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Offline nerdmann  
#26 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 12:09:43 PM(UTC)
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"I'm new and improved," Bush said. "I'm older, wiser, faster, stronger. And I'm here to make plays. Shoot, I'm here to be dominant."


Damn, that scares me.
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Offline yooperfan  
#27 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:19:27 PM(UTC)
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How about "none of the above"?
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#28 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:27:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
How about "none of the above"?



Shields made a key third down tackle against Frank Gore, a tough runner who significantly outweighs him. I give him credit for that.

Seemed like they were playing Bush on running downs, Shields on passing downs.
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#29 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:33:03 PM(UTC)
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If its out of those two its shields for me no matter what, I cant stand bush. I accept him if hes on the special teams and that's how he makes the team but to have him in the Defensive squad is nuts, hes just not good enough. At least with shields you get elite speed and maybe he is able to recover, also there's a chance with more experience it finally clicks for shields.
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#30 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:36:13 PM(UTC)
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Bush sucks. He just does. I'm sorry. One of you Wisconsinites please tell Ted. He doesn't get it any better than some of you.

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Offline zombieslayer  
#31 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:47:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Shields made a key third down tackle against Frank Gore, a tough runner who significantly outweighs him. I give him credit for that.

Seemed like they were playing Bush on running downs, Shields on passing downs.


Actually, Gore ran that wrong. He went down instead of forward. I was watching the game with a bunch of football fans and we were all wondering why Gore didn't go forward and run at Shields.

Heck, at that angle, anyone could have tackled Gore. So no credit to Shields on that particular play. We got lucky Gore made a mental error when it should have been an easy first down for him.
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Offline nerdmann  
#32 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:03:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Actually, Gore ran that wrong. He went down instead of forward. I was watching the game with a bunch of football fans and we were all wondering why Gore didn't go forward and run at Shields.

Heck, at that angle, anyone could have tackled Gore. So no credit to Shields on that particular play. We got lucky Gore made a mental error when it should have been an easy first down for him.


That's Gore's problem.

Fact is, Shields didn't back down, he at least tried to make the play. And in fact, did.
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#33 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:38:09 PM(UTC)
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Not a fan of either, but it's who we got eh? Shields is fast and Bush is like wannabe Woodson. It's just a let down to never really see any back up corner backs on this team step up.
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Offline steveishere  
#34 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:56:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
Not a fan of either, but it's who we got eh? Shields is fast and Bush is like wannabe Woodson. It's just a let down to never really see any back up corner backs on this team step up.


Never? You mean like Tramon Williams never stepped up from being a back up?
Offline zombieslayer  
#35 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:02:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
That's Gore's problem.

Fact is, Shields didn't back down, he at least tried to make the play. And in fact, did.


Agreed Nerd. Gore messed up.

Shields though was in the right place at the right time. Any NFL DB could have made that tackle.

I was right about Bush vs Shields. Bush is a better tackler, Shields is a better pass defender.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 6:32:44 AM(UTC)
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"After starting at right cornerback Sunday against San Francisco, Jarrett Bush fell out of the defensive lineup. Sam Shields started in his place, and rookie Casey Hayward came in when the Packers went to their dime. The means the Packers had two rookies playing extensively in their secondary, including Jerron McMillian at safety in the nickel and dime."

Imagine that, more Sam Shields, better defensive play. Shocked!



Edit, wait, LESS Jarrett Bush, better defensive play. lol
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Offline TwinkieGorilla  
#37 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 6:35:06 AM(UTC)
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Nothing against Bush...he just isn't built of the stuff which makes a good CB.
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#38 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 7:16:14 AM(UTC)
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I looked carefully at a few plays where they had 3-4 WR set and Shields and Hayward covering out routes, whcih are difficult to cover easily and they did it perfectly. On a few of those plays cutler had time but the coverage down field was great. If Shields and Hayward play like that, getting house back and our safety play was amazing last night.
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#39 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 7:19:14 AM(UTC)
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Bush just isn't good enough to start or play as a CB, I only accept him as a positionless special teams player
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#40 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 8:10:43 AM(UTC)
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Heyward should be starting.
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Offline Yerko  
#41 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 8:12:51 AM(UTC)
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It was very pleasing not to see #24 roaming around lost on the defense last night.

Sam Shields played exceptionally well last night.
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#42 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 3:06:35 PM(UTC)
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This is what Sam Shields had to say about the 80 yard touchdown pass.

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It was not a miscommunication. It was all on me, looking in the backfield. Things like that, we can’t have. Just don’t let it happen again.

That's the kind of accountability I like to hear and see.
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#43 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 3:13:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
This is what Sam Shields had to say about the 80 yard touchdown pass.


That's the kind of accountability I like to hear and see.


Agreed, assuming it doesn't happen again. We won the game so if he learns from it and grows, then no harm no foul. You can't get better if you don't acknowledge what you've done wrong though so certainly good to hear him say it.
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#44 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 3:52:56 PM(UTC)
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I still think Shields has a good/great upside. I hope he has the attitude and work ethic to develop it. It was fun to watch him run down that receiver, he closed the gap pretty fast. But it got quite ugly when it came to tackling him and/or knocking the ball out. I think much of that comes from not having played defense until his senior year.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#45 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 3:54:27 PM(UTC)
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Shields is starting to look like Shields again, so now I changed my stance from "Bush on running plays and Shields on passing plays" to "Shields."
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#46 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 5:18:43 PM(UTC)
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Bush couldn't prevent an old lady from throwing the remains of her Big Mac in the trash can while the employees are swappin' out the friggin' bag at the McDonald's.

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Offline Pack93z  
#47 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:35:58 AM(UTC)
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In looking how I pissed in the cereal bowl.. I thought I would bump this thread.

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I will take anyone that can get the job done.. personally, if he keeps progressing, I will take Hayward by the middle of the season.


Hayward has exceeded my expectation to date.. so has McMillian.

They have rendered our fears at corner obsolete. Now if we could find a offensive tackle to do the same. ;)
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#48 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:41:00 AM(UTC)
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I've been most impressed with Casey Hayward. This probably does not make sense, but he just looks smooth and veteran out there. But I'd still rather Sam Shields over Jarrett Bush, unless it's special teams.
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#49 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:48:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I've been most impressed with Casey Hayward. This probably does not make sense, but he just looks smooth and veteran out there. But I'd still rather Sam Shields over Jarrett Bush, unless it's special teams.


Agreed but House looks pretty good out there.

I love Shields, but for some reason he draws more phantom PI calls than any player I've seen.
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