ll see what happens.”
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:36:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
So now I had to dig a little on this contract topic, since Zero disagreed, and I am firmly in place with what I said.

Huh? Did you even read what I said or you just saying there's a disagreement for the sake of having something to research?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:42:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Johnny Jolly is a Unrestricted Free Agent if allowed to play again in the NFL.


That is the HUH.. ;)

I am not sure really on his status, but I do not believe I ever seen the Packers release his rights..

I think the Packers have him under contract, if they want him, if he is reinstated. Didn't play out enough years and had a binding agreement in place.

If he doesn't play.. we don't pay but neither does time off that deal.

My point of that matter is two fold:

One.. if he is reinstated, technically he would be a Packers.

Two.. if he is reinstated the Packers may have the trade rights of an empty paper bag at this point.


I can't find a transaction with the Packers releasing Jolly's rights.


Or is the edit to mean you think the Packers retain his rights? LOL.

Confused yet.. trying my best Foster imitation.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:47:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
That is the HUH.. ;)

I am not sure really on his status, but I do not believe I ever seen the Packers release his rights..

I think the Packers have him under contract, if they want him, if he is reinstated. Didn't play out enough years and had a binding agreement in place.

If he doesn't play.. we don't pay but neither does time off that deal.

My point of that matter is two fold:

One.. if he is reinstated, technically he would be a Packers.

Two.. if he is reinstated the Packers may have the trade rights of an empty paper bag at this point.


I can't find a transaction with the Packers releasing Jolly's rights.


Or is the edit to mean you think the Packers retain his rights? LOL.

Confused yet.. trying my best Foster imitation.



I typed what I thought, clicked Post and read more and found that he signed a contract in 2010 prior to being suspended. I don't know if the Packers released him though. I put "Edit, correction" figuring that was enough to say hold up he is under the Packers "rights". But I really don't know, dfoster93z.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:07:25 PM(UTC)
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If he is still under contract, and I too believe he is... I would give him another shot at making this roster if the NFL gives him another shot and if he is able to get into game shape. He is a good kid with a sickness that can be beat (See Josh Hamilton)and only harmed himself. He was not out beating innocent people, or killing dogs.

By the way.. If he is under contract should this not be in the Packer Forum?
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:11:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RaiderPride Go to Quoted Post
If he is still under contract, and I too believe he is... I would give him another shot at making this roster if the NFL gives him another shot and if he is able to get into game shape. He is a good kid with a sickness that can be beat (See Josh Hamilton)and only harmed himself. He was not out beating innocent people, or killing dogs.

By the way.. If he is under contract should this not be in the Packer Forum?


Shrug didn't see him listed here ...


Edit, here's what I found in the transactions ...

07/16/2010 DE Johnny Jolly suspended indefinitely by NFL
06/15/2010 DE Johnny Jolly signed

Points can be made for him being a Packer as he signed an has not been released, but then again he's not on the active roster, doesn't count against the salary cap so ...
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:15:17 PM(UTC)
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He and his lawyer have also argued that he is merely an addict who has never hurt anyone other than himself, and that he doesn’t belong in prison with dangerous criminals. The judge evidently agreed.


So, will he ever be reinstated? If so, will it be in time for the playoffs? And will he be any good?
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:19:36 PM(UTC)
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I think if Johnny Jolly is reinstated, and if those salary numbers are correct of $2.5 million, the Packers would release him outright rather than risk paying that amount. Unless they can give him a looksie during Training Camp without costing anything ... I think that would happen and if they decided he has value, restructure his contract if necessary.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:22:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RaiderPride Go to Quoted Post
By the way.. If he is under contract should this not be in the Packer Forum?


Well, that's where I put it...
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:39:58 PM(UTC)
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I still feel bad about how Jolly was jetisoned back to Houston by the NFL and not allowed to stay in Green Bay for the help he needed with his addiction and would have received. That said, it would take him a long time to get back into football shape, and would the Packers make the investment? Athletic 300lbers don't grown on trees, and Jolly would have really helped last year.

Maybe we could PUP him and work him back into shape?
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:57:11 PM(UTC)
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I don't see the Packers taking him back if he's allowed to play again. Too much risk involved and I think the stress from trying to get back into the NFL will lead him right back to using and eventually getting busted again. I hope I'm wrong cause he was a pretty damn good player but off the field he couldn't get it together.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:04:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I still feel bad about how Jolly was jetisoned back to Houston by the NFL and not allowed to stay in Green Bay for the help he needed with his addiction and would have received. That said, it would take him a long time to get back into football shape, and would the Packers make the investment? Athletic 300lbers don't grown on trees, and Jolly would have really helped last year.

Maybe we could PUP him and work him back into shape?


The NFL didn't force him to Houston, he made that choice. He could have stayed in Green Bay. He just wasn't allowed to participate with the organization.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:11:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
The NFL didn't force him to Houston, he made that choice. He could have stayed in Green Bay. He just wasn't allowed to participate with the organization.


So how was the organization suppose to help him? I get what you're saying though, he chose to go back to the ghetto and hang with his boys.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:37:06 PM(UTC)
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How the friggin' hell did my name get dragged into this shit.

Jolly done in GB, probably NFL, also, we'll see. We retain his rights. Idiot pisses me off, they usually do. I liked his play, never want him back.

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#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:24:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
So how was the organization suppose to help him? I get what you're saying though, he chose to go back to the ghetto and hang with his boys.


I agree with you that the NFL should allow teams to help their player, after all every player is an investment of some sort. Perhaps if the Packers could have enrolled him in some structured classes or something, it would have been different. Aaron Rodgers said it was wrong of the NFL to take Jolly away from his support system, and he's right. When Edgar Bennett first came to the Packers as a non-player, his first assignment was to keep a certain player out of trouble. I forget whom it was. Teams should be allowed to do that. Assign a representative from the team to help guide a troubled player.

I heard Johnny Jolly say that he started codeine after his shoulder injury in 2009, but then I just read a quote of his saying he's had the addiction from high school.


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#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:43:27 AM(UTC)
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Well Jolly certainly shirked all of his responsibility with addiction from the beginning, like most do. It wasn't until he was at the end of his rope that he finally came around and new he needed help. It would be a very good story if we stuck with him and he made it back to the field, but I think a lot of Packer fans have already written him off. I'd be pulling for him though. There isn't anything better in our country than when a person with 2.5 strikes against him makes it. Deep down, we all root for that kind of thing.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:16:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TexasPackerFan Go to Quoted Post
I don't see the Packers taking him back if he's allowed to play again. Too much risk involved and I think the stress from trying to get back into the NFL will lead him right back to using and eventually getting busted again. I hope I'm wrong cause he was a pretty damn good player but off the field he couldn't get it together.



Really what is the overall risk?

He signed a one year contract with no guarantees, so if he screws up or can't play to the level they need him to, then you can simply cut him and walk away.

But if the kid can still play and he can play even close to the level he once did, 2.5 for a year is a bargain of a contract. Remember this kid may have been the best Dlineman we had.

That said.. his biggest hurdle next is two fold.. one the NFL letting him back in (the viewpoint used elsewhere (Vick, Stallworth) is that they served their time and paid there debt to society).

The second hurdle may be tougher... the courts allowing him flexibility in his probation.

I think the odds a slim he plays ball again.
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:17:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
How the friggin' hell did my name get dragged into this shit.


Cause dragging your name into the fray is sure to illicit a response. :)
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:28:44 AM(UTC)
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The second hurdle may be tougher... the courts allowing him flexibility in his probation.

I think the odds a slim he plays ball again.


If other hurdles are ... umm ... hurdled ... I feel probation should encourage Johnny Jolly's path to the NFL, as opposed to blocking it. Then again, the NFL could provide a support system for Jolly, or it could provide him financial means to continue his addiction on a grander scale.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:43:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Well Jolly certainly shirked all of his responsibility with addiction from the beginning, like most do. It wasn't until he was at the end of his rope that he finally came around and new he needed help. It would be a very good story if we stuck with him and he made it back to the field, but I think a lot of Packer fans have already written him off. I'd be pulling for him though. There isn't anything better in our country than when a person with 2.5 strikes against him makes it. Deep down, we all root for that kind of thing.


Nah. I don't give a shit about any of that. I just want our D-Line to be better...
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:58:54 PM(UTC)
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Fuck him. I watch how so many aspire to these so few spots, and I cannot have any sympathy. I'm sure we have let so many go that would have ultimiately been better than him as a football player in the first place, much less as a grateful (non-entitled) human being in the 2nd. He had his chances. Go bag groceries, Mr. Jolly, and reflect upon what everyone (but you) gave you to that point in your life.

I want plastic, you overly-entitled- worthless-piece- of-shit-waste-of-God-given-talent.


Other than that, I have no opinion. Not talking

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So, since he signed the contract, and is not reinstated, I believe he is the Packers property. Right?
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