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Offline Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:30:47 AM(UTC)

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gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Mccarthy himself has said that he won't allow the niners to find out who they are going to see through the newspapers. Just because the depth chart says one thing, doesn't mean it actually means anything.


I wouldn't be surprised if Jarrett Bush gets the start because the 49ers are a running team and usually the first play of a series is a run when you're a running team. And I think Bush is probably better against the run.


I still would prefer Sam Shields being the guy over Jarrett Bush.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:50:17 AM(UTC)

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gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Mccarthy himself has said that he won't allow the niners to find out who they are going to see through the newspapers. Just because the depth chart says one thing, doesn't mean it actually means anything.


Yes. Mike McCarthy likes to do that. So I don't believe anything he tells the media. (Which is a GOOD thing).

I do like Bush though. I know he's often the scapegoat on this site, but I like him. He's a ST demon and he plays his heart out. He's fearless too and a good tackler.

Yes, he does blow coverages, but our 2 biggest problems last year on D were:
1) lack of a pass rush,
2) sloppy tackling

At least Bush is good at tackling.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:18:16 AM(UTC)

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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Shields is better in coverage. Bush is a better tackler. So running plays, Bush. Passing plays, Shields.



Bush is better in the slot, stuffing the run and blitzing the QB. As a third stringer behind Woody and Hayward,

No way Bush belongs on the outside.

If Shields continues to play the way he did in the last regular season game, he should have that spot.

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#19 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:17:48 PM(UTC)

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I would take Bush. Until he gets burned in the game on Sunday I believe he can get the job done. He's one of the most athletic guys on this team. He's shown improvement in his years in GB. Remember early in his career? He wouldn't even be in a discussion for a job like this. So the fact that he is even in this discussion says something about his progression. And don't forget the pass rush was an issue last year. he is above average at coming with the blitz. For a corner
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#20 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:19:34 PM(UTC)

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I would take Bush. Until he gets burned in the game on Sunday I believe he can get the job done. He's one of the most athletic guys on this team. He's shown improvement in his years in GB. Remember early in his career? He wouldn't even be in a discussion for a job like this. So the fact that he is even in this discussion says something about his progression. And don't forget the pass rush was an issue last year. he is above average at coming with the blitz. For a corner


He's only in the discussion because the talent drop off. [grin1]
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#21 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:41:00 PM(UTC)

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I would take Bush. Until he gets burned in the game on Sunday I believe he can get the job done. He's one of the most athletic guys on this team. He's shown improvement in his years in GB. Remember early in his career? He wouldn't even be in a discussion for a job like this. So the fact that he is even in this discussion says something about his progression. And don't forget the pass rush was an issue last year. he is above average at coming with the blitz. For a corner


Another good point. He is better than Shields at pass rushing. (And yes, that's important considering how poor we were at it last year).
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#22 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:39:07 PM(UTC)

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I haven't trusted Bush in coverage... but this preseason he looked a whole lot better, and surprisingly didn't make huge mistakes. He made a couple of smaller ones but Shields and Hayward made more.

The 49ers run the ball more, and Capers has been blitzing CBs from the outside some and Bush might be better at taking down a RB in the back field.

I think Bush will get the start.

I think Shields might be the best pure coverage guy of the rest.

A healthy House might be the best overall but we don't know if he'll be healthy enough yet.

I really liked Hayward, he made some rookie mistakes in one game but overall I thought he looked more like a 2nd year guy out there and just seemed to get it.



Not excited about this... but I think I'll go with Bush... of the healthy guys he's made the least mistakes, so earned a shot. It's the 49ers who like the run the ball and be physical which matches his style. But I might have a short leash...

Also I'm worried one of the DBs will get burned by the play action with the 49ers run their offense off of. Run the ball, run the ball, fake run the ball and pass.... I think that fake will get one of the DBs if the pressure doesn't get to him.
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#23 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:57:13 PM(UTC)

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Bush can maintain coverage. He just can't make a play on the ball when it's in the air.
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#24 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2012 11:18:39 AM(UTC)

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It is my hope that Shields can make a number of big plays which would help him get his confidence back and, of course, it would also help the cause.
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#25 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2012 5:24:06 PM(UTC)

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shields by far !!
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#26 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 12:09:43 PM(UTC)

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JSO

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"I'm new and improved," Bush said. "I'm older, wiser, faster, stronger. And I'm here to make plays. Shoot, I'm here to be dominant."


Damn, that scares me.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:19:27 PM(UTC)

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#28 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:27:05 PM(UTC)

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How about "none of the above"?



Shields made a key third down tackle against Frank Gore, a tough runner who significantly outweighs him. I give him credit for that.

Seemed like they were playing Bush on running downs, Shields on passing downs.
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#29 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:33:03 PM(UTC)

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If its out of those two its shields for me no matter what, I cant stand bush. I accept him if hes on the special teams and that's how he makes the team but to have him in the Defensive squad is nuts, hes just not good enough. At least with shields you get elite speed and maybe he is able to recover, also there's a chance with more experience it finally clicks for shields.
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#30 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:36:13 PM(UTC)

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Bush sucks. He just does. I'm sorry. One of you Wisconsinites please tell Ted. He doesn't get it any better than some of you.

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