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zombieslayer  
#21 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:41:00 PM(UTC)
agopackgo4 said: Go to Quoted Post
I would take Bush. Until he gets burned in the game on Sunday I believe he can get the job done. He's one of the most athletic guys on this team. He's shown improvement in his years in GB. Remember early in his career? He wouldn't even be in a discussion for a job like this. So the fact that he is even in this discussion says something about his progression. And don't forget the pass rush was an issue last year. he is above average at coming with the blitz. For a corner


Another good point. He is better than Shields at pass rushing. (And yes, that's important considering how poor we were at it last year).
beast  
#22 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:39:07 PM(UTC)

I haven't trusted Bush in coverage... but this preseason he looked a whole lot better, and surprisingly didn't make huge mistakes. He made a couple of smaller ones but Shields and Hayward made more.

The 49ers run the ball more, and Capers has been blitzing CBs from the outside some and Bush might be better at taking down a RB in the back field.

I think Bush will get the start.

I think Shields might be the best pure coverage guy of the rest.

A healthy House might be the best overall but we don't know if he'll be healthy enough yet.

I really liked Hayward, he made some rookie mistakes in one game but overall I thought he looked more like a 2nd year guy out there and just seemed to get it.



Not excited about this... but I think I'll go with Bush... of the healthy guys he's made the least mistakes, so earned a shot. It's the 49ers who like the run the ball and be physical which matches his style. But I might have a short leash...

Also I'm worried one of the DBs will get burned by the play action with the 49ers run their offense off of. Run the ball, run the ball, fake run the ball and pass.... I think that fake will get one of the DBs if the pressure doesn't get to him.
nerdmann  
#23 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:57:13 PM(UTC)
Bush can maintain coverage. He just can't make a play on the ball when it's in the air.
PackerTraxx  
#24 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2012 11:18:39 AM(UTC)
It is my hope that Shields can make a number of big plays which would help him get his confidence back and, of course, it would also help the cause.
nyrpack  
#25 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2012 5:24:06 PM(UTC)
shields by far !!
nerdmann  
#26 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 12:09:43 PM(UTC)
JSO

Quote:
"I'm new and improved," Bush said. "I'm older, wiser, faster, stronger. And I'm here to make plays. Shoot, I'm here to be dominant."


Damn, that scares me.
yooperfan  
#27 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:19:27 PM(UTC)
How about "none of the above"?
nerdmann  
#28 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:27:05 PM(UTC)
yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
How about "none of the above"?



Shields made a key third down tackle against Frank Gore, a tough runner who significantly outweighs him. I give him credit for that.

Seemed like they were playing Bush on running downs, Shields on passing downs.
stevegb  
#29 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:33:03 PM(UTC)
If its out of those two its shields for me no matter what, I cant stand bush. I accept him if hes on the special teams and that's how he makes the team but to have him in the Defensive squad is nuts, hes just not good enough. At least with shields you get elite speed and maybe he is able to recover, also there's a chance with more experience it finally clicks for shields.
dfosterf  
#30 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:36:13 PM(UTC)
Bush sucks. He just does. I'm sorry. One of you Wisconsinites please tell Ted. He doesn't get it any better than some of you.

zombieslayer  
#31 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:47:02 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Shields made a key third down tackle against Frank Gore, a tough runner who significantly outweighs him. I give him credit for that.

Seemed like they were playing Bush on running downs, Shields on passing downs.


Actually, Gore ran that wrong. He went down instead of forward. I was watching the game with a bunch of football fans and we were all wondering why Gore didn't go forward and run at Shields.

Heck, at that angle, anyone could have tackled Gore. So no credit to Shields on that particular play. We got lucky Gore made a mental error when it should have been an easy first down for him.
nerdmann  
#32 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:03:04 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Actually, Gore ran that wrong. He went down instead of forward. I was watching the game with a bunch of football fans and we were all wondering why Gore didn't go forward and run at Shields.

Heck, at that angle, anyone could have tackled Gore. So no credit to Shields on that particular play. We got lucky Gore made a mental error when it should have been an easy first down for him.


That's Gore's problem.

Fact is, Shields didn't back down, he at least tried to make the play. And in fact, did.
DarkaneRules  
#33 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:38:09 PM(UTC)
Not a fan of either, but it's who we got eh? Shields is fast and Bush is like wannabe Woodson. It's just a let down to never really see any back up corner backs on this team step up.
steveishere  
#34 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:56:36 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
Not a fan of either, but it's who we got eh? Shields is fast and Bush is like wannabe Woodson. It's just a let down to never really see any back up corner backs on this team step up.


Never? You mean like Tramon Williams never stepped up from being a back up?
zombieslayer  
#35 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:02:06 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
That's Gore's problem.

Fact is, Shields didn't back down, he at least tried to make the play. And in fact, did.


Agreed Nerd. Gore messed up.

Shields though was in the right place at the right time. Any NFL DB could have made that tackle.

I was right about Bush vs Shields. Bush is a better tackler, Shields is a better pass defender.
Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 6:32:44 AM(UTC)
"After starting at right cornerback Sunday against San Francisco, Jarrett Bush fell out of the defensive lineup. Sam Shields started in his place, and rookie Casey Hayward came in when the Packers went to their dime. The means the Packers had two rookies playing extensively in their secondary, including Jerron McMillian at safety in the nickel and dime."

Imagine that, more Sam Shields, better defensive play. Shocked!



Edit, wait, LESS Jarrett Bush, better defensive play. lol
TwinkieGorilla  
#37 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 6:35:06 AM(UTC)
Nothing against Bush...he just isn't built of the stuff which makes a good CB.
Rios39  
#38 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 7:16:14 AM(UTC)
I looked carefully at a few plays where they had 3-4 WR set and Shields and Hayward covering out routes, whcih are difficult to cover easily and they did it perfectly. On a few of those plays cutler had time but the coverage down field was great. If Shields and Hayward play like that, getting house back and our safety play was amazing last night.
stevegb  
#39 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 7:19:14 AM(UTC)
Bush just isn't good enough to start or play as a CB, I only accept him as a positionless special teams player
blueleopard  
#40 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 8:10:43 AM(UTC)
Heyward should be starting.
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