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Yerko  
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:03:07 AM(UTC)
Well, Finley's drops clearly aren't his fault...they are Rodgers' fault...

Brian Carriveau wrote:
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...Finley returned to the chemistry issue in an interview Wednesday with Jason Wilde of ESPNMilwaukee.com and placed the burden on his quarterback. “Not good enough at all,” Finley said about his chemistry with Rodgers. “Something to be worked on, and try to work on it as much as I can, try to talk to him as much as I can, but like I said it takes two people.


I was a Finley believer and kept waiting for the "development" to come. The only development I am seeing is his use of excuses of his suckage.

Link to Brian's Article
Zero2Cool  
#2 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:18:02 AM(UTC)
Yerko said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, Finley's drops clearly aren't his fault...they are Rodgers' fault...

Brian Carriveau wrote:


I was a Finley believer and kept waiting for the "development" to come. The only development I am seeing is his use of excuses of his suckage.

Link to Brian's Article


Yerko got taken ... hook ... line ... SINKER!!

Here's the link to the actual source, Jason Wilde, not another Packers fan site! :P
Source - read this instead of Brian's article which is filled with unreasonable naive bias. I said it Brian-shock-value-for-page-clicks! [grin1] [grin1] [grin1]
Wade  
#3 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:57:26 PM(UTC)
Well, IMO Finley doesn't come off good in the original article either.

IMO Rodgers hones in Finley too often, just like he did back in 2010 before Finley's injury then.

At this point, I'd almost rather have Bubba-I-never-break-a-tackle Franks.

Scratch that. Delete the "almost."

And I definitely would rather have The Toolbox.
nerdmann  
#4 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:04:18 PM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, IMO Finley doesn't come off good in the original article either.

IMO Rodgers hones in Finley too often, just like he did back in 2010 before Finley's injury then.

At this point, I'd almost rather have Bubba-I-never-break-a-tackle Franks.

Scratch that. Delete the "almost."

And I definitely would rather have The Toolbox.


Paul Coffman!
Pack93z  
#5 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:05:21 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Paul Coffman!


Ed West!
Gaycandybacon  
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:43:01 PM(UTC)
I think everyone is too hard on Finley. I mean you want Bubba Franks over him? That's crazy if you ask me. He's 3rd on the team in receptions and Nelson is droping as much balls as him. I gotta piggy back what Aaron Rodgers said. Jermicheal has to get confidence early in the game. Honestly the guy drops one ball and he needs to shoved out of Green Bay? Cmon now.. See how he progresses through the season and see if he gets more consistant before considering an replacement. This type of talent and body type doesn't come around often. He just needs to play ball. I've seen some good flashes in the Seahawks and Saints game and I'll say the guy is underrated at blocking. I hope he gets healthy and hits a good stride. We need him.
nerdmann  
#7 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:25:54 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
I think everyone is too hard on Finley. I mean you want Bubba Franks over him? That's crazy if you ask me. He's 3rd on the team in receptions and Nelson is droping as much balls as him. I gotta piggy back what Aaron Rodgers said. Jermicheal has to get confidence early in the game. Honestly the guy drops one ball and he needs to shoved out of Green Bay? Cmon now.. See how he progresses through the season and see if he gets more consistant before considering an replacement. This type of talent and body type doesn't come around often. He just needs to play ball. I've seen some good flashes in the Seahawks and Saints game and I'll say the guy is underrated at blocking. I hope he gets healthy and hits a good stride. We need him.


Dude has this season to prove himself. Actually he's got that 2 year contract.

But in fairness, he's dropped more than one ball.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:12:04 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Dude has this season to prove himself. Actually he's got that 2 year contract.

But in fairness, he's dropped more than one ball.


Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley have dropped five passes each. Where's the Jordy Nelson bashing?
macbob  
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:32:11 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley have dropped five passes each. Where's the Jordy Nelson bashing?


Jordy doesn't run off at the mouth as much as Jerkmichael.
Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:43:56 PM(UTC)
macbob said: Go to Quoted Post
Jordy doesn't run off at the mouth as much as Jerkmichael.


I'm not saying he doesn't say some unnecessary things. I'm just saying people jump to conclusions and if they took the time to listen to his entire interviews and the questions asked ... most would have a different opinion.

I think his little shark fin after a first down is absurd, however, when you catch one out 8 passes I suppose one does have to celebrate.
zombieslayer  
#11 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:47:56 PM(UTC)
Jordy also had a 15 TD season. Let's run some stats here:
Jordy:
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2011 - 68 	1263 	18.6 	15 	
2012 - 23 	289 	12.6 	1


Finley:
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2011 - 55 	767 	13.9 	8
2012 - 22 	198 	9.0 	1


For the record, I have yet to hear Jordy complaining about Aaron Rodgers not looking at him enough. He just catches passes and gets TDs.

Jordy also was a stud in the SB. He's on the front cover of that SB Sports Illustrated issue with Aaron. That was the year Finley was injured and Aaron Rodgers actually spread the ball around like Favre did post Sterling Sharpe. When Finley's healthy, Aaron forces it to him like Favre did to Sterling Sharpe.

(Except Sharpe actually caught passes).
Zero2Cool  
#12 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:02:18 PM(UTC)
When has Jermichael Finley complained about Aaron Rodgers not looking at him enough?

I guess I am just not full of bias and call it like I see it. Nelson five drops. Finley five drops. Both need to up their game. And with that said, I trust Nelson to recover quicker than Finley. Shrug
dhazer  
#13 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:05:16 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Jordy also had a 15 TD season. Let's run some stats here:
Jordy:
Code:

2011 - 68 	1263 	18.6 	15 	
2012 - 23 	289 	12.6 	1


Finley:
Code:

2011 - 55 	767 	13.9 	8
2012 - 22 	198 	9.0 	1


For the record, I have yet to hear Jordy complaining about Aaron Rodgers not looking at him enough. He just catches passes and gets TDs.

Jordy also was a stud in the SB. He's on the front cover of that SB Sports Illustrated issue with Aaron. That was the year Finley was injured and Aaron Rodgers actually spread the ball around like Favre did post Sterling Sharpe. When Finley's healthy, Aaron forces it to him like Favre did to Sterling Sharpe.

(Except Sharpe actually caught passes).


Just think of the stats Jordy would've had if he didn't have like 4 drops in the Super Bowl lol.

Gaycandybacon  
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:55:57 PM(UTC)
Jordy is selfless, and he doesn't care if he catches 2 balls or 20 balls. Jordy Nelson just wants to win, and I hardly think J-Mike doesn't have the same mantality.
RaiderPride  
#15 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:00:55 AM(UTC)
Enough is enough. He is a monster talent if he focused well. But he has become the center of gravity for bad press, and bad press seeps into locker rooms and can manifest into a cancer in team chemistry.

From PFT- And the comments are interesting.

http://profootballtalk.n...-chemistry-with-rodgers/
yooperfan  
#16 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:09:46 AM(UTC)
I agree, enough is enough.
I wanted him gone at the end of last season. Not only has he not improved on the field, he is poisoning the well in Green Bay.
Trade him for a bag of used K-balls and move on.
Zero2Cool  
#17 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:17:30 AM(UTC)
It's pretty obvious most are exaggerating Jermichael Finley's comments into the negative realm, but if he chose his words better it wouldn't happen. Every reporter and journalist and wanna be blogger who lacks any journalistic fortitude uses Finley as fodder for page hits. Why? Because his openness makes him an easy target.

When the Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010 without him, I was fine with Andrew Quarless and Co. taking over and the money being allocated else where. Yes, his mere presence opens things up, however, how has that worked this season for the Packers?

The players and coaches say a lot of positive things about Finley. We can say 'what else they gonna say' but keep in mind that Josh Sitton and T.J. Lang have been very blunt about things, even indirectly criticizing their head coach. There are players on this team that are not afraid to speak their mind about other players or coaches. Yet, all things are positive with Finley.

I'm quick to point out that Finley and Jordy Nelson have five drops each. Only because I'm objective where others lack it. ZING! It's not in defense of Finley.


I lost patience for Finley when he got hurt and missed most of the season. Then in 2011 I said okay, he's dropping balls, this is new for him. Worried about contract? Worried about the coach saying he needs to play a full season? Fine, so be it. 2012, new contract and played 16 games, right? I have nothing left to answer for his poor play.

Aside from the easy catches he drops ... the thing that really doesn't sit with me is ... the drops AND his showboating after making a routine play. A 12 yard catch on 2nd down is not a pound your chest moment. It's something you are EXPECTED to do.


I can think of several other players more deserving of this money.

2/22/2012: Signed a two-year, $14 million contract. The deal included a $1 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives. Finley is eligible for $300,000 offseason workout bonuses in each season.
2012: $950,000 (+ $3.5 million roster bonus)
2013: $4.45 million (+ $3.5 million roster bonus due in March)
2014: Free Agent
play2win  
#18 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:37:47 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley have dropped five passes each. Where's the Jordy Nelson bashing?


I've heard this from a number of people I respect, and it is a legit argument, to a point. Talking about THIS year, and the equal number of drops. However, you 1. don't hear Jordy mouthing off, proclaiming himself to be the best player at his position, while degrading the accomplishments of those who actually are, and 2. you don't see Jordy's drops being an issue that has been 3 years in the making.

As to Finley's blocking: "Before departing with a shoulder injury early in the third quarter, Finley had another critical drop on a short pass that probably would have given the Packers a first down just into Colts territory with 1 minute left in the half. That was disappointing enough, but his blocking was even worse. On a toss, Finley was late off the ball and couldn't cut off LB Dwight Freeney at the point, which knocked the blocking askew and wrecked the play. On an 18-yard screen pass, Finley had a variety of opponents that he could have looked up and decked as Cedric Benson slammed for 18. Because Finley doesn't play like a tough guy, he really didn't block anyone. His blocking probably is getting worse. He also had a motion penalty." http://www.jsonline.com/...y-4975869-173231521.html

I've seen Finley make some great blocks this year, and I've seen him make some really weak efforts. I've also seen him make a few great catches, along with some really bad drops of catchable, important balls. To me, he is not earning his keep here. Add the PR mess that he is and as been for the Packers, and his continued harping on a lack of "chemistry" with his QB, and, yeah, his shit is wearing thin.

The Big Unit, at 1250am likes to point to Nelson quite often in defense of Finley, insinuating a racial bias. Maybe there is some of that with -some- fans. Not me. I don't go for that stuff. I'll direct attention to those two points I mentioned regarding Jermichael Finley, and his lack of production. That is what it is. A lack of production and I think a bit of immaturity adding to a lack of professionalism.

I would get rid of him. He seems like a cancer to the team. He is not putting up, and he is not shutting up. Get rid of him. I'd rather have a slightly slower, shorter player who makes plays with consistency at the TE position than a prima dona physical wonder who continually misses important assignments.

He can turn that around by becoming more reliable and more professional, but I think we have been saying something along those lines for the past 3 or 4 years.

He reminds me a bit of Javon Walker. A friend of mine sat next to Javon on a plane ride, and described him to be like that big beautiful blonde with the big tits... dumb - as - a - doorknob.
Zero2Cool  
#19 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:49:36 AM(UTC)
Again, I see people putting words in Finley's mouth based off what a journalist said, rather than his own words. This is why I hate reporters/journalists, etc ... they have no accountability at all.

An athlete will give two answers when asked about how's the best at their position. 1. Themselves (this is common) 2. They'll list off several who they HOPE to one day be mentioned in the same breath.

Like I said before, he's not worth the money, but he's not anywhere near as bad as some make him out to be. He's a talented player who is too open and choose words poorly and lacks professionalism on the field. He is not worth even $5 million a year, in my own personal ignorant opinion.
stevegb  
#20 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:58:41 AM(UTC)
I don't mind what Finley's saying too much, I'd prefer him not to say it but hes just saying he wants to play better and get more involved and that Arod and him should become better mates. It's not that big of a deal a bit immature but Finley's always had immaturity problems, AR's just gonna shrug it off anyway. Lets not read too far into this.
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